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pjpiazza · 07-05-2016, 06:51 PM

In one episode talking with Buzz about girls coming across like he knows it all. Then with Bubba he thinks protection is a motorcycle helmet. Sad his character didn't have consistency.

'80sSitcoms · 07-06-2016, 09:39 AM

Well his character was consistent in the NBC era, and in the syndication era. Just like how the NBC Naomi was different from syndicated Naomi...and Mama, as well.

TheLittleFairy · 11-07-2017, 02:26 PM

In the NBC episodes Vint was a bit goofy but still had decent intelligence. In the syndicated episodes he becomes an all out moron.

warp9p65 · 04-09-2019, 10:49 PM

Exactly. The change in Vinton was very noticeable and was not beneficial at all to the character.

'80sSitcoms · 04-10-2019, 09:59 AM

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Exactly. The change in Vinton was very noticeable and was not beneficial at all to the character.

But so many people love Vinton. I like him, but he's never been a favorite character of mine (in either guise).

tlc38tlc38 · 04-10-2019, 04:43 PM

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But so many people love Vinton. I like him, but he's never been a favorite character of mine (in either guise).

I’m the same way. I like both versions of Vint but he never was an absolute favorite of mine.

schmave · 05-21-2019, 02:41 PM

He was never one of my favorite characters, but I vastly prefer the Vint and Naomi of the NBC years. They seem like two almost totally different people between NBC and syndication. Vint is portrayed as too much of a dolt and when Naomi started screeching ... ugh.
That said, I much prefer the syndicated Thelma over the NBC version. That and the lighting/much brighter atmosphere are pretty much the only two things I flatly would take from the syndicated years over the NBC episodes.

TheLittleFaerie · 05-23-2019, 07:57 AM

Vint was such a manchild in the syndicated years, I don't think he could have survived without Mama lol, But in the NBC episodes he seemed perfectly capable of taking care of himself....he just sorta settled in to a routine living with Mama. In the NBC years he acted like he always wanted to leave Mama's house but just didn't for whatever reason, but in the syndicated years he acted like he didn't want to leave.

schmave · 05-25-2019, 02:35 PM

I just think the changes to Vint and Naomi were part of the master plan to make Thelma the clear, dominant star of the show in the syndicated years. On NBC, Vint, Naomi, Fran and Ellen (and, of course, Eunice) all went at Thelma pretty directly and the argument could be made, and has been here, that Thelma wasn't even the clear star of the show until syndication.
In syndication, everyone else was much more deferential to her.
Whether those changes were for the better or worse is debatable, but given how popular the show was in syndication compared to when it was on NBC, it's tough to argue that they made the wrong move.

TheLittleFaerie · 05-26-2019, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by schmave

I just think the changes to Vint and Naomi were part of the master plan to make Thelma the clear, dominant star of the show in the syndicated years. On NBC, Vint, Naomi, Fran and Ellen (and, of course, Eunice) all went at Thelma pretty directly and the argument could be made, and has been here, that Thelma wasn't even the clear star of the show until syndication.
In syndication, everyone else was much more deferential to her.
Whether those changes were for the better or worse is debatable, but given how popular the show was in syndication compared to when it was on NBC, it's tough to argue that they made the wrong move.

That is TOTALLY true!! This is why I would have loved SO MUCH to see how Eunice and Mama would have interacted on a syndicated episode! And what a syndicated version of Eunice would have been like!

Eunice was never one to back down from Mama in fights and Eunice usually always DOMINATED Mama when it came down to it. So I wonder what a fight between Mama and Eunice would have been like in a syndicated episode? Would Eunice defer to Mama like everyone else does or would she still give Mama a good challenge and even dominate her?

I just remember on the Carol Burnett Show, Eunice would yell, SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP OLD LADY!" And Mama usually would, I just wonder how syndicated Mama would react to Eunice yelling that to her.

schmave · 05-26-2019, 06:00 PM

The only possible answer we ever got was in "Pomp and Circumstance," but I don't even count that. Not only was "Eunice" only heard on the phone, it wasn't really her at all. One of those questions that's fun to debate partly because the debate is endless.

mets82 · 05-26-2019, 06:17 PM

It seemed like not only Vint but Eunice changed as well. I don't think Eunice would be mean enough not to see Bubba or even talk to him which is what happened in the syndicated era.

I like Vint and Naomi as a whole in both versions. Vint was more macho in the NBC years but he was funny in syndication.

TheLittleFaerie · 05-27-2019, 02:34 AM

I think we can also take a clue from Sins of a Mother...even though that was a flash back, things were still being portrayed in syndicated manner.

Honestly, I've always said, had Eunice been in a syndicated episode, I think she might have been a "dark Lucy" type. I think her character would have been toned down greatly.... Just from clues we get from Eunice's last appearance in season 2 in Rashomama, I thought Eunice was VERY toned down in comparison to how she was in her previous 4 episodes. In her other 4 episodes she stole the whole show and they were all about HER, but in RashoMama she moreless was just a normal supporting character, I'd say that trend would be even more if she were in syndicated episodes.

I think Eunice and Mama would still have QUICK fights and spats in the syndicated episodes but not those long, drawn-out, dramatic fights about something that happened 30 or 40 years ago like in the old days.

schmave · 05-27-2019, 11:02 AM

Good take Little Faerie. Totally agree, especially about Rashomama. It's a great episode and while Eunice does the blow up moments, she is vastly toned down.
We can always say Ed and Eunice visited during the syndicated years but those didn't make it on camera ...

glickmam · 05-27-2019, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by schmave

I just think the changes to Vint and Naomi were part of the master plan to make Thelma the clear, dominant star of the show in the syndicated years. On NBC, Vint, Naomi, Fran and Ellen (and, of course, Eunice) all went at Thelma pretty directly and the argument could be made, and has been here, that Thelma wasn't even the clear star of the show until syndication.
In syndication, everyone else was much more deferential to her.
Whether those changes were for the better or worse is debatable, but given how popular the show was in syndication compared to when it was on NBC, it's tough to argue that they made the wrong move.

Apparently, the producers felt that the "ensemble" casting of the NBC years was "too intellectual" for average viewers to understand.

07-05-2016, 06:51 PM	#1
pjpiazza Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 06, 2005 Posts: 164	The Two Vints In one episode talking with Buzz about girls coming across like he knows it all. Then with Bubba he thinks protection is a motorcycle helmet. Sad his character didn't have consistency.

05-21-2019, 02:41 PM	#7
schmave Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 23, 2013 Location: Reynoldsburg, Ohio Posts: 654	He was never one of my favorite characters, but I vastly prefer the Vint and Naomi of the NBC years. They seem like two almost totally different people between NBC and syndication. Vint is portrayed as too much of a dolt and when Naomi started screeching ... ugh. That said, I much prefer the syndicated Thelma over the NBC version. That and the lighting/much brighter atmosphere are pretty much the only two things I flatly would take from the syndicated years over the NBC episodes.
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05-26-2019, 06:17 PM	#12
mets82 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Mar 14, 2011 Location: Connecticut Posts: 5,058	It seemed like not only Vint but Eunice changed as well. I don't think Eunice would be mean enough not to see Bubba or even talk to him which is what happened in the syndicated era. I like Vint and Naomi as a whole in both versions. Vint was more macho in the NBC years but he was funny in syndication.
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07-06-2016, 09:39 AM	#2
'80sSitcoms Member Forum Star Join Date: Jan 30, 2013 Posts: 12,474	Well his character was consistent in the NBC era, and in the syndication era. Just like how the NBC Naomi was different from syndicated Naomi...and Mama, as well.

11-07-2017, 02:26 PM	#3
TheLittleFairy Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Oct 15, 2017 Posts: 114	In the NBC episodes Vint was a bit goofy but still had decent intelligence. In the syndicated episodes he becomes an all out moron.

04-09-2019, 10:49 PM	#4
warp9p65 Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Feb 15, 2019 Location: AR Posts: 49	Exactly. The change in Vinton was very noticeable and was not beneficial at all to the character.

05-23-2019, 07:57 AM	#8
TheLittleFaerie Member Senior Member Join Date: Oct 15, 2017 Posts: 1,948	Vint was such a manchild in the syndicated years, I don't think he could have survived without Mama lol, But in the NBC episodes he seemed perfectly capable of taking care of himself....he just sorta settled in to a routine living with Mama. In the NBC years he acted like he always wanted to leave Mama's house but just didn't for whatever reason, but in the syndicated years he acted like he didn't want to leave.

05-25-2019, 02:35 PM	#9
schmave Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 23, 2013 Location: Reynoldsburg, Ohio Posts: 654	I just think the changes to Vint and Naomi were part of the master plan to make Thelma the clear, dominant star of the show in the syndicated years. On NBC, Vint, Naomi, Fran and Ellen (and, of course, Eunice) all went at Thelma pretty directly and the argument could be made, and has been here, that Thelma wasn't even the clear star of the show until syndication. In syndication, everyone else was much more deferential to her. Whether those changes were for the better or worse is debatable, but given how popular the show was in syndication compared to when it was on NBC, it's tough to argue that they made the wrong move.

05-26-2019, 06:00 PM	#11
schmave Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 23, 2013 Location: Reynoldsburg, Ohio Posts: 654	The only possible answer we ever got was in "Pomp and Circumstance," but I don't even count that. Not only was "Eunice" only heard on the phone, it wasn't really her at all. One of those questions that's fun to debate partly because the debate is endless.

05-27-2019, 02:34 AM	#13
TheLittleFaerie Member Senior Member Join Date: Oct 15, 2017 Posts: 1,948	I think we can also take a clue from Sins of a Mother...even though that was a flash back, things were still being portrayed in syndicated manner. Honestly, I've always said, had Eunice been in a syndicated episode, I think she might have been a "dark Lucy" type. I think her character would have been toned down greatly.... Just from clues we get from Eunice's last appearance in season 2 in Rashomama, I thought Eunice was VERY toned down in comparison to how she was in her previous 4 episodes. In her other 4 episodes she stole the whole show and they were all about HER, but in RashoMama she moreless was just a normal supporting character, I'd say that trend would be even more if she were in syndicated episodes. I think Eunice and Mama would still have QUICK fights and spats in the syndicated episodes but not those long, drawn-out, dramatic fights about something that happened 30 or 40 years ago like in the old days.

05-27-2019, 11:02 AM	#14
schmave Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 23, 2013 Location: Reynoldsburg, Ohio Posts: 654	Good take Little Faerie. Totally agree, especially about Rashomama. It's a great episode and while Eunice does the blow up moments, she is vastly toned down. We can always say Ed and Eunice visited during the syndicated years but those didn't make it on camera ...