U.S. History of Pledge of Allegiance

[Caroline13]

https://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm

All my life of pledging the allegiance, I never realized how Republic is used mostly. So many go on about we are losing our democracy and that is NOT SO.

We are losing more liberties and justice as stated in the Pledge.

It took me over 80 yrs to know this about the Pledge. To STOP and truly listen to what I've been saying.

And I'm not alone.

[Yong Fang]

I went to a small private school for elementary school and had to stand up and say the Pledge of Allegiance every morning before the start of the class day. I left that school in 1979 after sixth grade and never said it again. Reading this post today, I had to think to remember the whole thing. I still dont know what the hell "indevisable" means, ot whatever the word is. I just said it so the psychotic Catholic headmaster wouldnt beat my ass.

I for one disagree with having to "pledge an allegiance" to a flag, or to a country for that matter. I am not loyal to the United States. The United States is a country, ran by a fairly corrupt government, but it enshrined by mostly good human rights. God knows there are much worse places to live on Earth where even speaking out against the government can get one imprisoned if not killed. But totalitarian countries also make their people and children worship the flag too. Or going to a sports event and having to stand up before a game to hear someone sing the song. I mean, I am here to watch a game and not participate in a "I love America" pep rally. Would be nice to sit but everyone would give the sitter the "stink eye" and the "how dare you!' routine, "My grandfather died in the rice patties of Vietnam so you can sit at this baseball game sitting on your ass eating a corn dog." OK.

My problem and concern however is that we are slowly but very surely losing our rights to free speech and criticism, ironically from "social media platforms" with a mostly leftist, anti family, pro sexual perversion agenda. Go against them and be banned. Or losing one's job for one's legal activity on one's own time. I, like everyone else, have a right to my voice and my opinions. It's not the Communists who will take away my and your rights. This will come from billionaires, corporations and sex perverts and their misguided pride.

[Caroline13]

I have no issues with the Pledge and happy that I'm an American. My country has been good to me and me to it.

[GentlemanJim]

Originally Posted by Yong Fang

My problem and concern however is that we are slowly but very surely losing our rights to free speech and criticism, ironically from "social media platforms" with a mostly leftist, anti family, pro sexual perversion agenda. Go against them and be banned. .

+1 on all that.
It amazes (confounds might be more accurate) me how all the splinters insist it's their right to express their preference, yet at the same time I ostensibly have no right to express contrary opinion.

I've certainly been to blame for my share of degenerate behavior, but I never marched down main street proclaiming "I'm degenerate, so kiss my hand and tell me I belong"

It's the affrontive and confrontational nature of their insistence that the tail must wag the dog that I have exception to.

Indivisible, with liberty and justice FOR ALL....indeed

[Caroline13]

On this great U.S. where most of us were hatched and live, one of my favorite radio stations plays the National Anthem when they start their program and they do this for 2 out of the 5 days.

I know some here and other forums badmouth this country and except for the last 3 yrs I have no complaints...

[GentlemanJim]

Well Caroline, I suppose there are some who might point out that the pledge of allegiance contains no obligation that the nation might reciprocate? Personally I don't think that things were too bad up until the Soviet Union collapsed. Up to that point. the struggle to keep the red menace in check seemed to occupy our government's "spare" time.
But, once we were the uncontested "big dawg" on the planet, that gave them the opportunity to turn their interests inward. That's when our police forces became militarized, the prisons started filling up, and our government started waging "war" against it's own subjects...

I could rant for paragraphs, but the short version is that I used to believe there as an official code of ethical conduct, where doing "the right thing" was paramount.

In retrospect, I'm now pretty convinced that I was just naive to believe that

[Caroline13]

Originally Posted by GentlemanJim

Well Caroline, I suppose there are some who might point out that the pledge of allegiance contains no obligation that the nation might reciprocate? Personally I don't think that things were too bad up until the Soviet Union collapsed. Up to that point. the struggle to keep the red menace in check seemed to occupy our government's "spare" time.
But, once we were the uncontested "big dawg" on the planet, that gave them the opportunity to turn their interests inward. That's when our police forces became militarized, the prisons started filling up, and our government started waging "war" against it's own subjects...

I could rant for paragraphs, but the short version is that I used to believe there as an official code of ethical conduct, where doing "the right thing" was paramount.

In retrospect, I'm now pretty convinced that I was just naive to believe that

Hey GJ, thanks for your history story. You are good at stories....And Yep I like the Pledge just because...

[Caroline13]

Originally Posted by Yong Fang

I went to a small private school for elementary school and had to stand up and say the Pledge of Allegiance every morning before the start of the class day. I left that school in 1979 after sixth grade and never said it again. Reading this post today, I had to think to remember the whole thing. I still dont know what the hell "indevisable" means, ot whatever the word is. I just said it so the psychotic Catholic headmaster wouldnt beat my ass.

I for one disagree with having to "pledge an allegiance" to a flag, or to a country for that matter. I am not loyal to the United States. The United States is a country, ran by a fairly corrupt government, but it enshrined by mostly good human rights. God knows there are much worse places to live on Earth where even speaking out against the government can get one imprisoned if not killed. But totalitarian countries also make their people and children worship the flag too. Or going to a sports event and having to stand up before a game to hear someone sing the song. I mean, I am here to watch a game and not participate in a "I love America" pep rally. Would be nice to sit but everyone would give the sitter the "stink eye" and the "how dare you!' routine, "My grandfather died in the rice patties of Vietnam so you can sit at this baseball game sitting on your ass eating a corn dog." OK.

My problem and concern however is that we are slowly but very surely losing our rights to free speech and criticism, ironically from "social media platforms" with a mostly leftist, anti family, pro sexual perversion agenda. Go against them and be banned. Or losing one's job for one's legal activity on one's own time. I, like everyone else, have a right to my voice and my opinions. It's not the Communists who will take away my and your rights. This will come from billionaires, corporations and sex perverts and their misguided pride.

I agree and disagree with what you are saying here. One does not have to pledge the allegiance and we know many do refuse in public venues...itr's a choice that I choose to do.

And as far as losing our liberities it is happening more and more. So many are involved in all this.