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10-01-2001, 06:08 AM

Did anyone notice when Archie found out about Mikes friend not serving , they over dubbed Archie saying ,"God Damn war", ! He REALLY looked upset during that scene. I wonder if it had somthing personally to do with him??

10-01-2001, 12:55 PM

Out of all the episodes, I've never seen Archie blow his stack like he did in that one

dcarus · 10-01-2001, 02:17 PM

Definitely my favorite Archie moment from AITF.

Robert Tilton · 10-03-2001, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by taviz:
Did anyone notice when Archie found out about Mikes friend not serving , they over dubbed Archie saying ,"God Damn war", ! He REALLY looked upset during that scene. I wonder if it had somthing personally to do with him??

I've always wondered if he broke character in that scene; he was really intense.

dcarus · 10-04-2001, 09:04 AM

He did break character, he put his heart into that moment like no other time, he was very much a liberal person in reality and I do believe he opposed the war personally, so that end of it was the acting. However, he put his true emotions about the war which, like all of us when it comes to Vietnam, is sadness for those who lost their lives for their country. Whether you supported the war or not the one thing that was constant was the sadness for the loss of American life to the Vietnam War. Believe me, Carroll expressed that tremendous sadness for the entire country, which can turn into anger and rage after awhile, in that scene. In my opinion, it was the single most memorable TV moment in history and only Carroll could have given us that moment at that time, it was perfection.

10-04-2001, 02:31 PM

I guess the Vietnam War could be taken like this war were PRESENTLY in with the terrorists

dcarus · 10-05-2001, 09:11 AM

corwayn2:
Let's hope when this is all over that we do not have the same result (from an American standpoint) we did during and after the Vietnam War. I think that would be disastrous for this world.

dcarus · 12-10-2001, 01:08 AM

Nick at Nite has aired The Draft Dodger. Yet another revisiting of
one of the great performaces in television history by Carroll. I
hope everyone here got to watch it and taped it if they hadn't
already and most importantly I hope all who watched fully grasped how magnificent Archie was in it. Please, if there is one more thing you wanted to remember Carroll for, remember him for the performance that just aired.

°Bubbly Blonde° · 12-10-2001, 08:20 PM

It scared me a little when he got reaaallly mad. I thought his head was going to explode in that ep! that was really a great performance though

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Brad Russ · 02-27-2002, 07:42 AM

That scene was the most intense and emotional one I have ever seen. And I to noticed immediately after watching it that his emotions were real. I have watched that scene over and over because it always touches me so deeply. And you can just sense the tension throughout everyone around the table as well as the audience. I liked the end where they showed the wreath with peace written on it hanging on the door. What a beautiful message.

Brad Russ · 03-06-2002, 04:48 AM

I was just on the imdb website reading a mini biography of Carroll O'connor. It turns out he was in the Military. He worked on ships in the Merchant Marines in 1943 I believe. So that probably was a huge reason for all the emotions that he showed in The Draft Dodger episode.

Jack1000 · 03-06-2013, 02:14 AM

I have a question about The Draft Dodger episode. Simply titled when Mike invites a Draft Dodger for dinner. I heard that the original airing of the episode had a powerful line said by Archie on the war that was over dubbed for its power. However, in syndication that line is edited and I also heard it is edited on the DVD. Can anyone confirm this?

Jack

dcarus · 03-08-2013, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack1000

I have a question about The Draft Dodger episode. Simply titled when Mike invites a Draft Dodger for dinner. I heard that the original airing of the episode had a powerful line said by Archie on the war that was over dubbed for its power. However, in syndication that line is edited and I also heard it is edited on the DVD. Can anyone confirm this?

Jack

Yes Archie stated he "didn't want to talk about that God Damn war anymore." This was overdubbed to "rotten damn war."

Vahan · 03-08-2013, 03:13 PM

I heard the dubbed line was how it originally aired.

Mr. Drucker · 03-11-2013, 11:24 AM

Was "All in the Family" also first at saying "hell" or was that just a first for sitcoms?

10-01-2001, 06:08 AM	#1
taviz Guest Posts: n/a	Draft Dodger episode Did anyone notice when Archie found out about Mikes friend not serving , they over dubbed Archie saying ,"God Damn war", ! He REALLY looked upset during that scene. I wonder if it had somthing personally to do with him??
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10-01-2001, 12:55 PM	#2
corwayn2 Guest Posts: n/a	Out of all the episodes, I've never seen Archie blow his stack like he did in that one
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10-04-2001, 02:31 PM	#6
corwayn2 Guest Posts: n/a	I guess the Vietnam War could be taken like this war were PRESENTLY in with the terrorists
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02-27-2002, 07:42 AM	#10
Brad Russ Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Feb 17, 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 10,085	That scene was the most intense and emotional one I have ever seen. And I to noticed immediately after watching it that his emotions were real. I have watched that scene over and over because it always touches me so deeply. And you can just sense the tension throughout everyone around the table as well as the audience. I liked the end where they showed the wreath with peace written on it hanging on the door. What a beautiful message.
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10-01-2001, 02:17 PM	#3
dcarus Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Apr 20, 2001 Location: Jersey City, New Jersey, USA Posts: 90	Definitely my favorite Archie moment from AITF.

10-04-2001, 09:04 AM	#5
dcarus Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Apr 20, 2001 Location: Jersey City, New Jersey, USA Posts: 90	He did break character, he put his heart into that moment like no other time, he was very much a liberal person in reality and I do believe he opposed the war personally, so that end of it was the acting. However, he put his true emotions about the war which, like all of us when it comes to Vietnam, is sadness for those who lost their lives for their country. Whether you supported the war or not the one thing that was constant was the sadness for the loss of American life to the Vietnam War. Believe me, Carroll expressed that tremendous sadness for the entire country, which can turn into anger and rage after awhile, in that scene. In my opinion, it was the single most memorable TV moment in history and only Carroll could have given us that moment at that time, it was perfection.

10-05-2001, 09:11 AM	#7
dcarus Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Apr 20, 2001 Location: Jersey City, New Jersey, USA Posts: 90	corwayn2: Let's hope when this is all over that we do not have the same result (from an American standpoint) we did during and after the Vietnam War. I think that would be disastrous for this world.

12-10-2001, 01:08 AM	#8
dcarus Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Apr 20, 2001 Location: Jersey City, New Jersey, USA Posts: 90	Nick at Nite has aired The Draft Dodger. Yet another revisiting of one of the great performaces in television history by Carroll. I hope everyone here got to watch it and taped it if they hadn't already and most importantly I hope all who watched fully grasped how magnificent Archie was in it. Please, if there is one more thing you wanted to remember Carroll for, remember him for the performance that just aired.

12-10-2001, 08:20 PM	#9
°Bubbly Blonde° <3 Forum Veteran Join Date: Nov 25, 2001 Location: Playboy Mansion Posts: 5,876	It scared me a little when he got reaaallly mad. I thought his head was going to explode in that ep! that was really a great performance though ------------------------------------------------------------- we need a resolution we need a resolution we need a resolution we have so much confusion~aaliyah (1979-2001 )

03-06-2002, 04:48 AM	#11
Brad Russ Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Feb 17, 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 10,085	I was just on the imdb website reading a mini biography of Carroll O'connor. It turns out he was in the Military. He worked on ships in the Merchant Marines in 1943 I believe. So that probably was a huge reason for all the emotions that he showed in The Draft Dodger episode.

03-06-2013, 02:14 AM	#12
Jack1000 Member Senior Member Join Date: Dec 05, 2001 Posts: 2,055	I have a question about The Draft Dodger episode. Simply titled when Mike invites a Draft Dodger for dinner. I heard that the original airing of the episode had a powerful line said by Archie on the war that was over dubbed for its power. However, in syndication that line is edited and I also heard it is edited on the DVD. Can anyone confirm this? Jack

03-08-2013, 03:13 PM	#14
Vahan Member Senior Member Join Date: Jan 14, 2008 Posts: 2,712	I heard the dubbed line was how it originally aired.

03-11-2013, 11:24 AM	#15
Mr. Drucker Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 28, 2013 Location: Lynn,MA Posts: 325	Was "All in the Family" also first at saying "hell" or was that just a first for sitcoms?