Which UM case that was ruled a suicide are the most convinced was really murder?

[yourhomiebrian]

Of all the murder/suicide cases presented on unsolved mysteries that was ruled a suicide which one more than any other are you convinced was murder? Meaning not a single doubt in your mind.

[StackTime]

Originally Posted by yourhomiebrian

Of all the murder/suicide cases presented on unsolved mysteries that was ruled a suicide which one more than any other are you convinced was murder? Meaning not a single doubt in your mind.

Keith Warren.

Generally speaking, I think most of the cases officially ruled as suicides were indeed suicides, or, accidents, and not murders. Often it seems the families don't want to accept that, and see what they want to see when it comes to "evidence" to support their alternative theory.

[Chichester Crowe]

Originally Posted by StackTime

Generally speaking, I think most of the cases officially ruled as suicides were indeed suicides, or, accidents, and not murders. Often it seems the families don't want to accept that, and see what they want to see when it comes to "evidence" to support their alternative theory.

The majority maybe, but there are quite a few which appear to involve foul play.

Danny Casolaro, Charles Morgan, Ted Loseff, and Tommy Burkett are some cases that I believe are homicides. Keith Warren, too.

[jbjr56]

Originally Posted by Chichester Crowe

The majority maybe, but there are quite a few which appear to involve foul play.

Danny Casolaro, Charles Morgan, Ted Loseff, and Tommy Burkett are some cases that I believe are homicides. Keith Warren, too.

The guy who was a government worker that fell to his death from his motel
room back in the 50-60’s. I think the project he was involved in had something to do with LSD experimentation. I believe it was ruled a suicide. Or could of been ruled an accident. I’m not sure. His family thought he was thrown out the window.

[soilentgreen]

Originally Posted by jbjr56

The guy who was a government worker that fell to his death from his motel
room back in the 50-60’s. I think the project he was involved in had something to do with LSD experimentation. I believe it was ruled a suicide. Or could of been ruled an accident. I’m not sure. His family thought he was thrown out the window.

Frank Olson.

Some suspect suicide and accident cases: Rena Paquette, Mario Amado, Ralph Sigler, Bobby Fuller, Leroy Drieth and Robert Hamrick.

[Todd Mueller]

Norman Ladner was murder. The evidence supports that.

Rae Ann Mosser was an accident. The evidence shows she most likely could not have physically killed herself. I think she threatened suicide and she was accidentally shot struggling with her boyfriend.

I also agree on Keith Warren and Ted Loseff.

[Hot Jock]

Joseph Daniel Casolaro was absolutely murdered IMO.

[TheCars1986]

None of them.

[PracTz]

I definitely think Keith Warren and Ted Loseff were far more likely to have been murdered than to have taken their own lives! I also think it's rather sad that their families seemed to look at the actual evidence far more diligently than the local authorities.

[Huskerz85]

Keith Warren & Ted Loseff most definitely.

Casolaro, Morgan and Burkett are still solid suicides IMO (many arguments made in their specific threads are quite convincing)

[tsaun]

Keith Warren is probably the only one but I don't think that was a murder. Just an accidental death that was staged to look like a suicide.

[mercy1825]

Originally Posted by Huskerz85

Keith Warren & Ted Loseff most definitely.

Casolaro, Morgan and Burkett are still solid suicides IMO (many arguments made in their specific threads are quite convincing)

Can you elaborate on which arguments for Casolaro, Morgan and Burkett you find to be convincing that they are solid suicides?

[Chichester Crowe]

I forgot to mention Dave Bocks. I'd like to see the police photos of the "hog tied" stainless steel loops.

If Charles Morgan committed suicide (by shooting himself in the back of the head) he deserves the award for most elaborate red herring. Gail Delano just tossed her purse in a bush and disappeared. It took two years for her family to find out that she killed herself.

The Morgan-Casolaro-Johnston deaths are just too compelling to right-off as coincidences. In another 10 years, it will be a major motion picture starring Tom Cruise, ala "American Made". And speaking of that, compelling evidence has come forward that Don Henry and Kevin Ives were also murdered. Who knows? Maybe Norman Ladner met the same fate as them?

Also somewhat related to this discussion: I believe Dan Wilson and Patricia Meehan committed "suicide by prairie", or another way of saying they walked into the nothing.

[PracTz]

Originally Posted by tsaun

Keith Warren is probably the only one but I don't think that was a murder. Just an accidental death that was staged to look like a suicide.

So how would a person 'accidentally' construct an elaborate system of ropes tied to at least two trees, consume some kind of strong drugs,change into clothes that their family members would have not recognized, then hang themselves?

[Huskerz85]

Originally Posted by mercy1825

Can you elaborate on which arguments for Casolaro, Morgan and Burkett you find to be convincing that they are solid suicides?

Casolaro
(starting near the bottom of page 3 and continuing to the end of the thread)

https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards...asolaro&page=3

If a CIA or some other highly trained assassin was responsible for killing Danny Casolaro, why would they commit to such a time-consuming, personal method of killing him, esp. when the risk of leaving DNA at the scene was so high?

(consider also that he was reported by hotel staff to have been seen under the influence, his time of death was reported to have been during the day--when any potential assassins could've easily been spotted--and he had painkillers with him)

Morgan
https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards...+morgan&page=2

(see posts 21, 28, 29, 32, 33, 36)

Morgan was either into some shady stuff, on the verge of going nuts or some combination of both - take your pick. At some point however--probably fearing detection by government authorities--he made the decision to commit suicide but concocted an elaborate scheme to make it look like he was murdered so as to leave both his wife and children in the clear

Burkett
https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards...Burkett&page=8

(see posts 114, 117)

To me, it seems like constant bullying/torment caused Tommy to have a mental breakdown and finally commit suicide. There was far too much being left to chance & that didn't make sense, for it to be a murder.