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Tighthead · 01-19-2021, 05:36 PM

Per DNA Doe Project. No names at this time, they will be providing updates.

This was always a pet case for me. Seemed so sad, so solvable. Will be interesting to learn the details.

https://twitter.com/dnadoeproject/st...659508737?s=21

Cori aka ChrisSCrush · 01-19-2021, 06:05 PM

Very strange that this wasn't solved long ago.

https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com...er_County_Does

Any word on whether this was solved with a CODIS database? Perhaps some other unidentified victims could be identified the same way.

Labonte18 · 01-19-2021, 07:11 PM

Didn't they think the two people murdered were Canadian or otherwise foreign tourists?

ScaryFog · 01-20-2021, 12:46 AM

Great news. Looking forward to finding out more details soon.

Barbaro · 01-20-2021, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Labonte18

Didn't they think the two people murdered were Canadian or otherwise foreign tourists?

Both were American. He was from Pennsylvania, she was from Wisconsin.

TheCars1986 · 01-20-2021, 09:08 AM

They found the murder weapon in 1977. I've always been amazed that this has never been solved.

ScaryFog · 01-20-2021, 08:54 PM

https://www.facebook.com/Unidentifie...6866450592219/

Announcement �� - IDENTIFIED - ✨ After 45 years details will be revealed. Press conference scheduled for Thursday, January 21 at 2 pm Eastern time ✨ - The Sumter County Does, also known as Jock Doe and Jane Doe, two unidentified homicide victims found in Sumter County, South Carolina on August 9, 1976.

ScaryFog · 01-21-2021, 03:40 PM

The two victims in this case have been identified as James Freund of Lancaster, Pennsylvania, and Pamela Buckley of Colorado Springs, Colorado. These are their most recent places of residence prior to them being found in Sumter County.

Link to the press conference.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/...atch_permalink

ScaryFog · 01-21-2021, 05:48 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/DnaDoePro...58367629553665

Cori aka ChrisSCrush · 01-21-2021, 08:46 PM

Did no one miss these people or was anyone looking for them? Did they run off together and both families disowned them?

ScaryFog · 01-21-2021, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cori aka ChrisSCrush

Did no one miss these people or was anyone looking for them? Did they run off together and both families disowned them?

It doesn’t appear that anyone was looking for the male. His name was James Paul Freund and he had a ring with the initials JPF engraved on it. If you knew him, but wasn’t totally sure about the drawing, how could the initials on the ring not convince you that it could be him?

ghosthouse · 01-21-2021, 10:31 PM

Holy smokes...i live in Lancaster Pa. And we just had the Christy Mirack case solved recently as well.

I knew a girl in school with the last name Freund...wonder if they were related.

mozartpc27 · 01-21-2021, 10:31 PM

Wow, glad to see these two finally IDed. Sadly it looks like one of those situations where knowing who they are won't shed much, if any, light on why they were where they were or who did this to them.

Also Pamela, it turns out, was from Colorado by way of Minnesota, not Wisconsin.

Tighthead · 01-21-2021, 10:53 PM

Looks like her family reported he missing. It was only entered into NAMUS in the last year or so.

He may not have had much family. His father had died, and I read he was an only child. He had filed for divorce before he disappeared, he called someone in Lancaster on December 25 1975.

It wasn’t unheard of back then for people to just take off. Many families had someone who had taken off to travel, maybe with vague plans to head to California or something. I think they were likely both people who got married to young and weren’t ready for square life.

cordwainer1453 · 01-22-2021, 02:32 AM

The whole "jock, son of a Canadian doctor" thing turned out to be wrong, huh? I we have learned anything from UM, it's that eyewitness testimony is unreliable.

01-19-2021, 05:36 PM	#1
Tighthead Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 15, 2006 Posts: 199	Sumter County Does Identified Per DNA Doe Project. No names at this time, they will be providing updates. This was always a pet case for me. Seemed so sad, so solvable. Will be interesting to learn the details. https://twitter.com/dnadoeproject/st...659508737?s=21

01-21-2021, 10:31 PM	#13
mozartpc27 Vigilante Logician Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 09, 2006 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 924	Wow, glad to see these two finally IDed. Sadly it looks like one of those situations where knowing who they are won't shed much, if any, light on why they were where they were or who did this to them. Also Pamela, it turns out, was from Colorado by way of Minnesota, not Wisconsin.
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01-19-2021, 06:05 PM	#2
Cori aka ChrisSCrush Member Senior Member Join Date: Dec 30, 2001 Location: USA and still trying to be proud of it! Posts: 2,068	Very strange that this wasn't solved long ago. https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com...er_County_Does Any word on whether this was solved with a CODIS database? Perhaps some other unidentified victims could be identified the same way.

01-19-2021, 07:11 PM	#3
Labonte18 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 28, 2018 Posts: 901	Didn't they think the two people murdered were Canadian or otherwise foreign tourists?

01-20-2021, 12:46 AM	#4
ScaryFog Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 25, 2009 Posts: 222	Great news. Looking forward to finding out more details soon.

01-20-2021, 09:08 AM	#6
TheCars1986 #VLSKMS Forum Fanatic Join Date: Nov 22, 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 8,611	They found the murder weapon in 1977. I've always been amazed that this has never been solved.

01-20-2021, 08:54 PM	#7
ScaryFog Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 25, 2009 Posts: 222	https://www.facebook.com/Unidentifie...6866450592219/ Announcement �� - IDENTIFIED - ✨ After 45 years details will be revealed. Press conference scheduled for Thursday, January 21 at 2 pm Eastern time ✨ - The Sumter County Does, also known as Jock Doe and Jane Doe, two unidentified homicide victims found in Sumter County, South Carolina on August 9, 1976.

01-21-2021, 03:40 PM	#8
ScaryFog Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 25, 2009 Posts: 222	The two victims in this case have been identified as James Freund of Lancaster, Pennsylvania, and Pamela Buckley of Colorado Springs, Colorado. These are their most recent places of residence prior to them being found in Sumter County. Link to the press conference. https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/...atch_permalink

01-21-2021, 05:48 PM	#9
ScaryFog Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 25, 2009 Posts: 222	https://mobile.twitter.com/DnaDoePro...58367629553665

01-21-2021, 08:46 PM	#10
Cori aka ChrisSCrush Member Senior Member Join Date: Dec 30, 2001 Location: USA and still trying to be proud of it! Posts: 2,068	Did no one miss these people or was anyone looking for them? Did they run off together and both families disowned them?

01-21-2021, 10:31 PM	#12
ghosthouse Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Dec 03, 2019 Location: Amish Country Posts: 299	Holy smokes...i live in Lancaster Pa. And we just had the Christy Mirack case solved recently as well. I knew a girl in school with the last name Freund...wonder if they were related.

01-21-2021, 10:53 PM	#14
Tighthead Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 15, 2006 Posts: 199	Looks like her family reported he missing. It was only entered into NAMUS in the last year or so. He may not have had much family. His father had died, and I read he was an only child. He had filed for divorce before he disappeared, he called someone in Lancaster on December 25 1975. It wasn’t unheard of back then for people to just take off. Many families had someone who had taken off to travel, maybe with vague plans to head to California or something. I think they were likely both people who got married to young and weren’t ready for square life.

01-22-2021, 02:32 AM	#15
cordwainer1453 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 05, 2011 Location: Mass Posts: 268	The whole "jock, son of a Canadian doctor" thing turned out to be wrong, huh? I we have learned anything from UM, it's that eyewitness testimony is unreliable.