Indians Get a Bad Rap

[Scrabjan1]

Aside from Indian Giver Beaver says he doesn’t want to be an Indian Promiser in Borrowed Boat.

He doesn’t want to be an Indian Trader in Beaver’s Rat.

Larry tells Beaver he isn’t an Indian Asker in Found Money. Now they would say Native American Asker. Just thought it was funny. I always said “Indian Giver.”

[stevea]

Indian giver was a common phrase heard back in the day. You hear and see this kind of stuff (the feathers, whoops, etc.) on Dennis the Menace, too.

I'm not the politically correct type, but it's probably good we have dropped usage of Indian giver. I do object when they skip episodes, pretending the stuff like stereotypes didn't exist. Like the Rifleman episode with the Chinese laundry stereotype--an episode with an otherwise good message.

[Scrabjan1]

In the Rifleman episode Waste when Micah, Lucas and Mark are trapped in the ghost town with Alphonzo, played by Vito Scotti, he is portrayed in the most heinous way as a cutthroat Mexican bandit with decayed teeth. He was excellent in the part but they still show that stereotype. I remember seeing that when I was young and being scared.

[tlc38tlc38]

Originally Posted by stevea

Indian giver was a common phrase heard back in the day. You hear and see this kind of stuff (the feathers, whoops, etc.) on Dennis the Menace, too.

I'm not the politically correct type, but it's probably good we have dropped usage of Indian giver. I do object when they skip episodes, pretending the stuff like stereotypes didn't exist. Like the Rifleman episode with the Chinese laundry stereotype--an episode with an otherwise good message.

I still say it and I’ve got Cherokee in me. I see nothing wrong with the phrase.

[stevea]

I stand corrected.

Waste When Micah sounds like another one MeTV would skip.

[Tankeryanker]

Jew them down and I got Gyped were other common racist sayings that were part of the mainstream.

[stevea]

Not exactly racist, but talking about items you didn't like as "Made in Japan" was a putdown, as were Helen Keller jokes, which were common back in the day, at least among the younger set in our area.

[Scrabjan1]

Beaver says “what a gyp” a lot in the later seasons. I tried to make gyp on Scrabble on line and no go. I tried to write spic and span in a post and it came out jumbled. Oh wow it’s there.

[Tankeryanker]

Spic and span is fine to say. Nothing racist about it. I don't know there is anything wrong with saying where something is made either.

[Tankeryanker]

Originally Posted by tlc38tlc38

I still say it and I’ve got Cherokee in me. I see nothing wrong with the phrase.

It supposedly is offensive

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_giver

"Indian giver" is an American expression, used to describe a person who gives a "gift" and later wants it back, or who expects something of equivalent worth in return for the item. The phrase is still in colloquial use to describe a negative act or shady business dealings.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...Indian%20Giver

Indian Giver
Someone who makes a deal/plan/promise or gives a gift to someone. Then, when it is at the other person advantage/gets what they want/needs to go back on what they said in order to get what they want, without regard to the other party, immediately goes back on their word/promise or takes back whatever was given and leaves the other person completely f%$^#

[stevea]

Originally Posted by Tankeryanker

Spic and span is fine to say. Nothing racist about it. I don't know there is anything wrong with saying where something is made either.

Spic and Span is even a cleaning product which is probably still made.

The "Made in Japan" thing in the 50s and 60s was meant to be derogatory, about some cheap product or doodad. Not really that big a deal, since it's kind of naturally disappeared from usage, instead of being expunged by the PC police.

"Gypped"--there were tons of silly episodes involving Gypsies, back in the day. Probably one of the worst was an Andy Griffith color episode.

[Scrabjan1]

I remember that Andy Griffith episode with Gypsies. Really bad. They always had them as fortune tellers.

As for Spic and Span they didn’t like the first part. Derogatory for characters like Chuey. Anyway the word came out all jumbled back on TV Land message boards.

[stevea]

Funny, they just played a Dennis the Menace today, with Gypsies. Another klunker episode. Somehow LITB steered clear of it.

[stevea]

Originally Posted by Scrabjan1

I remember that Andy Griffith episode with Gypsies. Really bad. They always had them as fortune tellers.

As for Spic and Span they didn’t like the first part. Derogatory for characters like Chuey. Anyway the word came out all jumbled back on TV Land message boards.

Yeah, "spic" was definitely derogatory. Another word that kind of just faded from usage, fortunately.

[Tankeryanker]

Spic alone would have been wrong, but not spic and span. That saying had been around for a century at least. Long before anybody thought about referring to Hispanics as spics.