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Mike82 · 11-09-2017, 10:04 AM

I have seen plenty of discussion about how angry many of the criminals on this show make us but what about the ones who you feel some degree of sympathy for. Not saying they deserve a get out of jail free card but maybe they aren't as bad as portrayed

The name that comes to mind immediately is Eddie Wooten from the Cheryl Holland segment. He came across as someone who was very naïve, easily fooled and didn't fully grasp what he did. As far as I see it, Cheryl deserved a far harsher sentence than he did.

TheCars1986 · 11-09-2017, 12:20 PM

Great and very interesting topic.

For me it's probably Garey Goff from the Ann Sigmin segment. I think she manipulated both him and Charlie Sigmin throughout their relationships. It's possible that he didn't even know that he had a warrant out for his arrest prior to the UM airing of the segment, since the original unedited segment seemed to indicate that law enforcement officials believed that Goff could have shot Charlie in self defense. In any event, he turned himself in after viewing the segment and plead guilty. And then he publicly appealed for Ann Sigmin to turn herself in, which she never has. So to a certain degree, I do feel some form of sympathy or compassion for him.

bell83 · 11-09-2017, 12:39 PM

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Great and very interesting topic.

For me it's probably Garey Goff from the Ann Sigmin segment. I think she manipulated both him and Charlie Sigmin throughout their relationships. It's possible that he didn't even know that he had a warrant out for his arrest prior to the UM airing of the segment, since the original unedited segment seemed to indicate that law enforcement officials believed that Goff could have shot Charlie in self defense. In any event, he turned himself in after viewing the segment and plead guilty. And then he publicly appealed for Ann Sigmin to turn herself in, which she never has. So to a certain degree, I do feel some form of sympathy or compassion for him.

You know...I was hard-pressed to think of one. But yes. I agree with that.

xxxxmattxxxx69 · 11-09-2017, 07:34 PM

Michael Scott Martin

wiseguy182 · 11-10-2017, 06:30 AM

None of them.

TheCars1986 · 11-10-2017, 07:56 AM

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Michael Scott Martin

You think he actually committed the robbery?

Mike82 · 11-10-2017, 08:30 AM

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Michael Scott Martin

Even if he was guilty (which I have little doubt he is innocent), I am still in disbelief in the sentence he got even for Texas. Goodness, people who ruthlessly murder multiple innocent victims get less prison time here in Canada.

Another name I thought of was Margo Freshwater. The fact that she lived a 'normal' life after escaping prison is no surprise, not even to the authorities. She might have been guilty for being stupid and naive, but I don't see as her a cold blooded killer committing first degree murder. Of course, you could point out she DID break out of prison but any sane, normal person in her situation would too. No matter what way you slice it, she got a ridiculously long sentence.

xxxxmattxxxx69 · 11-10-2017, 12:40 PM

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You think he actually committed the robbery?

I don't think he committed the robbery but the supermarket incident from a month prior was what got him convicted to the life sentence so he wasn't perfect to the law

MegtheEgg86 · 11-11-2017, 10:40 AM

I only count this one because there was an update on Amazon and the killer was unknown through the entirety of the original UM run. I don't feel sorry for him per se, but if I had to choose I would say Eric Windhurst, the killer of Danny Paquette.

I'm certainly not an advocate for revenge murder or vigilante action--or even the death penalty, for that matter--but I can be sympathetic to wanting to have some sense of justice about Paquette sexually abusing his stepdaughter. It will never be right under any circumstance, but I do think it came from a place of wanting to protect his friend.

wiseguy182 · 11-14-2017, 12:34 PM

I think I may have thought of one: Whoever killed Tom Kueter (assuming someone did. I wasn't aware South Dakota police closed this one last year, ruling his death a suicide, however his wife collected on his benefits, so I think there's still some uncertainty).

I have always believed Kueter was responsible for the murder of Tina Marcotte and I believe he got what was coming to him.

And on that note, I remember someone suggesting that Ken McElroy's unsolved murder would have made a good one for UM, but I strongly disagree with that statement. Ken McElroy was among other things, a child rapist and arsonist who constantly taunted and threatened the police. That is one unsolved murder I am perfectly content to see go unsolved.

asmitty · 11-14-2017, 03:31 PM

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I've always felt a little sorry for Chad Noe. It always seemed to me that Chad was weak willed and his mother and grandmother basically ran his life. He's definitely an evil SOB who obviously participated in the deaths of Wendy, Cynthia, and Lisa, but I just don't know how much choice he had in that after a life spent under Beverly and Ida's influence.

bell83 · 11-14-2017, 09:22 PM

Maria Armstrong. It was clear she needed psychiatric help, and was not getting it.

amandab1234 · 11-16-2017, 12:02 AM

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This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I've always felt a little sorry for Chad Noe. It always seemed to me that Chad was weak willed and his mother and grandmother basically ran his life. He's definitely an evil SOB who obviously participated in the deaths of Wendy, Cynthia, and Lisa, but I just don't know how much choice he had in that after a life spent under Beverly and Ida's influence.

I felt this with Paul Pollis. His in laws especially the MIL seemed like a nightmare to deal with. While I think he’s an arrogant SOB, I don’t think he murdered Charlotte

asmitty · 11-16-2017, 12:39 PM

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I felt this with Paul Pollis. His in laws especially the MIL seemed like a nightmare to deal with. While I think he’s an arrogant SOB, I don’t think he murdered Charlotte

While I disagree about Paul's guilt, I do agree that Charlotte's mother was a nightmare to deal with. I would not have wanted her for a mother-in-law.

RobinW · 11-16-2017, 01:43 PM

If wonder if the killer of Father John Kerrigan might fit into this category, given that one of the most prominent theories is that this was a vigilante killing brought by Kerrigan's alleged history of sexual abuse and the killer might have been one of his victims or a relative of a victim.

11-09-2017, 10:04 AM	#1
Mike82 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Oct 19, 2017 Posts: 299	"Bad Guys" You Felt Sorry For? I have seen plenty of discussion about how angry many of the criminals on this show make us but what about the ones who you feel some degree of sympathy for. Not saying they deserve a get out of jail free card but maybe they aren't as bad as portrayed The name that comes to mind immediately is Eddie Wooten from the Cheryl Holland segment. He came across as someone who was very naïve, easily fooled and didn't fully grasp what he did. As far as I see it, Cheryl deserved a far harsher sentence than he did.

11-10-2017, 06:30 AM	#5
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	None of them.
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11-11-2017, 10:40 AM	#9
MegtheEgg86 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Jun 19, 2008 Location: The Volunteer State Posts: 5,156	I only count this one because there was an update on Amazon and the killer was unknown through the entirety of the original UM run. I don't feel sorry for him per se, but if I had to choose I would say Eric Windhurst, the killer of Danny Paquette. I'm certainly not an advocate for revenge murder or vigilante action--or even the death penalty, for that matter--but I can be sympathetic to wanting to have some sense of justice about Paquette sexually abusing his stepdaughter. It will never be right under any circumstance, but I do think it came from a place of wanting to protect his friend.
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11-09-2017, 12:20 PM	#2
TheCars1986 #VLSKMS Forum Fanatic Join Date: Nov 22, 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 8,614	Great and very interesting topic. For me it's probably Garey Goff from the Ann Sigmin segment. I think she manipulated both him and Charlie Sigmin throughout their relationships. It's possible that he didn't even know that he had a warrant out for his arrest prior to the UM airing of the segment, since the original unedited segment seemed to indicate that law enforcement officials believed that Goff could have shot Charlie in self defense. In any event, he turned himself in after viewing the segment and plead guilty. And then he publicly appealed for Ann Sigmin to turn herself in, which she never has. So to a certain degree, I do feel some form of sympathy or compassion for him.

11-09-2017, 07:34 PM	#4
xxxxmattxxxx69 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 12, 2010 Location: MA Posts: 398	Michael Scott Martin

11-14-2017, 12:34 PM	#10
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	I think I may have thought of one: Whoever killed Tom Kueter (assuming someone did. I wasn't aware South Dakota police closed this one last year, ruling his death a suicide, however his wife collected on his benefits, so I think there's still some uncertainty). I have always believed Kueter was responsible for the murder of Tina Marcotte and I believe he got what was coming to him. And on that note, I remember someone suggesting that Ken McElroy's unsolved murder would have made a good one for UM, but I strongly disagree with that statement. Ken McElroy was among other things, a child rapist and arsonist who constantly taunted and threatened the police. That is one unsolved murder I am perfectly content to see go unsolved.

11-14-2017, 03:31 PM	#11
asmitty Member Forum Regular Join Date: Feb 01, 2007 Location: South Dakota Posts: 523	This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I've always felt a little sorry for Chad Noe. It always seemed to me that Chad was weak willed and his mother and grandmother basically ran his life. He's definitely an evil SOB who obviously participated in the deaths of Wendy, Cynthia, and Lisa, but I just don't know how much choice he had in that after a life spent under Beverly and Ida's influence.

11-14-2017, 09:22 PM	#12
bell83 You're in high school again. Senior Member Join Date: Oct 05, 2006 Posts: 1,033	Maria Armstrong. It was clear she needed psychiatric help, and was not getting it.

11-16-2017, 01:43 PM	#15
RobinW Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2010 Posts: 1,874	If wonder if the killer of Father John Kerrigan might fit into this category, given that one of the most prominent theories is that this was a vigilante killing brought by Kerrigan's alleged history of sexual abuse and the killer might have been one of his victims or a relative of a victim.