POLL: Guiltiest Spouse in UM History - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

SageSlowdive · 09-19-2023, 05:09 PM

Let's have some fun! UM has a good record with segments including interviewees that are being blamed for their spouse's death or disappearance. Which one is the guiltiest in your opinion?

I excluded people who admitted to be involved or were proven to be (ex. Elizabeth Oritz, Michael Haim)

Gelatinous Goo · 09-19-2023, 05:41 PM

Hard to truly pick one, as so many were tied. Went with Page. Page and Rizzo have to be at the very top for me.

ghosthouse · 09-19-2023, 08:15 PM

This is of course tough lol because I think many of these people are guilty.

But I went with Judy Groezinger because her alibi story is demonstratively untrue. Al Henderson's story is also untrue but Judy's proven lie puts her at the crime scene.

SageSlowdive · 09-19-2023, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ghosthouse

This is of course tough lol because I think many of these people are guilty.

But I went with Judy Groezinger because her alibi story is demonstratively untrue. Al Henderson's story is also untrue but Judy's proven lie puts her at the crime scene.

I ALMOST voted for Judy but I voted for Paul Pollis. I can't think of one good theory of her disappearing other than him causing it.

TheCars1986 · 09-20-2023, 07:29 AM

Good idea for a thread topic. This was a tough one. Right off the bat, I think it is possible that the following were/are innocent or not involved in their spouses disappearances:

-Al Henderson
-Don Sherman
-Paul Pollis
-Alfredo Newball

Everyone else on this list is guilty. Mark Nichols, Jim Harrison, Bob Hall, Steve Page, Leonard Rizzo, and Stephen Marfeo I believe murdered their spouses in a rage after a fight. I think Judy Groezinger helped kill her husband Mark so she could be with her lover. I think Larry Race concocted what he believed to be a masterful way to kill his wife so he could live the life of a playboy. That leaves Jule Caylor. That's who I voted for. Because I cannot come up with a rational reason as to why he (probably) killed Dottie and hid her body. He was putting out ads about renting the house where Dottie lived before she went missing. So his was clearly premeditated. And just his overall demeanor in the segment was chilling. At least everyone else on this list pretended to be innocent.

Janel "Jaycee" Miller · 09-20-2023, 10:02 AM

I would have to vote for Kristi Nichols' husband. If he really had something to do with her disappearance, then really gets under my skin when he asks her on camera to call.

Jon · 09-20-2023, 10:43 AM

I vote Steve Page. He was found financially liable for her death in civil court. Not the same burden of proof as a criminal conviction but it's the only one (that I know of) where a jury found that he killed his spouse

rusty spike · 09-20-2023, 12:07 PM

I voted for Mark Nichols.

Isn't this the guy who admitted to throwing his wife but she landed wrong and injured her hand/finger?

I'm still curious as to why he wasn't charged with domestic abuse based on his own words.

ghosthouse · 09-20-2023, 01:31 PM

Random Thoughts

Mark Nichols - I mean I think he did it but there is no evidence and they did find a note written by Kristi saying she was going to leave.

Larry Race - IDK the idea that he donned scuba gear and swam underwater and stabbed the raft and back again seems rather James Bond ish -- I can't believe that didn't put reasonable doubt in juror's minds.

Rene Perez - I think it's just as believable that his side action killed his wife and he wasn't aware of it or until after.

EighthStreet · 09-20-2023, 02:05 PM

Stephen Marfeo exists beyond a simple guilty-not guilty binary.

He is a known murderer.

WishfulDreamer · 09-20-2023, 02:10 PM

Shouldn't Rene Perez be listed as Alfredo Newball?

Other than that, great poll and a really tough pick. I did Stephen Marfeo, but if I could vote twice, Jim Harrison would get my other vote.

schmave · 09-21-2023, 12:37 AM

I had to think about it for a minute but Jule Caylor is my winner. He's simultaneously one of the most contemptible yet laughable interviewees in the entire series, and go figure he was in the very first Stack episode. That he could go on national television and actually carry himself with that "don't give a &*%^" attitude for the entire segment is almost admirable in a perverse sense if the case weren't so tragic.
And all of that said, I still think there's a slim chance Dottie could have just walked away from that life.
Al Henderson, Larry Race and Alfredo Newball weren't even considerations for me in this poll. And it's been so many years since I've seen the Groezinger case, thanks to its exclusion from FilmRise, that I couldn't vote for her.

SageSlowdive · 09-24-2023, 10:59 AM

I doubt Jule Caylor has ever won anything in his life...but he's winning this poll right now.

Killarney Rose · 09-24-2023, 11:17 AM

It’s a hard decision between Jule Caylor and Paul Pollis

schmave · 09-24-2023, 01:42 PM

The only reason I didn't vote for Paul Pollis is part of me actually felt sorry for him having to deal with that mother-in-law.

View Poll Results: Guiltiest UM Spouse
Mark Nichols	7	17.50%
Judy Groezinger	6	15.00%
Jule Caylor	8	20.00%
Jim Harrison	2	5.00%
Al Henderson	0	0%
Stephen Marfeo	6	15.00%
Bob Hall	0	0%
Paul Pollis	4	10.00%
Steve Page	3	7.50%
Don Sherman	0	0%
Leonard Rizzo	4	10.00%
Larry Race	0	0%
Alfredo Newball	0	0%
Voters: 40. You may not vote on this poll

09-19-2023, 05:09 PM	#1
SageSlowdive the real hank queen Forum Regular Join Date: Feb 10, 2010 Posts: 659	POLL: Guiltiest Spouse in UM History Let's have some fun! UM has a good record with segments including interviewees that are being blamed for their spouse's death or disappearance. Which one is the guiltiest in your opinion? I excluded people who admitted to be involved or were proven to be (ex. Elizabeth Oritz, Michael Haim)

09-20-2023, 07:29 AM	#5
TheCars1986 #VLSKMS Forum Fanatic Join Date: Nov 22, 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 8,605	Good idea for a thread topic. This was a tough one. Right off the bat, I think it is possible that the following were/are innocent or not involved in their spouses disappearances: -Al Henderson -Don Sherman -Paul Pollis -Alfredo Newball Everyone else on this list is guilty. Mark Nichols, Jim Harrison, Bob Hall, Steve Page, Leonard Rizzo, and Stephen Marfeo I believe murdered their spouses in a rage after a fight. I think Judy Groezinger helped kill her husband Mark so she could be with her lover. I think Larry Race concocted what he believed to be a masterful way to kill his wife so he could live the life of a playboy. That leaves Jule Caylor. That's who I voted for. Because I cannot come up with a rational reason as to why he (probably) killed Dottie and hid her body. He was putting out ads about renting the house where Dottie lived before she went missing. So his was clearly premeditated. And just his overall demeanor in the segment was chilling. At least everyone else on this list pretended to be innocent.
	Last edited by TheCars1986; 10-23-2023 at 07:10 AM.

09-21-2023, 12:37 AM	#12
schmave Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 23, 2013 Location: Reynoldsburg, Ohio Posts: 653	I had to think about it for a minute but Jule Caylor is my winner. He's simultaneously one of the most contemptible yet laughable interviewees in the entire series, and go figure he was in the very first Stack episode. That he could go on national television and actually carry himself with that "don't give a &*%^" attitude for the entire segment is almost admirable in a perverse sense if the case weren't so tragic. And all of that said, I still think there's a slim chance Dottie could have just walked away from that life. Al Henderson, Larry Race and Alfredo Newball weren't even considerations for me in this poll. And it's been so many years since I've seen the Groezinger case, thanks to its exclusion from FilmRise, that I couldn't vote for her.
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09-19-2023, 05:41 PM	#2
Gelatinous Goo Member Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 14, 2010 Posts: 573	Hard to truly pick one, as so many were tied. Went with Page. Page and Rizzo have to be at the very top for me.

09-19-2023, 08:15 PM	#3
ghosthouse Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Dec 03, 2019 Location: Amish Country Posts: 298	This is of course tough lol because I think many of these people are guilty. But I went with Judy Groezinger because her alibi story is demonstratively untrue. Al Henderson's story is also untrue but Judy's proven lie puts her at the crime scene.

09-20-2023, 10:02 AM	#6
Janel "Jaycee" Miller Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 19, 2010 Location: South Jersey Posts: 408	I would have to vote for Kristi Nichols' husband. If he really had something to do with her disappearance, then really gets under my skin when he asks her on camera to call.

09-20-2023, 10:43 AM	#7
Jon Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 22, 2011 Location: TX Posts: 926	I vote Steve Page. He was found financially liable for her death in civil court. Not the same burden of proof as a criminal conviction but it's the only one (that I know of) where a jury found that he killed his spouse

09-20-2023, 12:07 PM	#8
rusty spike Member Senior Member Join Date: Mar 08, 2015 Location: Southwest Posts: 1,124	I voted for Mark Nichols. Isn't this the guy who admitted to throwing his wife but she landed wrong and injured her hand/finger? I'm still curious as to why he wasn't charged with domestic abuse based on his own words.

09-20-2023, 01:31 PM	#9
ghosthouse Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Dec 03, 2019 Location: Amish Country Posts: 298	Random Thoughts Mark Nichols - I mean I think he did it but there is no evidence and they did find a note written by Kristi saying she was going to leave. Larry Race - IDK the idea that he donned scuba gear and swam underwater and stabbed the raft and back again seems rather James Bond ish -- I can't believe that didn't put reasonable doubt in juror's minds. Rene Perez - I think it's just as believable that his side action killed his wife and he wasn't aware of it or until after.

09-20-2023, 02:05 PM	#10
EighthStreet Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 09, 2014 Location: Michigan Posts: 266	Stephen Marfeo exists beyond a simple guilty-not guilty binary. He is a known murderer.

09-20-2023, 02:10 PM	#11
WishfulDreamer Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 01, 2009 Location: L.A. Posts: 3,867	Shouldn't Rene Perez be listed as Alfredo Newball? Other than that, great poll and a really tough pick. I did Stephen Marfeo, but if I could vote twice, Jim Harrison would get my other vote.

09-24-2023, 10:59 AM	#13
SageSlowdive the real hank queen Forum Regular Join Date: Feb 10, 2010 Posts: 659	I doubt Jule Caylor has ever won anything in his life...but he's winning this poll right now.

09-24-2023, 11:17 AM	#14
Killarney Rose Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 24, 2010 Location: AL Posts: 656	It’s a hard decision between Jule Caylor and Paul Pollis

09-24-2023, 01:42 PM	#15
schmave Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 23, 2013 Location: Reynoldsburg, Ohio Posts: 653	The only reason I didn't vote for Paul Pollis is part of me actually felt sorry for him having to deal with that mother-in-law.