Lizzie Borden -- UNSOLVED?? - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

AriadneHaze · 01-09-2018, 01:10 PM

I understand that Lizzie Borden was found not guilty of the murders of her father and stepmother, but does anyone really consider this a "mystery"? It's pretty obvious to me that Lizzie did it. I'm not sure this story belonged on the program. Anyone else?

bell83 · 01-09-2018, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AriadneHaze

I understand that Lizzie Borden was found not guilty of the murders of her father and stepmother, but does anyone really consider this a "mystery"? It's pretty obvious to me that Lizzie did it. I'm not sure this story belonged on the program. Anyone else?

I agree that she most likely did it. I guess the argument could be made for it being on the show in the same way that In Search Of did some of their shows, where their aim was to provide "some possible explanations, but not necessarily the only ones" to the stories they chronicled. I could go either way with it. Could it have been left off? Definitely.

LooksLikeCRicci · 01-09-2018, 01:44 PM

Whatever, y'all. Christina Ricci starred in the Lifetime movie "Lizzie Borden Took an Ax."

Boom. Innocent.

...okay, I'm kidding. Yes, the evidence would suggest that Lizzie killed her parents.

AriadneHaze · 01-09-2018, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LooksLikeCRicci

Whatever, y'all. Christina Ricci starred in the Lifetime movie "Lizzie Borden Took an Ax."

Boom. Innocent.

...okay, I'm kidding. Yes, the evidence would suggest that Lizzie killed her parents.

Christina Ricci doesn't look strong enough to lift that axe, never mind kill anyone with it!

bell83 · 01-09-2018, 03:07 PM

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Christina Ricci doesn't look strong enough to lift that axe, never mind kill anyone with it!

She can kill ME with it...

Dear God, THAT'S where I go with it?

WishfulDreamer · 01-14-2018, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AriadneHaze

I understand that Lizzie Borden was found not guilty of the murders of her father and stepmother, but does anyone really consider this a "mystery"? It's pretty obvious to me that Lizzie did it. I'm not sure this story belonged on the program. Anyone else?

I interpreted this segment as being more about paranormal phenomena at the inn, rather than the question of Lizzie's guilt or innocence.

I wish the segment had gone into more detail about why she was acquitted and more evidence, though. That would have been pretty interesting.

Janel "Jaycee" Miller · 01-15-2018, 10:05 PM

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I interpreted this segment as being more about paranormal phenomena at the inn, rather than the question of Lizzie's guilt or innocence.

I wish the segment had gone into more detail about why she was acquitted and more evidence, though. That would have been pretty interesting.

I toured the house this summer (nothing paranormal happened while I was there, and I do believe in that sort of thing).

I am thinking our tour guide mentioned a friend or family member of the Bordens who was in town the
same time the murders took place. His back story would probably have been enough to cast reasonable doubt. I am sorry to say I don't remember more specifics right now but will post again if I do. I might also do some googling to refresh my memory.

TheCars1986 · 01-16-2018, 08:41 AM

I went through a Lizzie Borden museum in Salem, MA years ago where you walk through and they presented evidence in favor of her guilt and innocence, and at the end you were supposed to say whether or not you thought she was guilty. There was just too many coincidences to believe someone other than Lizzie committed the murders.

Hot Jock · 01-16-2018, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I went through a Lizzie Borden museum in Salem, MA years ago where you walk through and they presented evidence in favor of her guilt and innocence, and at the end you were supposed to say whether or not you thought she was guilty. There was just too many coincidences to believe someone other than Lizzie committed the murders.

She totally killed her parents. A combination of good lawyering and an uneducated jury got her off the hook.

charmedsignora · 01-16-2018, 03:10 PM

Has anyone actually gotten a psychic to go through the Bordens' house and ask them who killed them, and where we might find some evidence? Isn't that part of what mediums do?

I'm not an expert, but I believe that this can be solvable if these spirits are as active as everyone says they are!

PracTz · 01-16-2018, 05:12 PM

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She totally killed her parents. A combination of good lawyering and an uneducated jury got her off the hook.

I agree. Moreover, I recall one program that postulated that she took all her clothes off, killed them, then bathed in the 'dry sink' in the basement to get rid of the blood [and said sink tested positive for blood via lumenol]. Yet, they ignored the fact that Mr. Borden had been a taxidermist so that could have been been why the sink tested positive AND that Miss Borden had been seen burning a dress that had 'gotten paint on it' after the murders!

Let's just say that I don't think that was the first or last time a lawyer convincing a jury that an accused murderer was every bit as nice and innocent as their own family members got an actual murderer from being convicted.

charmedsignora · 01-18-2018, 02:19 PM

I remember reading a book about this case a while ago (I can't remember the title, but I just picked it out of the library), and the author's foreward was very interesting. He noted that the only reason Lizzie Borden was found innocent was probably because the jury refused to believe that a child was capable of killing her parents. That kind of thing just didn't happen in America, or so they would have liked to have thought.

soilentgreen · 01-18-2018, 07:12 PM

I think that she was acquitted in part because while she seems to have lied at the inquest, she didn't take the stand at trial and could not be cross examined about inconsistencies in those prior statements. The prussic acid purchase was deemed inadmissible as well. It's a case where you can believe someone was guilty but proving it in court is another matter.

RobinW · 01-19-2018, 10:09 AM

Virtually everything points to Lizzie's guilt aside from the fact that there was no blood found on her dress after the murders. I've seen at least two made-for-TV movies about the case (one from the 1970s, the other a fairly recent one with Christina Ricci) which try to account for this by showing hypothetical reenactments of Lizzie performing the murders in the nude, though the police not checking Lizzie thoroughly for blood and her burning the dress days later are equally plausible explanations.

LooksLikeCRicci · 01-26-2018, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I went through a Lizzie Borden museum in Salem, MA years ago where you walk through and they presented evidence in favor of her guilt and innocence, and at the end you were supposed to say whether or not you thought she was guilty. There was just too many coincidences to believe someone other than Lizzie committed the murders.

That is fascinating. Is it still open? I'd like to check that out sometime...

01-09-2018, 01:10 PM	#1
AriadneHaze Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Dec 06, 2017 Location: St. Louis Posts: 32	Lizzie Borden -- UNSOLVED?? I understand that Lizzie Borden was found not guilty of the murders of her father and stepmother, but does anyone really consider this a "mystery"? It's pretty obvious to me that Lizzie did it. I'm not sure this story belonged on the program. Anyone else?

01-16-2018, 03:10 PM	#10
charmedsignora Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 31, 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 204	Has anyone actually gotten a psychic to go through the Bordens' house and ask them who killed them, and where we might find some evidence? Isn't that part of what mediums do? I'm not an expert, but I believe that this can be solvable if these spirits are as active as everyone says they are!
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01-09-2018, 01:44 PM	#3
LooksLikeCRicci Likes to live in a clean house Moderator Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 4,050	Whatever, y'all. Christina Ricci starred in the Lifetime movie "Lizzie Borden Took an Ax." Boom. Innocent. ...okay, I'm kidding. Yes, the evidence would suggest that Lizzie killed her parents.

01-16-2018, 08:41 AM	#8
TheCars1986 #VLSKMS Forum Fanatic Join Date: Nov 22, 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 8,613	I went through a Lizzie Borden museum in Salem, MA years ago where you walk through and they presented evidence in favor of her guilt and innocence, and at the end you were supposed to say whether or not you thought she was guilty. There was just too many coincidences to believe someone other than Lizzie committed the murders.

01-18-2018, 02:19 PM	#12
charmedsignora Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 31, 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 204	I remember reading a book about this case a while ago (I can't remember the title, but I just picked it out of the library), and the author's foreward was very interesting. He noted that the only reason Lizzie Borden was found innocent was probably because the jury refused to believe that a child was capable of killing her parents. That kind of thing just didn't happen in America, or so they would have liked to have thought.

01-18-2018, 07:12 PM	#13
soilentgreen Member Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 13, 2005 Posts: 622	I think that she was acquitted in part because while she seems to have lied at the inquest, she didn't take the stand at trial and could not be cross examined about inconsistencies in those prior statements. The prussic acid purchase was deemed inadmissible as well. It's a case where you can believe someone was guilty but proving it in court is another matter.

01-19-2018, 10:09 AM	#14
RobinW Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2010 Posts: 1,874	Virtually everything points to Lizzie's guilt aside from the fact that there was no blood found on her dress after the murders. I've seen at least two made-for-TV movies about the case (one from the 1970s, the other a fairly recent one with Christina Ricci) which try to account for this by showing hypothetical reenactments of Lizzie performing the murders in the nude, though the police not checking Lizzie thoroughly for blood and her burning the dress days later are equally plausible explanations.