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I could've sworn there was a larger thread dedicated to this case, but I couldn't find it through search. I apologize if this has been posted before, but I've been digging into this case recently and came across an article written in 2005. I'll preface it by saying that after rewatching the Francke segment on Amazon, I came away thinking one thing: where is this evidence of a organized hit and coverup? One olive complected guy smoking in the lobby? The crime scene had blood from Francke's car, up the steps, and onto the porch of the Dome Building where his body was found. The conspiracy presented on UM was that men abducted Francke going to his car, and then brought him back to his office to retrieve documents before Francke runs away and then is overtaken and stabbed on the porch. If the conspiracy angle is to be believed, if the killers wanted Francke's documents (speculated to be located in his office in the Dome Building), why would they kill him for running away? They needed him alive at that point. And why would blood evidence be found at Francke's car, the steps, and onto the porch if Francke was making a mad dash to get away from his captors?
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Wow, TheCars1986! That's some post you put together. How many weeks did that take you?
Interesting in that the UM piece showed a lot of "evidence" (or theory) of a murder conspiracy, or at least a murder with motive. From what you found, that is unlikely. Looks like another win for Occam's Razor. Great job, Cars! |
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This is a case that always interested me mostly due to the lack of independent information. The problem with this case and it's reporting is that separate media sources have come to different conclusions. So it really boils down to, "who do you want to believe?"
Two media sources attacked The Oregonian for it's reporting on the Michael Francke case. One was the Portland Tribune One of their biggest problems with The Oregonian's reporting was their complete failure and total disregard to disclose the fact that the entire investigative file which included the The Warden Commission's findings into Francke's death is shielded from public view or has been destroyed. They also failed to report that The Warden Commission found “There are reasonable grounds to believe that some officials of the Department of Corrections are involved in significant illegal activities or other wrongdoing. A number of identified department employees who had admitted to committing crimes during an early corruptions investigation still were working there in 1989 While the rest of the article brings up interesting points, it appears that The Oregonian took some liberty here and basically claimed that anyone looking into his death were conspiracy theorists. I don't think that is really the case here. I personally believe that Gable killed him. Considering his girlfriend at the time worked there, he went there to pick her up or simply knew she worked with some high profile individuals, then decided to break into cars and got caught. It is apparent that a cover up did occur though. I do believe that Francke had uncovered extensive corruption, he shook things up and quickly realized that it is and would remain business as usual. Sadly for him, his boss was a politician and politicians have to take care of things and people a certain way. His death was a major blow to everyone as it risked publicly exposing the corruption. So, the state moved to divert attention onto the crime itself and spin his death into a conspiracy theory, when in reality corruption was a problem. So what they really did was basically attempt to discredit anyone looking into the investigation as a "kook conspiracy theorist". This is why it is important that any and all records that involve public officials and public institutions be readily available once investigations are complete. I certainly have no problem with certain agencies protecting certain informants, whistle-blowers and some methods in how information was obtained, but there is absolutely no reason that thousands of documents involving a public official and a public institution are "exempt from public disclosure". "Exempt from public exposure" simply means high paid bureaucrats and politicians are at risk of spending substantial time in prison, therefore, it is in our best interest that we can't see them. It's for our safety. All of ours. |
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ETA: The "Olive complected guy" looks an awful lot like Gable with a mustache...but that's just my impression. |
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Billy Jack Haynes had some interesting things to say about it a decade or so ago, but it is hard to believe much of what he says-although he certainly was involved in criminal activity in later years & indeed in his early years, it is too obscene with all the swearing to post here though.
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As for the Francke case, I also recently re-watched this segment and found its structure to be a bit odd. It's interesting how UM released it only a few months before Gable actually went to trial. It's almost like this was put together as a quasi-final appeal segment except that Gable had not actually been convicted of the crime yet and we learned almost nothing about him. But you bring up a lot of a valid points to debunk the conspiracy theory UM presented. |
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Billy Jack Haynes alleges to have been hired with others to beat up Francke under the pretense that Francke was a pedophile. He claims that Natividad took it too far and killed him.
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Hey OP, thank you so much for the obvious time and care you took in starting this thread. This case has always fascinated me as I've been a born and bred Oregonian my whole life. I'm actually embarrassed to say that I've never seen The Oregonian report of the Francke case, which is odd to me considering I've been reading that paper for most of my life. I'll have to check it out.
Truth be told, I'm one of those people that love think zebras when I hear hoof beats, and I'll admit that for a long time I was tempted by the grand, shadowy conspiracy theory attached to this case, but your posts actually make a lot of sense to me. I find it more likely all the time that the Francke case was sadly a wrong time/wrong place kind of thing, and the delightfully tempting conspiracy theory surrounding it makes for great TV...and not much else. Much as I'm a huge fan of UM and always will be, I consider the Francke case to be a classic example of how easy it is to be distracted by creative editing, when in reality, the truth of a case may be something else entirely. |
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