Remakes?????...........What Remakes????

[Larry Tate]

Remakes?????...........What Remakes????
Thank God we had 3 more seasons of Bewitched with Dick Sargent
I do not see what I want to see rather what is actually to be seen & is on the screen itself.

Others see what they choose to through a prism that is distorted by the affection that they feel for DY, hence I believe the place from where all the hatred for DS comes from by the Yorkies who express it.

What I saw was DS as Darrin clearly in love & devoted to Samantha with great affection for her & totally devoted to being with her evermore.

Most Yorkie's have the view that you express but most Bewitched fans in total, although may prefer DY, still very much like & enjoy DS as Darrin & his seasons a great deal.

He was very popular with the original generation of Bewitched fans that count the most the & although they are not as vocal as the Yorkie's they exist just as much to the same extent.

Although the ratings which are a relative thing to other shows did go down, the actual number of Households & people watching Bewitched were actually higher in the DS years then the early DY years for example.

As well the changeover prior to season 6 was not publicized & was largely unknown to the Bewitched Fan base till it happened. So when the fans tuned in to see the first episode of Season 6 they were expecting to still see DY, the ratings for this episode where they were tuning in to see DY were exactly the same as they were for the rest of the season when when they were tuning in to see DS, as they knew of the switch after seeing the first episode.

As well after the switch over there was no reaction from Bewitched fans, nobody called or wrote & cared or had a problem with it.This according to Screen Gems executives of the time like Bill Asher, Harry Ackermen, Richard Baer & Richard Michaels.

Thank goodness that the show did not end after season 5, that would have been a huge mistake & instead it should have been as it was done with the show continuing onward's for 3 more Wonderful Seasons.

Yes, Liz & DS were very good friends in a personal sense while she & DY were merely fellow workers who otherwise were not acquainted & were nothing more, which is why they had zero contact after DY left the show.

The Dynamics of the show as to how the characters such as Darrin, Samantha & Endora etc. interrelated & the Premise of the show was unchanged by the changeover from DY to DS, everything was maintained as it had been with consistency.

The 8th season was excellent & very enjoyable, all this Liz was bored,unhappy, hated being there, was a hateful Samantha & changed the character is a lot of Rubbish & is not what one sees on the screen, rather one sees the opposite of all this hateful comments.

Furthermore Elizabeth Montgomery is on record in many interviews that she loved doing all 8 years of the show, was never ever bored for a minute or unhappy doing the show during the 8 seasons & that it was a great experience throughout the entire run of the show & that she would not change anything about her experience in doing the show.

Her words are the truth & after all she should know as they were her feelings.

In fact what one sees is a happy & joyful Samantha, more so even then the previous seasons & that is saying something.

Good examples of this are Bewitched,Bothered & Baldoni, Three Men & a Witch on a Horse, where Adams powers were tested & the final episode, all that i have described is clearly delineated in those episodes.

#72 "What every Young man should know" from season two is a remake of the Pilot.

Remakes began as early as that not only in the last three seasons as so many say.

I would say from season 3 on there were 2,2,3,3,4,4 (out of the first 22 episodes in season 8) remakes, it was only at the end of season 8 that they were largely the case with 3 of the last 4 episodes being remakes.

These facts just show how creative & diverse Bewitched was, that although they stuck to their main premise through all 8 years they still never became formulaic or just rehashed themselves on a regular basis, quite the opposite was the case with varied &
unique episodes being the norm the vast majority of the time rather then them being glorified remakes of each other as has been suggested.

I must say as well that episodes where a spell was placed on Darrin or when he was transformed, ones time travel back & into the future, witch illness ones etc. were never remakes but all unique & creative episodes in the form of sub premises of the main premise, otherwise you might as well say that each time Samantha twitched her nose or Darrin kissed her that this made it a remake episode.

This would make as much sense as it would be to say the ones i referred to above were remakes as well,
& not the word for word of the entire episodes(which none of them ever were)which so often are claimed to be the case by those people who claim most if not all of the episodes the last 3 seasons & especially they say the last season were remakes..............they weren't needless to say.

Even when they were remakes they changed them around so much that they were dissimilar and only had the odd line in the odd scene that was word for word the same with 98% of the dialogue utterly different from the original episode, this was not like the Japanese or Russian versions of Bewitched where they took the original scripts for each Bewitched episode and then remade them literally word for word scene for scene, when Bewitched even had a rare remake then this was not the case, far from it.


I don't think the issue was the lack of new writers but rather that if you were going to stay true to the fundamental premise & the original characterizations then one was limited in what one could do over 8 years.

The alternative would be to go off on a completely different tangent that would not have been good or healthy for the show.

The fact that they stayed true to their original intent & premise is laudable in my view.

Actually a good quarter to a third of the shows the last few years were from new writers.

To me Little Pitchers Have Big Fears", "Soapbox Derby" are the same as It's Magic and Prodigy,the sort of Good Sam helps the Mortals sub premise and therefore would not constitute a remake, same as a spell on Darrin would not even though it had been done before & the basic aspects of it were the same in premise such a spell, complications for Mortal Darrin, he freaks, he & Sam work to fix it out, she uses magic as a last resort to do so, Witches ,laughing at all the mischief they created, mortals saying did i just see that................that sort of thing, but they were not remakes either.

[tcr1701]

You always use "Yorkies" as if it some kind of insult. As if there even is such a thing other than those wiry little dogs (Yorkshire Terriers). But as for Dick York fans I've never heard one say they "hate Dick Sargent." Nor has one ever attempted to trash Dick Sargent's reputation over and over rather gleefully. Preferring one actor over the other is not hatred. Well, for most normal people.

As for the ratings on episode 1 of season six we don't have that. The ratings calculated were for that season overall. We have no idea if the show dropped during or after Dick Sargent appeared. If you have those episode by episode numbers from the Nielsen's please do post them.

But how do lower ratings mean more people were watching? Again, just trying to understand the math here. Is this that "new math" people were talking about in the 1960s?

Herbie Pilato said that Liz and her good friend Dick Sargent hadn't see or spoken with each each other in many years until he began writing his Bewitched book. Then they did one gay pride parade together, but that seems about it.

[Larry Tate]

Take it as you want, it is what it is, and they are all what they so!!!

Again your a liar as it is rare for a Yorkie to not spew out hate and vitriol towards Dick Sargent.

There is nothing normal about Yorkies or their actions.

In regards to York normal fans merely state facts not York biased delusions.
You may not have it i do, ratings are calculated on a weekly basis.

That has already been explained to you, the numbers of people went up.

Liz has stated on camera numerous times she was best friends with Dick Sargent, but then again you know better about how they felt about each other.

Originally Posted by tcr1701

You always use "Yorkies" as if it some kind of insult. As if there even is such a thing other than those wiry little dogs (Yorkshire Terriers). But as for Dick York fans I've never heard one say they "hate Dick Sargent." Nor has one ever attempted to trash Dick Sargent's reputation over and over rather gleefully. Preferring one actor over the other is not hatred. Well, for most normal people.

As for the ratings on episode 1 of season six we don't have that. The ratings calculated were for that season overall. We have no idea if the show dropped during or after Dick Sargent appeared. If you have those episode by episode numbers from the Nielsen's please do post them.

But how do lower ratings mean more people were watching? Again, just trying to understand the math here. Is this that "new math" people were talking about in the 1960s?

Herbie Pilato said that Liz and her good friend Dick Sargent hadn't see or spoken with each each other in many years until he began writing his Bewitched book. Then they did one gay pride parade together, but that seems about it.

[Willbo]

I have never said a negative thing about Dick Sargent yet I am labeled a Yorkie because I prefer the actor Dick York in the role of Darrin instead of Dick Sargent. You spew hate and venom toward Dick York. Like I have said in the past, I like Dick Sargent. He just was not the original Darrin. I liked him as Elise's father on Family Ties. I believe most of us on this board don't understand your unkind words toward this man. Also your total disrespect for other posters who do not share your opinions. Grow up.

[Monliz]

That tcr1701 thinks he knows more about Bewitched than the star of that show, which is Elizabeth Montgomery, and now he thinks he knows more about Lizz's friendships than Lizz herself, it's funny

[tcr1701]

Originally Posted by Larry Tate

Again your a liar as it is rare for a Yorkie to not spew out hate and vitriol towards Dick Sargent.

Technically that would be "you're a liar" but grammar aside, please point out my hateful words about Dick Sargent - here or on other threads. I have stated many times I think Dick Sargent was "the perfect choice" since no one could do what Dick York did. He had real pathos in the character. Or as Bill Asher said he was "just wonderful."

Originally Posted by Larry Tate

You may not have it i do, ratings are calculated on a weekly basis.

Of course you have "records and documents" that no one else has or has ever seen before. Yes, ratings are calculated weekly NOW and released publicly NOW. But back in 1969 there are no existing records of verified episode by episode ratings.

[Larry Tate]

Rubbish, every week the nelson ratings have been published since they began back sometime in the 1950's, that is how they knew week to week what the top 10 or 20 etc. ratings were every week.

As for your hatred towards Dick Sargent if the York fits wear it.

Do your own research.

Originally Posted by tcr1701

Technically that would be "you're a liar" but grammar aside, please point out my hateful words about Sick Sargent - here or on other threads. I have stated many times I think Dick Sargent was "the perfect choice" since no one could do what Dick York did. He had real pathos in the character. Or as Bill Asher said he was "just wonderful."



Of course you have "records and documents" that no one else has or has ever seen before. Yes, ratings are calculated weekly NOW and released publicly NOW. But back in 1969 there are no existing records of verified episode by episode ratings.

[Larry Tate]

Sadly for you it would be necessary for you to exist to grow up so i will not suggest the impossible.

I state facts only about Dick York and have consistently had the highest regard for him as an actor, think he did a brilliant job as Darrin, where i wish he could have done all 8 seasons and enjoyed his performances immensely.

Dick Sargent was the originally chosen Darrin.
I merely react to the utterly disrespectful and irrational way you yorkie's post hatred and ugly smears against Elizabeth Montgomery and ugly hateful personal attacks against those that defend her and the truth such as myself, deal with it.

By the way Liz never appeared on the Tom Snyder talk show, just more delusion on the part of Yorkie's.

Originally Posted by Willbo

I have never said a negative thing about Dick Sargent yet I am labeled a Yorkie because I prefer the actor Dick York in the role of Darrin instead of Dick Sargent. You spew hate and venom toward Dick York. Like I have said in the past, I like Dick Sargent. He just was not the original Darrin. I liked him as Elise's father on Family Ties. I believe most of us on this board don't understand your unkind words toward this man. Also your total disrespect for other posters who do not share your opinions. Grow up.

[Mr. Television]

Are you saying nobody knew the change was going to take place before that episode aired? Because If I knew I probably wouldn't have watched.

[tcr1701]

Originally Posted by Larry Tate

Rubbish, every week the nelson ratings have been published since they began back sometime in the 1950's, that is how they knew week to week what the top 10 or 20 etc. ratings were every week.Do your own research.

Ah, so you don't have any records of weekly ratings from 1969 either. Understood.

[Willbo]

You have no clue about Tom Snyder. You are just upset you did not know about it. I have always admired Eliaxabeth Montgomery. She is Bewitched. You have a sick sence of who she was. I found some threads from 2011 on this board. You were spewing the same lies back then. Your fake news has been going on for way to long.

[Monliz]

Originally Posted by Willbo

You have no clue about Tom Snyder. You are just upset you did not know about it. I have always admired Eliaxabeth Montgomery. She is Bewitched. You have a sick sence of who she was. I found some threads from 2011 on this board. You were spewing the same lies back then. Your fake news has been going on for way to long.

Lizz was never interviewed by Tom Snyder and she never talked to Dick York since he left Bewitched. You're blatantly lying

If you say that interview happened and you want us to believe you, you have to prove it, if you don't prove it then all you're doing is losing credibility

[tcr1701]

Bill Asher states at the 10 minute 40 second mark that Dick Sargent was "runner up" to Dick York in casting Darrin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

He also sates that Dick York was "infinitely better."

[Willbo]

It was a radio program. Monliz/Larry Tate you make these outlandish assumptions and cannot back then up. EM and DY did speak on the radio show. I do not have an agenda and do not have to lie to get attention. You two or one have uttered total fabrications and lies for years on here.

[tcr1701]

Originally Posted by Willbo

It was a radio program. Monliz/Larry Tate you make these outlandish assumptions and cannot back then up. EM and DY did speak on the radio show. I do not have an agenda and do not have to lie to get attention. You two or one have uttered total fabrications and lies for years on here.

I have heard of this interview with Dick and Liz as well. I wish is still existed. York was asked on Entertainment Tonight if he ever spoke to Elizabeth again after his last day on the set and he replied "not in person." He didn't elaborate but may have meant this interview.