Unsolved Mysteries Left some important Stuff out of the Keith Warren segment!!

[BDR]

I actually saw the police report as it was posted online some years ago.

1. Keith Warren was suicidal and had been hospitalized for suicidal idealizations.
2. His father refused to buy him a car or have is car repaired and he was upset about it. Keith was starting college and wanted to have a car. This dispute between he and his father occurred 1 day or 2 before the incident.
3. His father was a law enforcement officer yet he never did any interviews. He knew his son was suicidal and said as much in his statement to law enforcement.
4. The family seemed to have no problem believing it was a suicide until the pictures arrived. If it was totally against his nature why wasn't it refuted at the start. They knew that he was suicidal.

I am not saying that UM did anything wrong but they obviously had access to this information. Again the tell tell sign to me was that they accepted it so easily early on. I just feel like UM presented this in a certain way. It is not as open and shut as they would have the viewer to believe. Not saying he killed himself or was murdered but I am leaning towards suicide personally.

[LooksLikeCRicci]

Originally Posted by BDR

I actually saw the police report as it was posted online some years ago.

1. Keith Warren was suicidal and had been hospitalized for suicidal idealizations.
2. His father refused to buy him a car or have is car repaired and he was upset about it. Keith was starting college and wanted to have a car. This dispute between he and his father occurred 1 day or 2 before the incident.
3. His father was a law enforcement officer yet he never did any interviews. He knew his son was suicidal and said as much in his statement to law enforcement.
4. The family seemed to have no problem believing it was a suicide until the pictures arrived. If it was totally against his nature why wasn't it refuted at the start. They knew that he was suicidal.

I am not saying that UM did anything wrong but they obviously had access to this information. Again the tell tell sign to me was that they accepted it so easily early on. I just feel like UM presented this in a certain way. It is not as open and shut as they would have the viewer to believe. Not saying he killed himself or was murdered but I am leaning towards suicide personally.

Thanks for summing this information up. The Cars had mentioned it, but it got buried in the original Keith Warren thread.

It's certainly some interesting tidbits, to say the least...

[cdr369]

For further reading:

http://www.thekeithwarrenjusticesite.com/

and

https://www.facebook.com/keith.w.warren

I have no opinion on the matter. However I did read a blog post where his sister said her brother was never suicidal, and only had panic attacks. And then I have read elsewhere where he was suicidal and had been to a hospital, and that the father even believed the death to be a suicide.

Edit: Actually, for further reading, just go here: http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...d.php?t=157104

[PracTz]

What was odd re UM's presentation is that they totally ignored Mr. Warren's father -portraying the family as though the senior Mr. Warren had been completely out of the picture long before his son's death. Not only was nothing mentioned about Keith wanting a car and his father refusing but nothing whatsoever about his father beyond the parents splitting up when Keith and his sister were small. They didn't even depict Mr. Warren at the funeral! It would have been one thing had they just said 'we asked Mr. Warren for his participation but he refused' but that's not what they did! If the senior Mr. Warren is living, I hope that he and Keith's surviving sister at least have tried to be civil to each other even if they disagree re possible Keith's cause of death given that there seems to be no one else left in their family.

[keith warren]

Originally Posted by BDR

I actually saw the police report as it was posted online some years ago.

1. Keith Warren was suicidal and had been hospitalized for suicidal idealizations.
2. His father refused to buy him a car or have is car repaired and he was upset about it. Keith was starting college and wanted to have a car. This dispute between he and his father occurred 1 day or 2 before the incident.
3. His father was a law enforcement officer yet he never did any interviews. He knew his son was suicidal and said as much in his statement to law enforcement.
4. The family seemed to have no problem believing it was a suicide until the pictures arrived. If it was totally against his nature why wasn't it refuted at the start. They knew that he was suicidal.

I am not saying that UM did anything wrong but they obviously had access to this information. Again the tell tell sign to me was that they accepted it so easily early on. I just feel like UM presented this in a certain way. It is not as open and shut as they would have the viewer to believe. Not saying he killed himself or was murdered but I am leaning towards suicide personally.

You are incorrect and need to fact check your source. "TheCars1986" has used this forum to mis quote me and put lies and half truths to make his point and now you are part of his plan. Please see below my response to his inaccurate points:

If we're going to be honest about cases, let's look at some facts that conveniently get ignored: - PLEASE BE ACCURATE IN THE INFORMATION YOU SHARE

-Keith suffered a "nervous breakdown" (as described by his father) after his parents divorced, and he was hospitalized for four days. -Incorrect Keith suffered a anxieity attack caused by my fathers 2nd wife I have documented proof on the website...Please be accurate in information you share

-Keith moved from North Carolina (where he lived with his father) to Maryland to live with his mother after the hospitalization.- Incorrect Keith moved from Maryland in 1985 to NC to bond with my father and my fathers 2nd wife as a mean and vindictive woman. Keith lived with my dad in NC for 9months- again please be accurate in your information

-Keith's dad bought him a car- incorrect ,The car was one my dad brought in 1976 and preserved it for Keith. which his mother did not approve of. - correct my mother believed the car would attract the wrong crowd.

-Keith was fired from his job on July 21st. - Incorrect- I have a affidavit from employer which states he was not fired. This was a lie from the patrol officer. It took Officer Leverette 5hrs to notify my mother her son was dead when she was only 20min away because he went to Keiths job, the 7-11, and hardware store before he notified mother

-Keith's father called him on July 29th and told him he was taking the car away. His father said he was coming up on the 31st to take the car away. - Incorrect- My father called to discuss transferring the insurance into Keith's name- at this point you are regurgitating everything from the police report. The only issue is you have not mention the Detective used information from a third party, unnamed, unrelated, unidentified source to obtain the information on the police report. So just like the police you are using "HEARSAY" to determine cause of death and then use the "HEARSAY" information to justify sending Keith's body to the funeral home of his choice and no autopsy.

-Keith's car insurance was due on July 31st. - correct

-His mother told the police that she last saw Keith on the 29th. - Correct

-Keith's body was found on the 31st. - His body was found however because of no autopsy or lividity test done there is no definitive date or cause of death.

-Two men were named in the note given to Keith's mother. Mark Finley and another man who's name UM omitted. The other man is still alive today. - correct

-Mark Finley died on a bike path in Wheaton, MD during a early morning bike ride. His front tire fell off and he fell and sustained fatal head injuries. Finley's hands did not have any injuries to them, which many found odd, since if he fell off of his bike, the natural reaction would be to brace yourself from a fall with your hands. But this works both ways. If Finley was followed and beaten to death, where are his defensive wounds? - Incorrect-Marks body was found behind his bike and witness( paramedic who responded to the scene and who have signed affidavit that in their opinion it was NOT accident) the document is on the website

-Keith's mother reached out to both Finley and the other man after she got the threatening note. Finley called her back and left his "unload" voicemail. But he never called her back. He died a month after he left the voicemail. - You failed to mention the part about how I took the tape to MCMPD and gave it to Detective Beasley and the tape is now missing...

-The paramedic who responded to the 911 call said in a sworn affidavit that he was responding to a call about a "possible attempted suicide by hanging". While the paramedic does believe that Keith's death was not a suicide, he also never mentions anything about there being a call about a suicide in a basement or residence. - Incorrect- he told both my mother and our private investigator the first time it came over his radio the explanation was the body was in the basement of the house. You also failed to mention the same paramedic said he walked around Keith's body for 10min trying to figure out how Keith would have used 2 trees and 2 ropes to hang himself and couldn't find nothing. You also failed to mention how the same paramedic signed affidavit that he believed Keith was strung up on the tree. The document is on the website..

-No bruises, cuts, or abrasions were found on Keith's body. - correct

-High traces of TCE was found in Keith's body after it was exhumed. TCE is (or was) common in embalming fluid. Incorrect- per my mother's investigation and the paperwork from Colins funeral home "TCE" was NOT used in their "Power Pack" when they embalmed Keith's body.

So taking all of this into account, if you don't subscribe to suicide as a possibility, Keith had to have been murdered roughly a week after he lost his job and on the same day his father told him he was coming to take his car away.[/QUOTE] – using half truths and alternative facts prove to me you either work for MCMPD or are affiliated. Anyone wanting to know fact which are backed up with documentation please visit www.TheKeithWarrenJusticesite.com


"WHAT AT 130 ON THE AFTERNOON OF JULY 31ST DID DETECTIVE BEASLEY SEE AT THAT CRIME SCENE TO CLASSIFY IT AS A SUICIDE AND THEN SEND THE BODY TO THE FUNERAL HOME OF HIS CHOICE ORDERING NO AUTOPSY?"

[keith warren]

Originally Posted by PracTz

What was odd re UM's presentation is that they totally ignored Mr. Warren's father -portraying the family as though the senior Mr. Warren had been completely out of the picture long before his son's death. Not only was nothing mentioned about Keith wanting a car and his father refusing but nothing whatsoever about his father beyond the parents splitting up when Keith and his sister were small. They didn't even depict Mr. Warren at the funeral! It would have been one thing had they just said 'we asked Mr. Warren for his participation but he refused' but that's not what they did! If the senior Mr. Warren is living, I hope that he and Keith's surviving sister at least have tried to be civil to each other even if they disagree re possible Keith's cause of death given that there seems to be no one else left in their family.

- My father made the decision to not involve himself actively in the pursuit and I respect his privacy. Please fact check your source before you make a decision and read the information for yourself. www.TheKeithWarrenJusticesite.com

[keith warren]

[QUOTE=LooksLikeCRicci]Thanks for summing this information up. The Cars had mentioned it, but it got buried in the original Keith Warren thread.

It's certainly some interesting tidbits, to say the least... - Please be mindful of the source for the information shared. Im not exactly sure the motive for "TheCars1986" and "BDR" is and why do they find the need to put mis-information and mis-quote me to make their points which I have addressed in the most recent threads/posts directly. Please visit www.TheKeithWarrenJusticesite.com for documentation and more FACTUAL information.

[comicbookwriter]

Originally Posted by keith warren

- My father made the decision to not involve himself actively in the pursuit and I respect his privacy. Please fact check your source before you make a decision and read the information for yourself. www.TheKeithWarrenJusticesite.com

Thank you for putting the correct information up.

One of the sadder things about the Unsolved Mysteries fanbase is that there's a small (but active) element that contains bigots. Specifically those who dislike and hate African-Americans.

You'll notice that the same posters will show up in cases where there is clearly a shady racial component to the death or disappearance of Black citizens. Whether it be a jailhouse hanging or a bizarre situation like Keith's, these people will do everything they can to discount or dismiss the reality of racism and bigotry as a motivator for crime.

Keep up the good work and I pray that justice will someday be found for Keith.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by comicbookwriter

You'll notice that the same posters will show up in cases where there is clearly a shady racial component to the death or disappearance of Black citizens. Whether it be a jailhouse hanging or a bizarre situation like Keith's, these people will do everything they can to discount or dismiss the reality of racism and bigotry as a motivator for crime.

This better not be in reference to me. Here's a spoiler alert: black people can and do commit suicide. I hold the same skepticism on Keith Warren (as well as Andre Jones) that I do on other cases like Jeffrey Digman, Hargrove/Carmichael, Tony Lombardi, Tommy Burkett, Charles Morgan, etc. God forbid I hold an opinion that goes against the grain of a case that has a "shady racial component". Let's run down some examples of me doing my best to "discount or dismiss the reality of racism and bigotry" over the years:

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

After re-reading portions of Fatal Flaw, I started to feel bad about the way that Charlie Mays has been cast as this shadowy murderer for the past 40 years. And it makes me sick to my stomach to realize that this rich white guy had used these poor black men (and sometimes women) in this bizarre scheme to set them up as the "Ski Mask Bandits" (who were coincidentally black men terrorizing the area at the time, but they were later caught and had no connection to the Zeigler store murders).

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Originally Posted by TheCars1986

Remember the time period this was filmed in. They didn't want people unnecessarily being afraid of being kidnapped and brutally attacked based off of someone's race. Although I'm not quite sure how far we've come since then.

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Originally Posted by TheCars1986

Talk about being railroaded! This just goes to show you how reliable eye witness acounts are in a case. I think Tony should have been allowed to get one good punch in on the manager of the restaurant. The guy put an innocent man away for eight years because he was "certain" he was the man who robbed him. Even after this Clark guy confessed repeatedly, he couldn't get a new trial. That assistant prosecutor was kind of a douche in the segment too. He seemed so sure that because two people identified Tony, there was no room for doubt in this case. Even though Tony and Clark resembled each other in height, weight, and all around general appearance. I hope Tony got some sort of compensation for being in prison for a crime he did not commit.

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Originally Posted by TheCars1986

The unwarranted murder of O'Neal Moore always upset me. Killed for the color of his skin as well as the four teenage boys who were targeted in a road rage incident that left one dead. Then there was the one of the elderly lady who was murdered and tied up to a tree close to her house. And the older black gentleman (can't remember his name, think it was George something) who was disoriented and missing who's car was found abandoned with a bundle of sticks in the backseat. And anytime there was a murder were the victim was at the wrong place at the wrong time, they always scared/bothered me.

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Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I'll have to respectfully disagree about racism playing a factor, at least in the Andre Jones case. The police spokesman interviewed constantly complemented Jones in the segment, and went on to say how shocked he was at how cooperative and willing he was to talk to them. IMO, Jones didn't want his family to find out he was hanging out with shady characters, and unfortunately hung himself. I do think it's possible in the Keith Warren case that the police may have scoffed at digging deeper because he was black, but IIRC, wasn't Keith and his family from a upper-middle class area? Silver Spring isn't exactly a low income area.

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[LakeForestPI]

Mr Cars, no reason to be so defensive. I think you're a lot of things but as far as this forum goes I have to say you're very consistent and straight down the middle. When a family member of a case subject is on the forum and they are extremely emotional it puts one in a tough spot. When people are so emotional to the point they are irrational, no evidence, logic or reason will satisfy them. I agree with your points and conclusions on this particular case and I think other unbiased people on this forum do as well. But its a no win situation when trying to get things across to family members that pop up on this forum.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by LakeForestPI

Mr Cars, no reason to be so defensive. I think you're a lot of things but as far as this forum goes I have to say you're very consistent and straight down the middle.

[keith warren]

I please ask everyone to take time and read through the information both past (from my mom) and present. As of 2014 new information/documentation received from MCMPD provided proof the detective used hearsay to classify Keith's death as a suicide. Please see below a list of questions to consider:

1. If Keith had ID on him, Leverette had no business speaking to neighbors or showing death photos of deceased. Because at that point ID was not in question—only Death Notification procedures remained. Why did he go to my neighbor’s house and show her a picture of Keith and identify Keith prior to notifying next of kin? Was this policy/procedure in1986?

2. Did MCMPD have a Victim’s Advocate Unit at the time of this incident? From what I understand VAU is supposed to go with a law enforcement officer to family for death notifications. Also, in researching other states and counties, police departments usually do not make death notifications—a sheriff office will do this. I would like to see the policy/procedure in 1986 for Death Notification however supposedly there is no copy of this manual anywhere in the county.

3. If Beasley was on the scene, Leverette, as the initial / first officer on scene handed the scene over to Beasley. So, if Beasley showed up, any investigation of the body, the scene, etc., is the responsibility of Beasley and not Leverette. Beasley should have made the next of kin notification. Why did Leverette go around the neighbor, 711, Hechinger’s, and Keith’s job flashing around a death photo and letting non-family members know of Keith’s death when they had no need to know? Was this policy/procedure of the department?

4. From my understanding that photo of Keith Leverette was using to show everyone was physical evidence and should have been treated as such. Please show me in the Policy and Procedure manual where it was ok for Leverette to carry around evidence and show it to people. Was this policy/procedure

5. There were several violations of procedure, carelessness, lack of judgment on the part of Leverette: scene not taped off, no investigation done to confirm suicide vs. homicide, no autopsy/tox performed, next-of-kin not notified right away, several people notified before my mom, body hastily embalmed w/o ID or authorization of next-of-kin. This was proven in the notes received in 2014 where Beasley noted he called Collins funeral home at 10am and was told “the body was processed”. Was this policy/procedure in 1986? Why was this allowed and was there any disciplinary actions taken against Beasley or Leverette?

6. Why was Leverette doing the interview with my mother rather than Beasley? Was this policy/procedure?

7. During his time with my mom Leverette did not ask for a witness to comfort my mom. A witness is not necessary when interviewing someone. However, asking the grieving if there is someone they can call—PRIOR TO NOTIFICATION—that person would have been there to comfort my mom. This shows Leverette was not versed in interviewing a grieving person. And MCMPD should have known that & not allowed Leverette to do any of the actions he has taken after leaving the scene.


8. Whatever information my mom gave Leverette about Keith should NOT have been taken as fact since it was ONLY hearsay / guessing / opinion. Yes, she was his mother but mothers have bias just like everyone else and they are NOT the best person to ask when it comes to what their children did / did not do or what they were or were not into.
* In other words, everything my mom told Leverette should have been taken with a grain of salt and not as factual information used to determine whether it was a suicide or a homicide.

9. Where was Beasley? Why was Beasley not around and that no one required body identification prior to his body going to the funeral home? From my understanding the photo should not have stood as identification of body…. pictures lie, and from what I have read the grieving can see what is not there or not see what is there (ie: they can misidentify with pictures due to emotional state which is why identification of actual physical body is required….)