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TVFactFan · 08-18-2002, 02:35 AM

i never understood why the second vivian was on the frwh prince-the show went down hill from there-does anyone know why the 1st vivian left?

isiahthomas · 08-21-2002, 03:12 PM

I don't know why the first Vivian left the show but i saw her on a recent Kool Aid commercial with gray hair. I also saw her on a episode of Jamie Foxx show once as a casting director who was coming on to Jamie. The 2nd Vivian was boring. She's married to Tim Reid in real life. Tim Reid played on WKRP In Cincinnati.

danielle black · 08-24-2002, 09:15 PM

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Originally posted by SOLOMON
i never understood why the second vivian was on the frwh prince-the show went down hill from there-does anyone know why the 1st vivian left?

i dunno why she left, but the second one didn't do it for me either. vivian #1 had "it".

DJM77 · 08-24-2002, 09:51 PM

I remember hearing that the first Vivian (Janet Hubert-Whitten) didn't get along with Will Smith. I don't know the exact reason why she left the series but I think that had something to do with it.

JethroSimpson · 09-04-2002, 01:56 PM

It says on IMDB that the first Vivian actress was preganant and fired from the show.

I think the 2nd Vivian was good, the first one over acted at times.

TVFactFan · 09-04-2002, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by JethroSimpson
It says on IMDB that the first Vivian actress was preganant and fired from the show.

I think the 2nd Vivian was good, the first one over acted at times.

The second vivian character was goofy which is unclear because the first vivian was no where near goofy. The second vivian was almost like sinclair from living single-who was also goofy

tvje · 09-09-2002, 08:28 PM

I don't know. But I always though the second one better complemented James Avery. When the kids got in trouble the second kept her compotal more than the first one. And Phillip and Vivian did a good cop bad cop the last three seasons. I don't know which one is better. I think it is mote because all of the other characters exept for Nicky was funnier than either Vivian.

But the second one was a better complement to James Avery in my opinion.

TVFactFan · 09-09-2002, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by tvje
I don't know. But I always though the second one better complemented James Avery. When the kids got in trouble the second kept her compotal more than the first one. And Phillip and Vivian did a good cop bad cop the last three seasons. I don't know which one is better. I think it is mote because all of the other characters exept for Nicky was funnier than either Vivian.

But the second one was a better complement to James Avery in my opinion.

I still feel that the second vivian was a little to goofy to be playing the mother role-the first vivian was not goofy at all.

JethroSimpson · 09-10-2002, 01:36 PM

One of the things I've noticed in some episodes with the first vivivan is they when her sisters would appear they would give them long scenes to do on there own and I don't think that worked.

They stopped doing that with the second one.

ThomasE · 09-23-2002, 11:49 PM

She was good to me. I liked Janet but I like Dahpne Maxwell Reid. It's not easy to take over the role that another actor has established, and Daphne did not try to duplicate Janet's version
but had a unique style of her own. When I think of Aunt Vivian, I see Ms. Reid.
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Cashodeen · 02-19-2003, 05:42 AM

I don't know if I entirely believe that Janet was fired because she was pregnant. If that was true they probably could have let her go immediately even if she was under contract. (because maybe becoming pregnant broke the contract) But she remained on and they wrote in the story of Nicky. Now, if they did fire her because of the pregnancy but let her stay until her contract ran out or something maybe that makes sense. But by then the "damage" was done. Nicky was written in and she wasn't pregnant anymore. So why let her go then? I think there was more to this than meets the eye. I imagine it was ultimately problems between her and Will. (Pregnancy might just have happened to be one of the problems.)

That aside, my vote goes for Janet Hubert without a doubt. I thought #2 stunk in the role. I probably would not have liked anyone taking Janet's place, but couldn't they have found someone more sutible? With the change of Vivian, there was a personality change, a big one. The whole time watching #2, I felt I was watching Phil's new wife because he got divorced to the REAL Vivian when the viewers weren't looking.

danielle black · 02-19-2003, 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by Cashodeen
The whole time watching #2, I felt I was watching Phil's new wife because he got divorced to the REAL Vivian when the viewers weren't looking.

lol, i never thought of it that way, but it fits better than just easing her in the role like no one would notice.

Mr. Stefani · 02-19-2003, 05:12 PM

I liked the second one better.

ThomasE · 02-21-2003, 01:26 AM

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Originally posted by Nirvana
I liked the second one better.

I like the second one also. No matter what is said, I don't think the shoe went downhill because of her. I mean the show had both actresses do role role for 3 years each. My favorite eps are with Daphne Maxwell-Reid.

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I don't know. But I always though the second one better complemented James Avery. When the kids got in trouble the second kept her compotal more than the first one. And Phillip and Vivian did a good cop bad cop the last three seasons. I don't know which one is better. I think it is mote because all of the other characters exept for Nicky was funnier than either Vivian.

But the second one was a better complement to James Avery in my opinion.
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hughpuppies · 01-16-2004, 10:45 AM

How come the first mother was sort of a tough mother who stood her ground and was very firm with a big mouth, I mean who knew how to use her mouth to get what she wanted. The scond mother was more quiet, was not touch did not stand her ground.

Why did they make both mother have completely different personalities?

09-04-2002, 01:56 PM	#5
JethroSimpson Member Senior Member Join Date: Aug 01, 2001 Location: England,UK Posts: 1,080	It says on IMDB that the first Vivian actress was preganant and fired from the show. I think the 2nd Vivian was good, the first one over acted at times.
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09-09-2002, 08:28 PM	#7
tvje Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 26, 2002 Posts: 1,402	I don't know. But I always though the second one better complemented James Avery. When the kids got in trouble the second kept her compotal more than the first one. And Phillip and Vivian did a good cop bad cop the last three seasons. I don't know which one is better. I think it is mote because all of the other characters exept for Nicky was funnier than either Vivian. But the second one was a better complement to James Avery in my opinion.
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09-23-2002, 11:49 PM	#10
ThomasE Member Moderator Forum Fanatic Join Date: Apr 04, 2000 Location: New York, New York, U.S.A. Posts: 10,857	Mrs. Maxwell Reid She was good to me. I liked Janet but I like Dahpne Maxwell Reid. It's not easy to take over the role that another actor has established, and Daphne did not try to duplicate Janet's version but had a unique style of her own. When I think of Aunt Vivian, I see Ms. Reid. --------------------- The Cookie Carlton: What do you say to an Oreo? Will: I say "What's up, Carlton?"

08-18-2002, 02:35 AM	#1
TVFactFan Member Forum Junkie Join Date: Aug 17, 2002 Posts: 99,057	The second vivian was horrible i never understood why the second vivian was on the frwh prince-the show went down hill from there-does anyone know why the 1st vivian left?

08-21-2002, 03:12 PM	#2
isiahthomas Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Aug 20, 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 10,704	I don't know why the first Vivian left the show but i saw her on a recent Kool Aid commercial with gray hair. I also saw her on a episode of Jamie Foxx show once as a casting director who was coming on to Jamie. The 2nd Vivian was boring. She's married to Tim Reid in real life. Tim Reid played on WKRP In Cincinnati.

08-24-2002, 09:51 PM	#4
DJM77 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: May 15, 2001 Location: Missouri Posts: 5,563	I remember hearing that the first Vivian (Janet Hubert-Whitten) didn't get along with Will Smith. I don't know the exact reason why she left the series but I think that had something to do with it.

09-10-2002, 01:36 PM	#9
JethroSimpson Member Senior Member Join Date: Aug 01, 2001 Location: England,UK Posts: 1,080	One of the things I've noticed in some episodes with the first vivivan is they when her sisters would appear they would give them long scenes to do on there own and I don't think that worked. They stopped doing that with the second one.

02-19-2003, 05:42 AM	#11
Cashodeen Hi. Forum Star Join Date: Aug 30, 2001 Posts: 11,363	I don't know if I entirely believe that Janet was fired because she was pregnant. If that was true they probably could have let her go immediately even if she was under contract. (because maybe becoming pregnant broke the contract) But she remained on and they wrote in the story of Nicky. Now, if they did fire her because of the pregnancy but let her stay until her contract ran out or something maybe that makes sense. But by then the "damage" was done. Nicky was written in and she wasn't pregnant anymore. So why let her go then? I think there was more to this than meets the eye. I imagine it was ultimately problems between her and Will. (Pregnancy might just have happened to be one of the problems.) That aside, my vote goes for Janet Hubert without a doubt. I thought #2 stunk in the role. I probably would not have liked anyone taking Janet's place, but couldn't they have found someone more sutible? With the change of Vivian, there was a personality change, a big one. The whole time watching #2, I felt I was watching Phil's new wife because he got divorced to the REAL Vivian when the viewers weren't looking.

02-19-2003, 05:12 PM	#13
Mr. Stefani Member Forum Celebrity Join Date: Jul 15, 2001 Posts: 20,757	I liked the second one better.

01-16-2004, 10:45 AM	#15
hughpuppies Melanie Bernhardt Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 13, 2004 Location: wished I was with the lady in the above picture Posts: 705	How come the first mother was sort of a tough mother who stood her ground and was very firm with a big mouth, I mean who knew how to use her mouth to get what she wanted. The scond mother was more quiet, was not touch did not stand her ground. Why did they make both mother have completely different personalities?