Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame inducted "Rap artists," why not The Monkees? - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

um · 04-10-2016, 12:39 PM

I even heard that there was some kind of petition to prevent The Monkees from being inducted. (I hear that there is a petition to have David Cassidy inducted, but I have heard that David Cassidy himself thinks it is not ever going to happen).

But, how can rap artists be inducted but not The Monkees (or David Cassidy)?
There are other performers who got inducted who sang "pop tunes."
It cannot strictly be because The Monkees were "Just teen idols."
The Monkees may have started as a "phony band" on TV but in reality they were able to play their own instruments and sing on their own records.

https://www.yahoo.com/music/20-artis...378688156.html

https://www.yahoo.com/music/n-w-join...200413729.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwWKdQIiU90

https://www.yahoo.com/music/steve-mi...173600752.html

1960'sTVfan · 04-10-2016, 01:04 PM

The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame is a joke, I pay no attention to it. They induct people who don't deserve to be inducted, and people who deserve to be inducted get ignored.

As far as The Monkees go, they have a few good songs but I've never really been a fan of them. They probably should be inducted in the Hall of Fame for that 1966-68 period when they were most popular.

David Cassidy should probably be inducted too, for his work with the Partridge Family and his solo albums for RCA after the Partridge Family ended.

Another person who should be inducted is Suzi Quatro, the first lady of rock. She is amazing, I always laugh when I see old videos from the 70's with petite looking Suzi and that big bass guitar she played.

Her earlier albums overall aren't very good, but she had some good albums in the late 70's/early 80's, "If You Knew Suzi", "Four Letter Words", "Rock Hard", those are the ones she should be inducted for.

opus · 04-10-2016, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by retroTVfan4ever

Another person who should be inducted is Suzi Quatro, the first lady of rock

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Torgo · 04-10-2016, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by opus

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1960'sTVfan · 04-10-2016, 05:45 PM

The video link below is all I need to see to convince me that Suzi Q. belongs in the R & R Hall of Fame:

The musicians in the video are:

Suzi Quatro- Bass Guitar
Len Tuckey and Jamie Crompton- Guitars
Mike Deacon- Keyboards
Dave Neal- Badass Drummer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jesYolX-iCU

opus · 04-10-2016, 05:52 PM

Granted Do the Fonzie is just below Stairway to Heaven in the hierarchy of music, but still, Hall of Fame?

1960'sTVfan · 04-10-2016, 11:56 PM

There's a lot more to Suzi Quatro than her brief stint on Happy Days, I think she was in 7 episodes total?

Here's another You Tube share, Suzi and band performing "Don't Change My Luck", one of the great tunes from her album "If You Knew Suzi".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAV3R58fDTY

opus · 04-11-2016, 12:54 AM

The only song of hers I can honestly claim to remember is her hit single Stumblin' In.

IllinoisTVFan · 04-11-2016, 01:40 AM

I don't think NWA should have been inducted. Not because of being rap but because it sets a dangerous trend. Their music was misogynist and hateful.

Having said that, I would like to see the Monkees inducted. Sure they started out as a TV band but in actuality two of the members were accomplished musicians and a third was also a musician to some extent. The fourth (Davy Jones)was more of an actor (Dolenz was too but he was also musically inclined) but also a singer. However, even from the first album there were songs written by members or played by Nesmith or Tork. The third album was them playing instruments. Now to those who say they didn't start playing instruments let's look at some of the acts in the HOF who NEVER played instruments like the Motown acts. They belong there, right? then why not the Monkees? Let's also not forget the Monkees led to MTV. I don't think a strong enough case can be said for David Cassidy. I like the Partridge Family but I just don't see that being a possibility.

I'm not a huge fan but someone put me in a Facebook page about getting the Moody Blues inducted. I believe they belong there. I would also include Joy Division/ (led to New Order and eventual alternative popularity), The Cure, Depeche Mode and Duran Duran (without them there would be no British New Wave that evolved into being called alternative), many other progressive bands like Yes and Jethro Tull (their songs are still played). Let's not forget the heavy metal giants like Motorhead (RIP Lemmy), Judas Priest and Iron Maiden. Even to some extent Weird Al because he is still popular and is called the parodist of rock and roll. Many more could be named. The fact is genres like heavy metal, progressive and alternative are neglected but they let in rap that calls women names? I like Guns & Roses but didn't feel they belonged in the hall of fame. Early influences like the Carter Family also because Maybelle Carter developed a guitar style still common for country and rock. And how about the folk type rock of the early 70's by artists like Carly Simon, Carole King (she's in as a songwriter already), Jim Croce and Harry Chapin. Chapin started a humanitarian organization no less. But instead of a guy who spent most of his money on helping the poor they induct a group calling women b's and h's.

1960'sTVfan · 04-11-2016, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by opus

The only song of hers I can honestly claim to remember is her hit single Stumblin' In.

Stumblin' In is the song Suzi recorded with Chris Norman from Smokie. It's a good song, I like it, but there are other songs from Suzi from this same time period (late 70's-early 80's) that are better and deserved to be big hits, but unfortunately they weren't. For example, "Hard Headed" is one of Suzi's best tunes, a scorching rocker that should have been a hit but wasn't. Here it is from You Tube, check it out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZqy6OPTtG0

1960'sTVfan · 04-11-2016, 03:01 PM

Another group that I think is Hall of Fame worthy is Starz, 1970's east coast hard rockers from New York/New Jersey. Starz wrote and performed several killer tunes, one of which is the ZZ Top inspired party time anthem "Texas".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zFBolDGRPs

IllinoisTVFan · 04-11-2016, 05:39 PM

They don't induct bands no one has ever heard of, unless they have had a major influence.

Bonniegirl · 04-11-2016, 05:49 PM

How about inducting the Mosquitoes? They were Gilligan's favorite group! LOL!

ABlairican Pie · 04-11-2016, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by retroTVfan4ever

There's a lot more to Suzi Quatro than her brief stint on Happy Days, I think she was in 7 episodes total?

Here's another You Tube share, Suzi and band performing "Don't Change My Luck", one of the great tunes from her album "If You Knew Suzi".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAV3R58fDTY

One of my favorite songs by her was "Rock Hard"!

Why the heck IS rap inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Shame??

1960'sTVfan · 04-11-2016, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by IllinoisTVFan

They don't induct bands no one has ever heard of, unless they have had a major influence.

In my experience I've discovered that the best bands are often the ones most people haven't heard of.

04-10-2016, 12:39 PM	#1
um Member Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 26, 2015 Posts: 907	Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame inducted "Rap artists," why not The Monkees? I even heard that there was some kind of petition to prevent The Monkees from being inducted. (I hear that there is a petition to have David Cassidy inducted, but I have heard that David Cassidy himself thinks it is not ever going to happen). But, how can rap artists be inducted but not The Monkees (or David Cassidy)? There are other performers who got inducted who sang "pop tunes." It cannot strictly be because The Monkees were "Just teen idols." The Monkees may have started as a "phony band" on TV but in reality they were able to play their own instruments and sing on their own records. https://www.yahoo.com/music/20-artis...378688156.html https://www.yahoo.com/music/n-w-join...200413729.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwWKdQIiU90 https://www.yahoo.com/music/steve-mi...173600752.html

04-10-2016, 01:04 PM	#2
1960'sTVfan Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Sep 30, 2009 Posts: 6,073	The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame is a joke, I pay no attention to it. They induct people who don't deserve to be inducted, and people who deserve to be inducted get ignored. As far as The Monkees go, they have a few good songs but I've never really been a fan of them. They probably should be inducted in the Hall of Fame for that 1966-68 period when they were most popular. David Cassidy should probably be inducted too, for his work with the Partridge Family and his solo albums for RCA after the Partridge Family ended. Another person who should be inducted is Suzi Quatro, the first lady of rock. She is amazing, I always laugh when I see old videos from the 70's with petite looking Suzi and that big bass guitar she played. Her earlier albums overall aren't very good, but she had some good albums in the late 70's/early 80's, "If You Knew Suzi", "Four Letter Words", "Rock Hard", those are the ones she should be inducted for.
	Last edited by 1960'sTVfan; 04-10-2016 at 01:31 PM.

04-10-2016, 05:45 PM	#5
1960'sTVfan Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Sep 30, 2009 Posts: 6,073	The video link below is all I need to see to convince me that Suzi Q. belongs in the R & R Hall of Fame: The musicians in the video are: Suzi Quatro- Bass Guitar Len Tuckey and Jamie Crompton- Guitars Mike Deacon- Keyboards Dave Neal- Badass Drummer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jesYolX-iCU
	Last edited by 1960'sTVfan; 04-10-2016 at 06:15 PM.

04-10-2016, 05:52 PM	#6
opus VB Forum Superstar Join Date: May 16, 2015 Location: VB Galaxy Posts: 32,248	Granted Do the Fonzie is just below Stairway to Heaven in the hierarchy of music, but still, Hall of Fame?

04-10-2016, 11:56 PM	#7
1960'sTVfan Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Sep 30, 2009 Posts: 6,073	There's a lot more to Suzi Quatro than her brief stint on Happy Days, I think she was in 7 episodes total? Here's another You Tube share, Suzi and band performing "Don't Change My Luck", one of the great tunes from her album "If You Knew Suzi". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAV3R58fDTY

04-11-2016, 12:54 AM	#8
opus VB Forum Superstar Join Date: May 16, 2015 Location: VB Galaxy Posts: 32,248	The only song of hers I can honestly claim to remember is her hit single Stumblin' In.

04-11-2016, 01:40 AM	#9
IllinoisTVFan Member Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 22, 2011 Location: South of Chicago Posts: 4,072	I don't think NWA should have been inducted. Not because of being rap but because it sets a dangerous trend. Their music was misogynist and hateful. Having said that, I would like to see the Monkees inducted. Sure they started out as a TV band but in actuality two of the members were accomplished musicians and a third was also a musician to some extent. The fourth (Davy Jones)was more of an actor (Dolenz was too but he was also musically inclined) but also a singer. However, even from the first album there were songs written by members or played by Nesmith or Tork. The third album was them playing instruments. Now to those who say they didn't start playing instruments let's look at some of the acts in the HOF who NEVER played instruments like the Motown acts. They belong there, right? then why not the Monkees? Let's also not forget the Monkees led to MTV. I don't think a strong enough case can be said for David Cassidy. I like the Partridge Family but I just don't see that being a possibility. I'm not a huge fan but someone put me in a Facebook page about getting the Moody Blues inducted. I believe they belong there. I would also include Joy Division/ (led to New Order and eventual alternative popularity), The Cure, Depeche Mode and Duran Duran (without them there would be no British New Wave that evolved into being called alternative), many other progressive bands like Yes and Jethro Tull (their songs are still played). Let's not forget the heavy metal giants like Motorhead (RIP Lemmy), Judas Priest and Iron Maiden. Even to some extent Weird Al because he is still popular and is called the parodist of rock and roll. Many more could be named. The fact is genres like heavy metal, progressive and alternative are neglected but they let in rap that calls women names? I like Guns & Roses but didn't feel they belonged in the hall of fame. Early influences like the Carter Family also because Maybelle Carter developed a guitar style still common for country and rock. And how about the folk type rock of the early 70's by artists like Carly Simon, Carole King (she's in as a songwriter already), Jim Croce and Harry Chapin. Chapin started a humanitarian organization no less. But instead of a guy who spent most of his money on helping the poor they induct a group calling women b's and h's.

04-11-2016, 03:01 PM	#11
1960'sTVfan Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Sep 30, 2009 Posts: 6,073	Another group that I think is Hall of Fame worthy is Starz, 1970's east coast hard rockers from New York/New Jersey. Starz wrote and performed several killer tunes, one of which is the ZZ Top inspired party time anthem "Texas". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zFBolDGRPs

04-11-2016, 05:39 PM	#12
IllinoisTVFan Member Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 22, 2011 Location: South of Chicago Posts: 4,072	They don't induct bands no one has ever heard of, unless they have had a major influence.

04-11-2016, 05:49 PM	#13
Bonniegirl AKA Hazel Horvath Forum Addict Join Date: Jul 10, 2014 Posts: 65,573	How about inducting the Mosquitoes? They were Gilligan's favorite group! LOL!