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Kitt · 09-23-2002, 07:13 PM

Buried within the new "No Child Left Behind Act" is a section (9258) titled "Armed Forces Recruiter Access to Students". There's a provision in the section, purposefully written in difficult to decipher gobblygook legalese, which provides for parents to opt-out of allowing the military recruiters to demand that schools turn over all junior and senior students personal records and information including phone and address, which is what military recruiters will be demanding the schools do. But unless parents are extremely careful readers and unless they even happen to read the one piece of mail that they'll recieve among the piles of junk mail they get each day they might not become aware that the schools are being required to release personal records to recruiters. If parents learn about it they still won't be able to opt-out by simply not agreeing to it. A choice to opt-in, if desired, should have been the wording in the provision. Parents will need to sue the government or lobby congress to repeal the new law or teenagers will have their personal records sent by their schools by order of The Department of Justice (DOJ) to military recruiters. If parents take issue with this new unconstutionally vague demand by the DOJ and if at least one parent does sue, and sets in motion a repeal of the law, the courts will, according to how they've ruled on the many of the other distortions of laws by the DOJ in the past year, rule against the military recruiters and the DOJ. Some of you might like to know what's going on with you or your childrens' personal records and information.

DarleneIllyria · 09-23-2002, 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by kittflynn
Buried within the new "No Child Left Behind Act" is a section (9258) titled "Armed Forces Recruiter Access to Students". There's a provision in the section, purposefully written in difficult to decipher gobblygook legalese, which provides for parents to opt-out of allowing the military recruiters to demand that schools turn over all junior and senior students personal records and information including phone and address, which is what military recruiters will be demanding the schools do. But unless parents are extremely careful readers and unless they even happen to read the one piece of mail that they'll recieve among the piles of junk mail they get each day they might not become aware that the schools are being required to release personal records to recruiters. If parents learn about it they still won't be able to opt-out by simply not agreeing to it. A choice to opt-in, if desired, should have been the wording in the provision. Parents will need to sue the government or lobby congress to repeal the new law or teenagers will have their personal records sent by their schools by order of The Department of Justice (DOJ) to military recruiters. If parents take issue with this new unconstutionally vague demand by the DOJ and if at least one parent does sue, and sets in motion a repeal of the law, the courts will, according to how they've ruled on the many of the other distortions of laws by the DOJ in the past year, rule against the military recruiters and the DOJ. Some of you might like to know what's going on with you or your childrens' personal records and information.

Yep. I remember back in 10th grade, all the sophomores had to take this military test. Nobody really gave a damn about the test to start with. Everybody just put down something for the test. Unfortunately, me being the dummy that I am put down my true phone number and address for the test.

BIG MISTAKE. All through my senior year, the recruiters kept calling my house wanting me to recruit. I wasn't at all interested. If I did join, it would be like a female Gomer Pyle joining the army. One week it could've been the army recruiters. Another week it could've been the navy. Each time, I would say no and they would still call back. Thankfully, they stopped after I graduated.

From your post Kitt, it kind of made me realize that even if I put down a fake phone # and fake address- they still would've called my house wanting me to recruit.

Thanks for posting it.

Janice · 09-23-2002, 10:30 PM

Big Brother is alive and well, and as usual, sticking his big fat nose where it doesn't belong--our private lives.

GoldenFamilyTies · 09-24-2002, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by JanLady617
Big Brother is alive and well, and as usual, sticking his big fat nose where it doesn't belong--our private lives.

I agree.

And, I think that they shouldn't release personal records to Army Recruiters, because I don't think too many people decide to be in the Army because of them...

Kitt · 09-24-2002, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by Jenny
I wasn't at all interested. If I did join, it would be like a female Gomer Pyle joining the army. One week it could've been the army recruiters. Another week it could've been the navy. Each time, I would say no and they would still call back. Thankfully, they stopped after I graduated.

From your post Kitt, it kind of made me realize that even if I put down a fake phone # and fake address- they still would've called my house wanting me to recruit.

Thanks for posting it.

Dear PFC Jenny Pyle:

No jenny, they wouldtn't have been calling you if you didn't give your phone number. Recruiters have always tried to get the word to high school kids but it wasn't until John Ashcroft, the attoney General since the Bush admininstration came into power, that the law was changed to the mandatory situation that I've written about here.

DarleneIllyria · 09-24-2002, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by kittflynn
Dear PFC Jenny Pyle:

LOL! I can already here SGT Carter yelling "MOVE IT! MOVE IT! MOVE IT!" lol

Kitt · 09-24-2002, 08:23 PM

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Originally posted by Jenny
LOL! I can already here SGT Carter yelling "MOVE IT! MOVE IT! MOVE IT!" lol

PYLE!

DarleneIllyria · 09-24-2002, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by kittflynn
PYLE!

Oh dear...I'm sensing the song coming up.

From the halls of Monterzumer to the shores of Tripoli (sp?) We fight our countries battles for the land and for the free.......

I better stop before I drive all the board members away. lol

vienna waits · 09-25-2002, 12:15 AM

Army who?

i made a funny.

Kitt · 09-25-2002, 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by tootieismyfav
Army who?
i made a funny.

Army and you gonna march to a different drummer?

Plata · 09-26-2002, 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by kittflynn
Buried within the new "No Child Left Behind Act" is a section (9258) titled "Armed Forces Recruiter Access to Students". There's a provision in the section, purposefully written in difficult to decipher gobblygook legalese, which provides for parents to opt-out of allowing the military recruiters to demand that schools turn over all junior and senior students personal records and information including phone and address, which is what military recruiters will be demanding the schools do. might not become aware that the schools are being required to release personal records to recruiters. If parents learn about it they still won't be able to opt-out by simply not agreeing to it. A choice to opt-in, if desired, should have been the wording in the provision. Parents will need to sue the government or lobby congress to repeal the new law or teenagers will have their personal records sent by their schools by order of The Department of Justice (DOJ) to military recruiters. If parents take issue with this new unconstutionally vague demand by the DOJ and if at least one parent does sue, and sets in motion a repeal of the law, the courts will, according to how they've ruled on the many of the other distortions of laws by the DOJ in the past year, rule against the military recruiters and the DOJ. Some of you might like to know what's going on with you or your childrens' personal records and information.

Whoa! I didn't know this was going on. Does this apply to different parts of the world or just the USA? 'Cause if this sort of thing is happening in Canada, too, there's no way I'm going to join the military or army and go to war. I'll skip town and disappear if I have to. I mean it!

Kitt · 09-26-2002, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by Plata
Whoa! I didn't know this was going on. Does this apply to different parts of the world or just the USA? 'Cause if this sort of thing is happening in Canada, too, there's no way I'm going to join the military or army and go to war. I'll skip town and disappear if I have to. I mean it!

Hold the phone, Plata. We Americans get to disappear to Canada in order to avoid stupid wars. You Canadians will have to find your own safe haven. Australia is nice; lots of surfing; the outback; kangaroos are cute.

But to clear things up for you, I'm talking about records being forcefully sent into recruiters. That doesn't mean the draft is back in vogue--yet. Lets keep our eyes and ears open, though, and our pens handy for writing to them who need to hear from us about such things so we can see to it that it doesn't progress to that stage.

09-23-2002, 07:13 PM	#1
Kitt James Dean Forum Veteran Join Date: Aug 16, 2001 Location: California Dreamin' Posts: 6,115	Knock, knock!...Who's there?...The Army! Buried within the new "No Child Left Behind Act" is a section (9258) titled "Armed Forces Recruiter Access to Students". There's a provision in the section, purposefully written in difficult to decipher gobblygook legalese, which provides for parents to opt-out of allowing the military recruiters to demand that schools turn over all junior and senior students personal records and information including phone and address, which is what military recruiters will be demanding the schools do. But unless parents are extremely careful readers and unless they even happen to read the one piece of mail that they'll recieve among the piles of junk mail they get each day they might not become aware that the schools are being required to release personal records to recruiters. If parents learn about it they still won't be able to opt-out by simply not agreeing to it. A choice to opt-in, if desired, should have been the wording in the provision. Parents will need to sue the government or lobby congress to repeal the new law or teenagers will have their personal records sent by their schools by order of The Department of Justice (DOJ) to military recruiters. If parents take issue with this new unconstutionally vague demand by the DOJ and if at least one parent does sue, and sets in motion a repeal of the law, the courts will, according to how they've ruled on the many of the other distortions of laws by the DOJ in the past year, rule against the military recruiters and the DOJ. Some of you might like to know what's going on with you or your childrens' personal records and information.

09-25-2002, 12:15 AM	#9
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09-23-2002, 10:30 PM	#3
Janice Retired Admin - Hollywood Swingin' Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 03, 2001 Location: Beantown Posts: 36,388	Big Brother is alive and well, and as usual, sticking his big fat nose where it doesn't belong--our private lives.