The FOL "Off Campus" Thread

['80sSitcoms]

Welcome to Peekskill!

This thread is for any conversations/topics we may like to get into that actually don't have anything to do with "The Facts of Life" (believe it or not, there are such things! It's a "fact of life"! ). So we can actually step off the campus grounds and roam around town talking about whatever.

I know the forums have a board for non-TV talk, but I thought it'd be fun to have one here just for us " 'Facts' folks".

[RetroGuy2000]

Originally Posted by '80sSitcoms

We could go in-depth, but I and others believe it's basically about what Jill and Polly say about Susan, about her desire to be grown-up and taken seriously as an adult. I don't even think it's anything about "sex" (I'm looking at you, Rowling), it's that she chose to focus on the material world at hand and fitting into the world as an "at last" adult, thereby saying farewell to her spiritual experiences from earlier years.

Yeah, but if Eustace and Edmund could be saved, even after all their bad behavior, why couldn't Susan? Does putting on make-up and nylons make one a bad person? If Aslan could cure Eustace and Edmund of brattiness and betrayal, why couldn't he knock some sense into Susan?

I'll have to let you know some of what the Companion says (it's an encyclopedia of Narnia), and what some of my rebuttal thoughts are.

I look forward to it.

He did! In Prince Caspian..."Come, child, let me breathe on you. There. Do you feel better now?" "A little, Aslan." (though naysayers say that's one sign right there---she only feels "a little" better)

No, I meant after she got into fashion and stuff. I know he breathed on her in PC, but she obviously didn't abandon Narnia while she was in Narnia.

['80sSitcoms]

Originally Posted by RetroGuy2000

If Aslan could cure Eustace and Edmund of brattiness and betrayal, why couldn't he knock some sense into Susan?

Originally Posted by RetroGuy2000

No, I meant after she got into fashion and stuff. I know he breathed on her in PC, but she obviously didn't abandon Narnia while she was in Narnia.

Ah, sorry. Well, I know you know Aslan is "Aslan" only in Narnia, so he couldn't transcend into our world and in lion form and breathe on her.

But, there is always the argument that there is hope for Susan. After all, in LWW Aslan states to the four children, "Once a King or Queen in Narnia, always a King or Queen in Narnia." (poster's emphasis, lol). And since he wrote LWW first, that's weightier than anything else. So to me it's obvious that Susan can---and will---one day eventually find her way into Narnia, the new everlasting Narnia.

Some years ago I had the lovely opportunity to once meet the author of the "Inside Narnia" books, Professor Devin Brown, and we had a private talk about Narnia (hey, kind of like Peter and Susan got to meet with a professor in LWW---neat!). And I made notes from his books to bring with me to discuss, and of course "Susan's fall" was a topic I had to broach with him. And when I brought up how she said, paraphrasing, "Oh, fancy you, remembering those silly games we used to play as children!", and wondering how could she forget Narnia, he said, "Well, she couldn't think it was all a game, otherwise she'd be insane," lol. So that was her excuse in not taking part in Narnia talks with the others back home; she was dismissing it, purposefully, but not actually believing they were made-up "silly games". That's a point I hadn't considered before, and it turned on a new bulb and made more sense (for that point in and of itself, anyway; of course most of us agree it doesn't make sense her fall happened in the first place).

The Companion does bring up good points, but, it seems they're points you see if you go looking for them. In my reading experience I didn't see those points as such, so that's why the wind was knocked out of me.

[MA]

My phone is messed up. The issue with my Purchased apps started Friday morning, but then the disappearing emails issue I first noticed yesterday.

Hopefully, I'll be getting a new phone for my birthday next year and those problems won’t happen anymore.

[RetroGuy2000]

Originally Posted by '80sSitcoms

Ah, sorry. Well, I know you know Aslan is "Aslan" only in Narnia, so he couldn't transcend into our world and in lion form and breathe on her.

Pshh! He's Aslan. He can do anything. In The Silver Chair, he opens a portal from Narnia to Britain, and then tells the kids that he will turn his back to that land, not that he can't actually go there. Plus, since he made Narnia, and Narnian products can get through (like the tree that the wardrobe was made from), it seems to me like he has the power to go to Earth, if he chooses.

IMO, all he'd have to do is open a portal and look at her in an Aslan-y way, and she'd rush to him, weeping for forgiveness.

But, there is always the argument that there is hope for Susan. After all, in LWW Aslan states to the four children, "Once a King or Queen in Narnia, always a King or Queen in Narnia." (poster's emphasis, lol). And since he wrote LWW first, that's weightier than anything else. So to me it's obvious that Susan can---and will---one day eventually find her way into Narnia, the new everlasting Narnia.

I choose to believe this, too. No way is Susan a permanent exile.

Some years ago I had the lovely opportunity to once meet the author of the "Inside Narnia" books, Professor Devin Brown, and we had a private talk about Narnia (hey, kind of like Peter and Susan got to meet with a professor in LWW---neat!). And I made notes from his books to bring with me to discuss, and of course "Susan's fall" was a topic I had to broach with him. And when I brought up how she said, paraphrasing, "Oh, fancy you, remembering those silly games we used to play as children!", and wondering how could she forget Narnia, he said, "Well, she couldn't think it was all a game, otherwise she'd be insane," lol.

LOL, yep!

So that was her excuse in not taking part in Narnia talks with the others back home; she was dismissing it, purposefully, but not actually believing they were made-up "silly games". That's a point I hadn't considered before, and it turned on a new bulb and made more sense (for that point in and of itself, anyway; of course most of us agree it doesn't make sense her fall happened in the first place).

No, because she'd spent too much time in Narnia to just believe, or even pretend to believe, it didn't exist.

[RetroGuy2000]

Originally Posted by MikaelaArsenault

My phone is messed up. The issue with my Purchased apps started Friday morning, but then the disappearing emails issue I first noticed yesterday.

Hopefully, I'll be getting a new phone for my birthday next year and those problems won’t happen anymore.

Good luck with the phone, Mikaela!

[MA]

Originally Posted by RetroGuy2000

Good luck with the phone, Mikaela!

Thanks Retro! Talked to someone from Apple yesterday, and the issue got escalated to the engineers.

Will be hearing back either by phone or email in the next few days.

['80sSitcoms]

Originally Posted by RetroGuy2000

Pshh! He's Aslan. He can do anything. In The Silver Chair, he opens a portal from Narnia to Britain, and then tells the kids that he will turn his back to that land, not that he can't actually go there. Plus, since he made Narnia, and Narnian products can get through (like the tree that the wardrobe was made from), it seems to me like he has the power to go to Earth, if he chooses.

Yeah there's some ambiguity there. Like Narnian relics can come to our world, but Aslan can't (after all, he tells the children in VDT he is "known by another name here" and they must learn him by that name. So I guess Aslan and Jesus can't be in the same world twice, lol).

Originally Posted by RetroGuy2000

IMO, all he'd have to do is open a portal and look at her in an Aslan-y way, and she'd rush to him, weeping for forgiveness.

Now that is a lovely image and thought!

[RetroGuy2000]

Originally Posted by '80sSitcoms

Yeah there's some ambiguity there. Like Narnian relics can come to our world, but Aslan can't (after all, he tells the children in VDT he is "known by another name here" and they must learn him by that name. So I guess Aslan and Jesus can't be in the same world twice, lol).

Haha!

Now that is a lovely image and thought!

Yeah, and then she would run her hands through his mane, and she'd cry, and they'd make up. Then he'd breathe on her and say, "Rise, child. I am here, dear heart. Once a queen of Narnia, always a queen of Narnia. Your sins are forgiven. Put away your nylons and lip gloss. For the Deeper Magic from before the Dawn of Time doesn't approve of such things."

Then they'd go for a gallop through the countryside, and all would be well!

THE END

['80sSitcoms]

Originally Posted by RetroGuy2000

Yeah, and then she would run her hands through his mane, and she'd cry, and they'd make up. Then he'd breathe on her and say, "Rise, child. I am here, dear heart. Once a queen of Narnia, always a queen of Narnia. Your sins are forgiven. Put away your nylons and lip gloss. For the Deeper Magic from before the Dawn of Time doesn't approve of such things."

Then they'd go for a gallop through the countryside, and all would be well!

THE END

Ha! Nice ending...only, with you saying "lip gloss", this dialogue would have to be included:

"They're lipsticks, okay, Mr. Aslan??"

"Sorry, Daughter of Eve. I keep forgetting. They're 'lipsticks'. "

[RetroGuy2000]

Haha!

[Lorimar Television]

Great idea, Eights! Whats everyone doing for the holidays?

['80sSitcoms]

Originally Posted by Lorimar Television

Great idea, Eights! Whats everyone doing for the holidays?

Splitting time with work/family.

[MA]

Originally Posted by Lorimar Television

Great idea, Eights! Whats everyone doing for the holidays?

Spending time with family.

[RetroGuy2000]

Originally Posted by Lorimar Television

Great idea, Eights! Whats everyone doing for the holidays?

Getting caught up on all the stuff I should have done earlier in the year. spending time with family. Prepping for a new job.