Why do you think Dub Wackerhagen, Chance and the girlfriend was killed?

[yourhomiebrian]

The authorities have announced a few years ago that they think Dub and Chance were the victims of foul play. So my question is why do you think these 3 individuals were killed?assuming they are correct. Who do you think the main target for this murder was? Dub or the girlfriend? Do you think the murder could possibly have had something to do with Chance being the target? Possibly over child custody. My guess is it was an ex lover of either Dub or the girlfriend and that there was more than one person involved. I always did kind of think Dub and Chance were victims. I think it's possible the killer or killers were hired to do this. What do you guys think?

[MegtheEgg86]

Originally Posted by yourhomiebrian

The authorities have announced a few years ago that they think Dub and Chance were the victims of foul play. So my question is why do you think these 3 individuals were killed?assuming they are correct. Who do you think the main target for this murder was? Dub or the girlfriend? Do you think the murder could possibly have had something to do with Chance being the target? Possibly over child custody. My guess is it was an ex lover of either Dub or the girlfriend and that there was more than one person involved. I always did kind of think Dub and Chance were victims. I think it's possible the killer or killers were hired to do this. What do you guys think?

Logically, I think the theory that Dub killed Latricia and went into hiding with Chance is thoroughly plausible.

What bothers me though is that after all these years, Chance hasn't resurfaced. I suppose he most certainly could have changed his name, but I can't imagine that, if he's alive, he still hasn't made any apparent attempt to contact his mother by now. He was nine years old when he disappeared; he would be 34 today. The living arrangement at the time of the disappearance was that Chance's mother Gaye had primary custody of him and lived about three hours away from Dub.

I don't really think Dub killed Chance and continued on in hiding, but I do think the notion of a murder-suicide is somewhat likely.

If there was a third party responsible for Latricia's murder and the Wackerhagens' disappearance, I have no idea what the motive could possibly be. There's simply no information other than a few mentions in some articles that investigators might have reason to believe Dub and Chance were also victims.

[yourhomiebrian]

Originally Posted by MegtheEgg86

Logically, I think the theory that Dub killed Latricia and went into hiding with Chance is thoroughly plausible.

What bothers me though is that after all these years, Chance hasn't resurfaced. I suppose he most certainly could have changed his name, but I can't imagine that, if he's alive, he still hasn't made any apparent attempt to contact his mother by now. He was nine years old when he disappeared; he would be 34 today. The living arrangement at the time of the disappearance was that Chance's mother Gaye had primary custody of him and lived about three hours away from Dub.

I don't really think Dub killed Chance and continued on in hiding, but I do think the notion of a murder-suicide is somewhat likely.

If there was a third party responsible for Latricia's murder and the Wackerhagens' disappearance, I have no idea what the motive could possibly be. There's simply no information other than a few mentions in some articles that investigators might have reason to believe Dub and Chance were also victims.

Dubs truck was found in a high crime area. That makes me think someone desperate for money could have been hired. Or possibly Drug related. But that is wild speculation at best on my part.

[Todd Mueller]

I'm trying to remember what RobinW discussed on his excellent episode of The Trail Went Cold about this case... I seem to remember that Latricia had a ex-husband or boyfriend who was suspected of killing them in a jealous rage.

I know we aren't entitled to what law enforcement knows, but it is so hard hearing about the "recent developments" in the case that have shifted the investigation and not knowing what is really going on. I used to think Dub was the perp but with the vague new information, I no longer believe that.

[crystaldawn]

This case is the subject of my next blog. I'm talking in-depth with Chance's mother and you'll be surprised at what she has to say.

[Todd Mueller]

Originally Posted by crystaldawn

This case is the subject of my next blog. I'm talking in-depth with Chance's mother and you'll be surprised at what she has to say.

WOW! The hits just keep on rolling for you...

I can't wait to read your blog on this!

[yourhomiebrian]

Originally Posted by Todd Mueller

I'm trying to remember what RobinW discussed on his excellent episode of The Trail Went Cold about this case... I seem to remember that Latricia had a ex-husband or boyfriend who was suspected of killing them in a jealous rage.

I know we aren't entitled to what law enforcement knows, but it is so hard hearing about the "recent developments" in the case that have shifted the investigation and not knowing what is really going on. I used to think Dub was the perp but with the vague new information, I no longer believe that.

I remember that podcast.

[yourhomiebrian]

Originally Posted by crystaldawn

This case is the subject of my next blog. I'm talking in-depth with Chance's mother and you'll be surprised at what she has to say.

I look very forward to that!

[Calliope68]

Originally Posted by crystaldawn

This case is the subject of my next blog. I'm talking in-depth with Chance's mother and you'll be surprised at what she has to say.

Yes! I can't wait. I loved the one on Adam Hecht.

[5thcorps]

I think Dun and Chance were the victims of foul play at the hands of someone who knew them, or was hired by someone who knew them. I don't believe either are still alive, especially Dub being as massive as he was, 6'4" and and heavier set to boot doesn't exactly blend into a crowd well.

[Huskerz85]

Latricia's ex definitely had something to do with it - see post #190 here (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...ht=Dub&page=13)

I wasn't going to totally discount the 'Dub did it' theory at first, I was curious about Latricia - about her background, anyone she had recently been involved with besides Dub etc. Either this was investigated sloppily or UM decided to get on the hype train and run with the most obvious theory without exploring other valid avenues (I mean they never mentioned the murder weapon was a *revolver* or specified whether Latricia/Dub happened to own one........)

I too am curious as to what the authorities have uncovered. From what they said--Dub/Chance were possibly the victims of foul play--but the fact they haven't charged anyone or released any names leads me to believe they got a detailed/semi-detailed rundown from someone who was involved with the murders, probably anonymous too and they're now trying to verify everything, but just can't find the bodies (which, again, would explain why they haven't released any names/filed any charges).

At this point, I feel like someone - whether it be Latricia's ex or another party - hired at least 2-3 people to kill Latricia and wanted to explicitly frame Dub for it (doing so would also require Dub to be killed, which is why you'd need at least 2 people for the job).

When it comes to the phone call at the truck, I don't think it was a simple case of "hey, I did it..........the job is done". I think whoever was in the truck was told the party on the other end that he killed Chance along with Dub and wanted instructions on how to dispose of the bodies and/or where (that's the only explanation I could think of as to why the call lasted so long - simply informing someone the job is done, or getting pay-off instructions wouldn't take 10mins).

Was this truck ever processed though? Was the blood type analyzed and possibly compared to Dub/Chance? Were there fibers, fingerprints or other forensic evidence recovered? Also, could the phone call be traced (i.e. could the number/party on the other end be conclusively determined) ??

To me, answering some of these questions would really help flesh things out

[Labonte18]

Someone came up with a good theory that Dub, being a trucker, might have known or gotten involved in the transport of drugs and that lead to the deaths.

I do think that Chance was used to control Dub. Prevent him from attempting to escape or fight back.

The ex-husband is an obvious suspect.. But, the only reason I think perhaps he might be a red herring is.. Do you think the ex is sophisticated enough to pull off the murder of three people and not leave any evidence implicating himself behind? A 'first time murderer' would have to be astoundingly lucky to pull that off.

Of course, this was the 80's/90's, a different time.. but I'm sure anything that had DNA available to be tested has been tested by this point.

[5thcorps]

I'm willing to bet many clues were left behind, but getting a grand jury to indict based on them may be the issue here.

[flytrapp]

Crystal Dawn, I'm sure you posted it somewhere here, but would you mind posting again the link or location to your blog?

Btw, there is a 1997 unsolved disappearance is Nova Scotia, Canada of a woman named Crystal Dawn. Her last name is Jack. Crystal Dawn, have you been hiding in plain sight?

[Labonte18]

Originally Posted by 5thcorps

I'm willing to bet many clues were left behind, but getting a grand jury to indict based on them may be the issue here.

Maybe.. I just thing the odds of someone deciding to murder three people and not leave any clues behind that could be tied to them.. And not kill anyone else in the 20+ years afterwards.. Seems a stretch.

I think any clues left were from someone who can't be matched. This has the feel of one of those cases where 30 years later, a body is found and there's a DNA match or something.

But.. There's also the fact that we have no idea whatsoever what evidence the police have. It's pretty surprising how little info about this case is out there.

For all we know.. between the time Dub divorced Chance's mother and when he was dating Latricia.. Was he involved with anyone else? I mean, that person would have the same or similar motive as Latricia's ex. This is another case that i'd love to see the actual police files on. No doubt they're holding back some info so that if someone admits to it, there's a piece that only they would know.. But.. Sometimes, the lack of info makes the police seem incompetent.

Tons of blood in the truck, but it can't be tied to Chance or Dub.. I'd buy that in 1993.. But, it's 2019.. I presume that evidence still exists. Testing DNA against Chance's mother would tell whether it was Chance or not.. Dub still has sisters, I believe, so, test against them to tell if it's from him.