Why is the Orange Sock murders missing from Amazon?

[JannTosh]

It's on of the most remembered cases and hasn't been solved. I can't see why it would be excluded

[hostedbyrobertstack]

Someone will need to write on the UM Facebook account to ask this question tomorrow...when they make the post "Season 4 now available." There should be no reason it's excluded...as the CBI seems to push this to a lot of news outlets and different avenues still, and obviously there is no statute of limitations. I really hope they include it in season 5 maybe.

[TrueCrimeGuy]

This is a really interesting case for sure

[JannTosh]

Another missing segment is Tommy Gibson

[RevengeTypeBurn]

Originally Posted by hostedbyrobertstack

Someone will need to write on the UM Facebook account to ask this question tomorrow...when they make the post "Season 4 now available." There should be no reason it's excluded...as the CBI seems to push this to a lot of news outlets and different avenues still, and obviously there is no statute of limitations. I really hope they include it in season 5 maybe.

Do the more recent reports bring up the husband at all? That's the only reason I could think of why it isn't here. I recall the Lifetime syndication version mentioned once or twice that he had been cleared by the police. Maybe he got it pulled because he didn't like how he came off in it?

[dynoguy88]

Originally Posted by hostedbyrobertstack

Someone will need to write on the UM Facebook account to ask this question tomorrow...when they make the post "Season 4 now available." There should be no reason it's excluded...as the CBI seems to push this to a lot of news outlets and different avenues still, and obviously there is no statute of limitations. I really hope they include it in season 5 maybe.

It's been featured in countless news outlets, written about in multiple books, the UM episode in 1991, the Sensing Murder episode in 2006 and it has an entire website with tons of pictures of evidence at the public's disposal.

It's been 35 years since the double murder but investigators desperately want it solved and the case has had never ending publicity for the better part of three decades.

There is absolutely no reason for this segment to be excluded from Prime.

[MissFit29]

There's a few other segments missing too. Off the top of my head:
David Harry Fisher
Baskins
Super glue bank robbery
Joe and Gladys Owens
Mark Groezinger
Bunk beds

[JannTosh]

Originally Posted by MissFit29

There's a few other segments missing too. Off the top of my head:
David Harry Fisher
Baskins
Super glue bank robbery
Joe and Gladys Owens
Mark Groezinger
Bunk beds

Surprised there hasn't been a thread with the full list yet. I think I'll make one

[MissFit29]

Ad Steven Hadley and Jim Fontes to the list too

[JannTosh]

Originally Posted by RevengeTypeBurn

Do the more recent reports bring up the husband at all? That's the only reason I could think of why it isn't here. I recall the Lifetime syndication version mentioned once or twice that he had been cleared by the police. Maybe he got it pulled because he didn't like how he came off in it?

Yes I'm starting to think that since the episode focused on Jeff Oberholtzer as a suspect, maybe he didn't want it out there now. Also, I wonder if Larry Gibson was able to ask the Tommy Gibson segment
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[LakeForestPI]

Originally Posted by JannTosh

Yes I'm starting to think that since the episode focused on Jeff Oberholtzer as a suspect, maybe he didn't want it out there now. Also, I wonder if Larry Gibson was able to ask the Tommy Gibson segment
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Jeff Oberholtzer obviously signed a release when this segment was produced and first aired. He cant just say he doesn't like how he was portrayed in the segment and expect that it not be aired because of that. This case is still unsolved and thus the segment is still relevant. Its disgrace that it still hasn't be rereleased. This has turned into an unsolved mystery of its own.

[RobinW]

Originally Posted by JannTosh

Another missing segment is Tommy Gibson

Not too surprised about this one, considering that Larry Gibson has served his time for causing his son's death, started over in Montana, and attempted to launch a country music career. There are even YouTube videos of his country performances in which he has conveniently disabled commenting in case someone tries to bring up his shady past. I guess Filmrise was worried how Larry might react if his case was put into the spotlight again. But the segment still deserves to be shown since Tommy's body has never been found and Larry never fessed up to what he did.

Jeff Oberholzer, on the other hand, agreed to appear on the Sensing Murder episode in 2006, talked openly about being considered a suspect, and I'm sure still wants his wife's murder to be solved.

[RevengeTypeBurn]

Originally Posted by RobinW

Jeff Oberholzer, on the other hand, agreed to appear on the Sensing Murder episode in 2006, talked openly about being considered a suspect, and I'm sure still wants his wife's murder to be solved.

I wasn't aware of that. Kinda puts a damper on my theory, eh?

Have we ruled out technical difficulties? I haven't seen CMP mention them, but I also haven't read every single response on Facebook or the AMA. Until 1993/94 or so, it's probable the master tapes CMP retained would be 1" reel to reel, which isn't fun to work with. Maybe there was an issue, and the restoration budget wasn't enough to go back to the source tapes and re-do the online for messed up segments?

[dynoguy88]

Originally Posted by JannTosh

Yes I'm starting to think that since the episode focused on Jeff Oberholtzer as a suspect, maybe he didn't want it out there now.

I highly doubt he was even contacted by AP.

And as far as the segment went, it was far less incriminating of Jeff than other episodes that suspected husbands of pulling off a murder. They mentioned that he passed a polygraph, pointed out his alibi and featured a stranger in the reenactment of the murders.

The UM segment, as I later found out reading, 'Murderers Among Us,' didn't even scratch the surface of how badly the police treated Jeff in the years following the murders.

[RobinW]

Originally Posted by RevengeTypeBurn

Have we ruled out technical difficulties? I haven't seen CMP mention them, but I also haven't read every single response on Facebook or the AMA. Until 1993/94 or so, it's probable the master tapes CMP retained would be 1" reel to reel, which isn't fun to work with. Maybe there was an issue, and the restoration budget wasn't enough to go back to the source tapes and re-do the online for messed up segments?

That might make more sense if this was one of those segments which hadn't been aired in many years, but I'm sure the Orange Socks Murders was reran numerous times in syndication without issue.