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Hazel Anyday · 01-07-2019, 12:00 AM

Did any of youz catch the Friday ME TV showing of "Evening with a Star" ep 3.36? Well I skipped thru to the end of the episode just to see Bill Frawley sing "Carolina In The Morning", and just as Bub gets up on stage to sing, BOP a commercial, when they return after what must have been 5 minutes, the entire song and Bub singing it was cut completely!!!!

AHHHHHH.

I am so sick of great music being excised from today's TV broadcasts that were ALWAYS included in these same previous episode broadcasts from just a few years back.

TV Land included it, I know, I remembered it well and was totally disgusted to see it now removed from ME TV broadcasts. Is music suddenly now being charged by the note whereas before it was all part of the cost of the entire series? Shows were sold to TV stations in multi season sets, individual episodes with individual music as part of the show was NEVER a problem before. This new greedy practice by music publishers to grab as much of the take as they can is ruining the programs that were meant to be seen with these songs intact. ESPECIALLY in this particular episode where the whole point of the story was to show Bub as a star performing the way he did in the day.

William Frawley in real life was the guy who actually introduced "Carolina In The Morning" in 1914, he must have been spinning in his grave when he saw what ME TV did to his big starring moment in the show.

I's regusted.

Hazel Anyday · 01-08-2019, 11:17 PM

Great point HazelAnyday.

stevea · 01-09-2019, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hazel Anyday

Great point HazelAnyday.

It was. I checked my DVD copy from last year, and of course they did the same thing. Since I'm not familiar with these b/w episodes, I didn't even know he actually sang it--I would have liked to hear it!

This wasn't as bad as 12-10, where they cut the song and tons of the rest of the episode. In the case of this episode, the Odyssey showing was WAY better.

There is an episode in season 7 where Tina Cole sings Downtown. I wonder if they cut that out, too.

In the case of the final episode of Donna Reed, where Lesley Gore sings It's My Party, MeTV didn't edit it--they just skipped the episode altogether. I have a copy where TV Land showed the episode, including the song.

stevea · 01-09-2019, 10:52 PM

I just sent MeTV a contact email, asking them why they make these music cuts. I got an immediate canned reply. Most likely, they won't directly answer the question.

I'll bet they're too cheap to pay a royalty fee. Probably the same thing that happened with Bachelor Father on Antenna TV.

Hazel Anyday · 01-09-2019, 11:12 PM

It really is sickening what these music pigs have done to classic TV shows. A long time ago I looked to see if Bill Frawley had ever recorded any songs on records or an album. To my sweet surprise I found that he had!! In the early '60's (I bet it was at the time this My 3 Sons episode was shown as a way of promoting Bill's then new album) he recorded an album called "Bill Frawley Sings the Old Ones" in which he sings 12 great old classic songs of vaudeville time, including his own "Carolina In the Morning". I found the album on Ebay several years back and bought it, since then I transferred it to CD and from that to my computer. Now Bill Frawley's songs pop up whenever I play my computer media player in it's "shuffle" mode as I play all the other music that's there.

Here is at least the audio of what Bub sang on My 3 Sons singing "Carolina In The Morning" from the album he recorded then:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuxdwfxvykY

stevea · 01-10-2019, 12:03 PM

ISTR Frawley and Vance singing this On I Love Lucy.

1960'sTVfan · 01-10-2019, 03:53 PM

I agree that this music rights nonsense with classic TV sitcoms is a pile of legal BS. It has ruined some classic TV sitcom releases on DVD. The series on DVD that's most problematic for me is Gomer Pyle, several of those episodes are ruined because of music edits.

When classic sitcom episodes are shown on TV, music edits are usually uncommon but now that appears to be changing, although it seems to depend on the show. For example, The Joey Bishop Show 3rd season has several episodes with songs/music. The Bobby Rydell episode, the Vic Damone episode, the Jack Jones episode, the Andy Williams episode. These are just a few examples and when Antenna TV runs these episodes, the songs are intact. Other scenes are edited out but the songs are left in.

stevea · 01-10-2019, 04:00 PM

I just saw Frawley's performance on Dailymotion. He really does it well.

01-07-2019, 12:00 AM	#1
Hazel Anyday Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 12, 2002 Posts: 2,135	Evening with a Star Wha Happened? Did any of youz catch the Friday ME TV showing of "Evening with a Star" ep 3.36? Well I skipped thru to the end of the episode just to see Bill Frawley sing "Carolina In The Morning", and just as Bub gets up on stage to sing, BOP a commercial, when they return after what must have been 5 minutes, the entire song and Bub singing it was cut completely!!!! AHHHHHH. I am so sick of great music being excised from today's TV broadcasts that were ALWAYS included in these same previous episode broadcasts from just a few years back. TV Land included it, I know, I remembered it well and was totally disgusted to see it now removed from ME TV broadcasts. Is music suddenly now being charged by the note whereas before it was all part of the cost of the entire series? Shows were sold to TV stations in multi season sets, individual episodes with individual music as part of the show was NEVER a problem before. This new greedy practice by music publishers to grab as much of the take as they can is ruining the programs that were meant to be seen with these songs intact. ESPECIALLY in this particular episode where the whole point of the story was to show Bub as a star performing the way he did in the day. William Frawley in real life was the guy who actually introduced "Carolina In The Morning" in 1914, he must have been spinning in his grave when he saw what ME TV did to his big starring moment in the show. I's regusted.
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01-08-2019, 11:17 PM	#2
Hazel Anyday Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 12, 2002 Posts: 2,135	Right Great point HazelAnyday.

01-10-2019, 03:53 PM	#7
1960'sTVfan Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Sep 30, 2009 Posts: 6,099	I agree that this music rights nonsense with classic TV sitcoms is a pile of legal BS. It has ruined some classic TV sitcom releases on DVD. The series on DVD that's most problematic for me is Gomer Pyle, several of those episodes are ruined because of music edits. When classic sitcom episodes are shown on TV, music edits are usually uncommon but now that appears to be changing, although it seems to depend on the show. For example, The Joey Bishop Show 3rd season has several episodes with songs/music. The Bobby Rydell episode, the Vic Damone episode, the Jack Jones episode, the Andy Williams episode. These are just a few examples and when Antenna TV runs these episodes, the songs are intact. Other scenes are edited out but the songs are left in.
	Last edited by 1960'sTVfan; 01-10-2019 at 10:56 PM.

01-09-2019, 10:52 PM	#4
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,673	I just sent MeTV a contact email, asking them why they make these music cuts. I got an immediate canned reply. Most likely, they won't directly answer the question. I'll bet they're too cheap to pay a royalty fee. Probably the same thing that happened with Bachelor Father on Antenna TV.

01-09-2019, 11:12 PM	#5
Hazel Anyday Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 12, 2002 Posts: 2,135	It really is sickening what these music pigs have done to classic TV shows. A long time ago I looked to see if Bill Frawley had ever recorded any songs on records or an album. To my sweet surprise I found that he had!! In the early '60's (I bet it was at the time this My 3 Sons episode was shown as a way of promoting Bill's then new album) he recorded an album called "Bill Frawley Sings the Old Ones" in which he sings 12 great old classic songs of vaudeville time, including his own "Carolina In the Morning". I found the album on Ebay several years back and bought it, since then I transferred it to CD and from that to my computer. Now Bill Frawley's songs pop up whenever I play my computer media player in it's "shuffle" mode as I play all the other music that's there. Here is at least the audio of what Bub sang on My 3 Sons singing "Carolina In The Morning" from the album he recorded then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuxdwfxvykY

01-10-2019, 12:03 PM	#6
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,673	ISTR Frawley and Vance singing this On I Love Lucy.

01-10-2019, 04:00 PM	#8
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,673	I just saw Frawley's performance on Dailymotion. He really does it well.