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Tankeryanker · 07-31-2017, 12:32 PM

How many times is a God or a religion mentioned in the show?

I know there was one episode where June was telling Beaver that God could see him all the time or something like that.

stevea · 07-31-2017, 01:40 PM

Yes...June says someone is always watching us, and Beaver talks about parents, teachers, etc., and June says someone else, and Beaver says you mean like God?
I just don't remember which episode, but someone will.

Other than that, Beaver and Larry were comparing notes on Sunday School (they evidently went to different churches) lessons in one episode.

Scrabjan1 · 07-31-2017, 06:34 PM

When June tells Beaver God is always watching I think that's Beaver's Bad Day after he tells them a dog ripped his pants.

Did Beaver say God must be busy he's got trouble with the Russians?

One of the Fletcher boys asked Wally and Beaver if they lie under a tree and think about God. (Grass is Always Greener)

stevea · 07-31-2017, 08:42 PM

Yeah, the trash man's kids were happy to lie on the grass and look up into the sky. Kind of nice.

The Russians comment was part of the dialogue with June, I think. I just thought it was a later episode.

Scrabjan1 · 08-01-2017, 07:39 PM

I believe in Beaver's Prize after he left the new bike at a church he and Larry talked about God. I think Beaver says if he hadn't won a bike no one would know he left the house and went to movies. Larry mentions how God made him win the bike because he was supposed to stay home. Something like that. Larry once again got Beaver to disobey his father.

MichaelMartinD · 08-07-2017, 08:34 AM

The episode was "Beaver and Kenneth" where June told Beaver about God watching over him. Beaver replies that he wouldn't want to upset God, because He has enough to worry about with the Russians and all. One of the funniest lines in the entire series, IMO.

Scrabjan1 · 08-07-2017, 11:32 AM

Oh yeah Beaver and Kenneth. In Beaver's Bad Day when he and Wally are walking home from Sunday school they talk about God watching them.

stevea · 09-12-2017, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrabjan1

When June tells Beaver God is always watching I think that's Beaver's Bad Day after he tells them a dog ripped his pants.

Well, we've solved this one. It's from Beaver and Kenneth.

stevea · 09-12-2017, 08:36 PM

Oops...sorry...didn't see the post above. You're supposed to be able to delete the posts, but I've never had it work.

Torgo · 09-15-2017, 12:21 PM

In the episode Beaver The Magician, when they're trying to convince Benji that Beaver wasn't turned into a rock and that he was away for the weekend at his aunt's. Ward has Benji talk to Beaver on the phone, Benji is still not convinced and when Ward asks Benji where he thinks where Beaver was talking to him from, Benji points up and says "Heaven"

tdr · 10-29-2017, 02:06 AM

Isn't it "Mother's Day Composition" in which Beaver writes a complete falsehood about June's past life, that Ward tells Beaver, "Son, we'd all like to have the most interesting parents in the world, but we just have to accept things as God give them to us"? And Beaver replies "Yeah, dad, that's what you told me once about that mole on my stomach." Wally adds, "He's not trying to be funny, dad, that's really what you told him."

As for religion generally, there are lots of those. One not mentioned yet is when Wally wants to buy a car, and he is thinking of a list of reasons to convince Ward, and one he says at the dinner table is that one Sunday their family car might break down and they can't get to church, so if he has a car that will be the 'spare' on Sunday. Ward, reflecting the issues of the time, says, "I don't it's fair to bring up the religious issues in this debate." This would have been 1962, when the Engal v. Vitale case and the Detlaf v Schremf case were before the Supreme Court, ending compulsory prayer and Bible reading in public schools-- this just a couple of years after the Presidential of campaign of 1960, when an issue was made of JFK possibly taking his orders from Rome as president, since he was Catholic.

Scrabjan1 · 10-31-2017, 08:53 AM

Jackie Kennedy had been quoted that the religious aspect really wasn’t an issue as Jack Kennedy wasn’t even religious but his brother, Bobby, was very Catholic.

I remember my second grade teacher reading from the Bible every morning in public school but that ended officially in 1963 after the Madeleine Murray O’Hair landmark case. Christmas celebration was outlawed too in public school but much later. Heck even Halloween parties offend people.

stevea · 10-31-2017, 03:53 PM

Yes, I think there is another thread where I said, in my school I remember reciting the Lord's Prayer. I'm not sure that was right, but when I compare the world of that day to the world of today...well...

Also, re the above post: there ought to be a law that says you do not have the right to not be offended.

Scrabjan1 · 11-01-2017, 08:46 AM

Another time religion is mentioned was in the one when Wally gets his license. Beaver tells June he said a prayer that Wally would pass his driving test.

MichaelMartinD · 11-03-2017, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tdr

Isn't it "Mother's Day Composition" in which Beaver writes a complete falsehood about June's past life, that Ward tells Beaver, "Son, we'd all like to have the most interesting parents in the world, but we just have to accept things as God give them to us"? And Beaver replies "Yeah, dad, that's what you told me once about that mole on my stomach." Wally adds, "He's not trying to be funny, dad, that's really what you told him."

As for religion generally, there are lots of those. One not mentioned yet is when Wally wants to buy a car, and he is thinking of a list of reasons to convince Ward, and one he says at the dinner table is that one Sunday their family car might break down and they can't get to church, so if he has a car that will be the 'spare' on Sunday. Ward, reflecting the issues of the time, says, "I don't it's fair to bring up the religious issues in this debate." This would have been 1962, when the Engal v. Vitale case and the Detlaf v Schremf case were before the Supreme Court, ending compulsory prayer and Bible reading in public schools-- this just a couple of years after the Presidential of campaign of 1960, when an issue was made of JFK possibly taking his orders from Rome as president, since he was Catholic.

Good historical insights, tdr.

We know that the Cleavers are churchgoers because going to church and/or Sunday school is mentioned in several episodes. However, the Cleavers are never shown in church, in contrast to FATHER KNOWS BEST where the Anderson family is shown in church (it appears to be a very "low-church" denomination, perhaps Unitarian) and THE ANDY GRIFFITH SHOW where we see the people of Mayberry in church (Baptist?) on several occasions. Not pinning the Cleavers down to a particular denomination was a smart move, in my opinion.

07-31-2017, 12:32 PM	#1
Tankeryanker Do you like my monkey picture? Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 22, 2014 Posts: 3,051	God/religion How many times is a God or a religion mentioned in the show? I know there was one episode where June was telling Beaver that God could see him all the time or something like that.

09-15-2017, 12:21 PM	#10
Torgo Omaha & Fritz Forum Star Join Date: Mar 06, 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 19,037	In the episode Beaver The Magician, when they're trying to convince Benji that Beaver wasn't turned into a rock and that he was away for the weekend at his aunt's. Ward has Benji talk to Beaver on the phone, Benji is still not convinced and when Ward asks Benji where he thinks where Beaver was talking to him from, Benji points up and says "Heaven"
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07-31-2017, 01:40 PM	#2
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,867	Yes...June says someone is always watching us, and Beaver talks about parents, teachers, etc., and June says someone else, and Beaver says you mean like God? I just don't remember which episode, but someone will. Other than that, Beaver and Larry were comparing notes on Sunday School (they evidently went to different churches) lessons in one episode.

07-31-2017, 06:34 PM	#3
Scrabjan1 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 27, 2013 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 3,521	When June tells Beaver God is always watching I think that's Beaver's Bad Day after he tells them a dog ripped his pants. Did Beaver say God must be busy he's got trouble with the Russians? One of the Fletcher boys asked Wally and Beaver if they lie under a tree and think about God. (Grass is Always Greener)

07-31-2017, 08:42 PM	#4
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,867	Yeah, the trash man's kids were happy to lie on the grass and look up into the sky. Kind of nice. The Russians comment was part of the dialogue with June, I think. I just thought it was a later episode.

08-01-2017, 07:39 PM	#5
Scrabjan1 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 27, 2013 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 3,521	I believe in Beaver's Prize after he left the new bike at a church he and Larry talked about God. I think Beaver says if he hadn't won a bike no one would know he left the house and went to movies. Larry mentions how God made him win the bike because he was supposed to stay home. Something like that. Larry once again got Beaver to disobey his father.

08-07-2017, 08:34 AM	#6
MichaelMartinD Member Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 23, 2013 Posts: 576	The episode was "Beaver and Kenneth" where June told Beaver about God watching over him. Beaver replies that he wouldn't want to upset God, because He has enough to worry about with the Russians and all. One of the funniest lines in the entire series, IMO.

08-07-2017, 11:32 AM	#7
Scrabjan1 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 27, 2013 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 3,521	Oh yeah Beaver and Kenneth. In Beaver's Bad Day when he and Wally are walking home from Sunday school they talk about God watching them.

09-12-2017, 08:36 PM	#9
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,867	Oops...sorry...didn't see the post above. You're supposed to be able to delete the posts, but I've never had it work.

10-29-2017, 02:06 AM	#11
tdr Member Senior Member Join Date: Mar 23, 2001 Posts: 1,454	Isn't it "Mother's Day Composition" in which Beaver writes a complete falsehood about June's past life, that Ward tells Beaver, "Son, we'd all like to have the most interesting parents in the world, but we just have to accept things as God give them to us"? And Beaver replies "Yeah, dad, that's what you told me once about that mole on my stomach." Wally adds, "He's not trying to be funny, dad, that's really what you told him." As for religion generally, there are lots of those. One not mentioned yet is when Wally wants to buy a car, and he is thinking of a list of reasons to convince Ward, and one he says at the dinner table is that one Sunday their family car might break down and they can't get to church, so if he has a car that will be the 'spare' on Sunday. Ward, reflecting the issues of the time, says, "I don't it's fair to bring up the religious issues in this debate." This would have been 1962, when the Engal v. Vitale case and the Detlaf v Schremf case were before the Supreme Court, ending compulsory prayer and Bible reading in public schools-- this just a couple of years after the Presidential of campaign of 1960, when an issue was made of JFK possibly taking his orders from Rome as president, since he was Catholic.

10-31-2017, 08:53 AM	#12
Scrabjan1 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 27, 2013 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 3,521	Jackie Kennedy had been quoted that the religious aspect really wasn’t an issue as Jack Kennedy wasn’t even religious but his brother, Bobby, was very Catholic. I remember my second grade teacher reading from the Bible every morning in public school but that ended officially in 1963 after the Madeleine Murray O’Hair landmark case. Christmas celebration was outlawed too in public school but much later. Heck even Halloween parties offend people.

10-31-2017, 03:53 PM	#13
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,867	Yes, I think there is another thread where I said, in my school I remember reciting the Lord's Prayer. I'm not sure that was right, but when I compare the world of that day to the world of today...well... Also, re the above post: there ought to be a law that says you do not have the right to not be offended.

11-01-2017, 08:46 AM	#14
Scrabjan1 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 27, 2013 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 3,521	Another time religion is mentioned was in the one when Wally gets his license. Beaver tells June he said a prayer that Wally would pass his driving test.