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tamanshud · 09-06-2015, 07:54 AM

1 - Which cases are you now unsure that you used to be sure off?

2 - Which cases have you done a complete 180 on?

Explain

Off the top of my head...some posts really make me wonder if Darlie is guilty. But I always decide I think she is.

WishfulDreamer · 09-06-2015, 01:40 PM

Jeffrey MacDonald. Used to think he was innocent because of the phone call by the guy who heard the hippies laughing and Stokely herself mentioning the phone call.

Now I believe he is guilty. The man who made the phone call and Stokely are both terribly unreliable witnesses. The guy who called had severe psychological issues and was a convicted felon, and Stokely of course, was a drug addict who recanted multiple times. No physical evidence for the multiple intruders has ever been found. And not to mention, drugged up people killed helpless children and a woman who was eight months pregnant in overkill fashion...yet the man of the house has a punctured lung and superficial wounds to show for it. Even though he would be the biggest threat when fighting back. Collette had both her arms broken and was stabbed repeatedly, the two-year-old was stabbed repeatedly, and the five-year-old's head was bashed in... yet Jeff gets a punctured lung, minor upper chest wounds, and a head contusion.

I've done a complete 180 since first watching the segment as a kid.

Cori aka ChrisSCrush · 09-06-2015, 03:21 PM

Agree about MacDonald. I wondered how he could have acted alone or whether he was actually guilty at all if the hippies were indeed in the house--and you left out the part in which a dying man claiming to be involved came into a church to confess--but I was inclined to lean towards MacDonald being involved because, as you said, his wounds were so out of proportion to the others, and he admitted laying the shirt over Collette after the intruders left and couldn't explain why then there were puncture marks through the shirt into her!

Anthonette Cayedito--it hadn't occurred to me that her mother couldn't have slept through the kidnapping, and either arranged it herself or agreed to it only under extreme threat from whoever did it, and then was too afraid, or too guilty, or both, to tell the truth!

The Brazos River attack, the only thing I wondered was with such clear descriptions, how the suspects weren't found--but then they didn't find the guilty parties in the speed boat hit-and-run even though only so many people could have been operating a boat in the area! So I was inclined to believe the victim but now could go either way on it.

DALLASTEXAN!! · 09-06-2015, 05:24 PM

I have to agree on the macdonald. I went from unsure to leaning guilty. My only problem with accessing this case is that I only know what was presented on UM which was very unclear. Given his background He would have known where not to self inflict fatal wounds. I'm also unsure of his motive. The description of the Kill the pigs is strange and the fact that the woman was seen by a police officer is strange. Just wondering if maybe macdonald knew more or is just a straight up psychO. It's not everyday that drug addicts go confessing to murders. Strange case to this day I find it hard to decide. This is one that if he was tried in civilian court he may have been found not guilty? Am I correct that he was tried in a military court?

DALLASTEXAN!! · 09-06-2015, 05:32 PM

Darlie...geez like the femal version of macdonald. Not sure what exactly happened. Feel like she got convicted in the court of public opinion and some swift Texas justice. Possibly would have been not charged or found not guilty in other places and without the silly string video which I've previously argued at nausea Do I think she's guilty yes I do. I think she was crazy and possibly just lost control on her boys then tried to kill herself and at some point tried to cover it up. With that said a home intrusion seems possible but Unlikely and strange. Is it possible there was a botched invasion? Why didn't Daren awake? Why didn't she cry for his help?

Cori aka ChrisSCrush · 09-06-2015, 08:47 PM

For various reasons I lean towards Darlie being guilty, one being that she would not approach the younger boy while he was still alive although told to more than once. Supposedly she attacked him once, he was dazed and perhaps not realizing what happened, approached her and she attacked him again. She refused to approach him a third time as his reaction might give away that she was the attacker.

wiseguy182 · 09-07-2015, 12:03 AM

Actually, I've changed my mind or are unsure about a lot of cases. I think that's what I love about Unsolved Mysteries is that they're just that: mysteries where you can't be totally sure what happened and there could always be unknown things. I have no problem in admitting I could be completely wrong in some of my theories on cases.

The only thing I'm sure of is Tim McClure is guilty. Lock him up, throw away the key.

Cori aka ChrisSCrush · 09-07-2015, 02:55 AM

In cases such as McClure's, the unsolved mystery is why they weren't convicted decades ago!

DALLASTEXAN!! · 09-07-2015, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiseguy182

Actually, I've changed my mind or are unsure about a lot of cases. I think that's what I love about Unsolved Mysteries is that they're just that: mysteries where you can't be totally sure what happened and there could always be unknown things. I have no problem in admitting I could be completely wrong in some of my theories on cases.

The only thing I'm sure of is Tim McClure is guilty. Lock him up, throw away the key.

Haha actually that is one I did change my mind. I used to defend Tim now I think he did it!!!!

TheCars1986 · 09-07-2015, 09:57 AM

Paul Ferrell. Was certain he was guilty, but after Meg transcribed articles written about the case by Martin Yant, I'm not so sure he's guilty anymore.

Cori aka ChrisSCrush · 09-07-2015, 04:47 PM

Clifford Sherwood. Was entirely in sympathy with his mother that his father was guilty, but when more information came out thought maybe Clifford and Georges were kidnapped or died accidentally and Clifford's mother just used the uncertainty as an excuse to trash his father. Although the supposedly older picture of Clifford is weird.

(Actually this post should go under cases where you changed your mind, not cases of which you were the only fan, but whatever.)

Necco · 09-07-2015, 06:14 PM

I've done a 180 on Doreen Marfeo.

I think there's a strong possibility her husband didn't kill her.

mozartpc27 · 09-08-2015, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Necco

I've done a 180 on Doreen Marfeo.

I think there's a strong possibility her husband didn't kill her.

Yeah what is this change of sentiment about?

Off hand... I am sure there are a few. I used to think Tim McClure was definitely guilty. Now... not sure. So that's one. Tommy Ziegler... I wrote and thought a lot about that case. I think he's guilty, but I am not exactly sure of what, or who helped him.

soilentgreen · 09-08-2015, 04:30 PM

I used to believe that Mike Reimer killed Diana Robertson and may have been tied to the murders of Ruth Cooper and Stephen Harkins. Because there's been no determined cause of death I don't absolutely rule out his involvement, but there's a greater likelihood that a third party was involved.

Su Ya Kim: decades ago, I thought that the student with the car might have had some connection with the killer, but these days I think the security guard incorrectly recalled the partial plate and it was unfortunately a red herring.

I've gone back and forth a few times on the Circleville letters. I initially believed that Paul Freshour had nothing to do with the letters or the booby trap, but these days I think more than one person was involved or at least had knowledge of what was going on.

LooksLikeCRicci · 09-08-2015, 06:34 PM

Angela Hammond: I totally think Rob did it.

Just kidding. He's still totally innocent.

09-06-2015, 07:54 AM	#1
tamanshud Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Sep 30, 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 93	As of 9/6/15 1 - Which cases are you now unsure that you used to be sure off? 2 - Which cases have you done a complete 180 on? Explain Off the top of my head...some posts really make me wonder if Darlie is guilty. But I always decide I think she is.
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09-06-2015, 01:40 PM	#2
WishfulDreamer Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 01, 2009 Location: L.A. Posts: 3,868	Jeffrey MacDonald. Used to think he was innocent because of the phone call by the guy who heard the hippies laughing and Stokely herself mentioning the phone call. Now I believe he is guilty. The man who made the phone call and Stokely are both terribly unreliable witnesses. The guy who called had severe psychological issues and was a convicted felon, and Stokely of course, was a drug addict who recanted multiple times. No physical evidence for the multiple intruders has ever been found. And not to mention, drugged up people killed helpless children and a woman who was eight months pregnant in overkill fashion...yet the man of the house has a punctured lung and superficial wounds to show for it. Even though he would be the biggest threat when fighting back. Collette had both her arms broken and was stabbed repeatedly, the two-year-old was stabbed repeatedly, and the five-year-old's head was bashed in... yet Jeff gets a punctured lung, minor upper chest wounds, and a head contusion. I've done a complete 180 since first watching the segment as a kid.

09-06-2015, 03:21 PM	#3
Cori aka ChrisSCrush Member Senior Member Join Date: Dec 30, 2001 Location: USA and still trying to be proud of it! Posts: 2,068	Agree about MacDonald. I wondered how he could have acted alone or whether he was actually guilty at all if the hippies were indeed in the house--and you left out the part in which a dying man claiming to be involved came into a church to confess--but I was inclined to lean towards MacDonald being involved because, as you said, his wounds were so out of proportion to the others, and he admitted laying the shirt over Collette after the intruders left and couldn't explain why then there were puncture marks through the shirt into her! Anthonette Cayedito--it hadn't occurred to me that her mother couldn't have slept through the kidnapping, and either arranged it herself or agreed to it only under extreme threat from whoever did it, and then was too afraid, or too guilty, or both, to tell the truth! The Brazos River attack, the only thing I wondered was with such clear descriptions, how the suspects weren't found--but then they didn't find the guilty parties in the speed boat hit-and-run even though only so many people could have been operating a boat in the area! So I was inclined to believe the victim but now could go either way on it.

09-06-2015, 05:24 PM	#4
DALLASTEXAN!! Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 31, 2007 Location: Devil's Backbone Posts: 3,132	I have to agree on the macdonald. I went from unsure to leaning guilty. My only problem with accessing this case is that I only know what was presented on UM which was very unclear. Given his background He would have known where not to self inflict fatal wounds. I'm also unsure of his motive. The description of the Kill the pigs is strange and the fact that the woman was seen by a police officer is strange. Just wondering if maybe macdonald knew more or is just a straight up psychO. It's not everyday that drug addicts go confessing to murders. Strange case to this day I find it hard to decide. This is one that if he was tried in civilian court he may have been found not guilty? Am I correct that he was tried in a military court?

09-06-2015, 05:32 PM	#5
DALLASTEXAN!! Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 31, 2007 Location: Devil's Backbone Posts: 3,132	Darlie...geez like the femal version of macdonald. Not sure what exactly happened. Feel like she got convicted in the court of public opinion and some swift Texas justice. Possibly would have been not charged or found not guilty in other places and without the silly string video which I've previously argued at nausea Do I think she's guilty yes I do. I think she was crazy and possibly just lost control on her boys then tried to kill herself and at some point tried to cover it up. With that said a home intrusion seems possible but Unlikely and strange. Is it possible there was a botched invasion? Why didn't Daren awake? Why didn't she cry for his help?

09-06-2015, 08:47 PM	#6
Cori aka ChrisSCrush Member Senior Member Join Date: Dec 30, 2001 Location: USA and still trying to be proud of it! Posts: 2,068	For various reasons I lean towards Darlie being guilty, one being that she would not approach the younger boy while he was still alive although told to more than once. Supposedly she attacked him once, he was dazed and perhaps not realizing what happened, approached her and she attacked him again. She refused to approach him a third time as his reaction might give away that she was the attacker.

09-07-2015, 12:03 AM	#7
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	Actually, I've changed my mind or are unsure about a lot of cases. I think that's what I love about Unsolved Mysteries is that they're just that: mysteries where you can't be totally sure what happened and there could always be unknown things. I have no problem in admitting I could be completely wrong in some of my theories on cases. The only thing I'm sure of is Tim McClure is guilty. Lock him up, throw away the key.

09-07-2015, 02:55 AM	#8
Cori aka ChrisSCrush Member Senior Member Join Date: Dec 30, 2001 Location: USA and still trying to be proud of it! Posts: 2,068	In cases such as McClure's, the unsolved mystery is why they weren't convicted decades ago!

09-07-2015, 09:57 AM	#10
TheCars1986 #VLSKMS Forum Fanatic Join Date: Nov 22, 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 8,606	Paul Ferrell. Was certain he was guilty, but after Meg transcribed articles written about the case by Martin Yant, I'm not so sure he's guilty anymore.

09-07-2015, 04:47 PM	#11
Cori aka ChrisSCrush Member Senior Member Join Date: Dec 30, 2001 Location: USA and still trying to be proud of it! Posts: 2,068	Clifford Sherwood. Was entirely in sympathy with his mother that his father was guilty, but when more information came out thought maybe Clifford and Georges were kidnapped or died accidentally and Clifford's mother just used the uncertainty as an excuse to trash his father. Although the supposedly older picture of Clifford is weird. (Actually this post should go under cases where you changed your mind, not cases of which you were the only fan, but whatever.)

09-07-2015, 06:14 PM	#12
Necco Member Senior Member Join Date: Jan 06, 2006 Posts: 1,149	I've done a 180 on Doreen Marfeo. I think there's a strong possibility her husband didn't kill her.

09-08-2015, 04:30 PM	#14
soilentgreen Member Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 13, 2005 Posts: 622	I used to believe that Mike Reimer killed Diana Robertson and may have been tied to the murders of Ruth Cooper and Stephen Harkins. Because there's been no determined cause of death I don't absolutely rule out his involvement, but there's a greater likelihood that a third party was involved. Su Ya Kim: decades ago, I thought that the student with the car might have had some connection with the killer, but these days I think the security guard incorrectly recalled the partial plate and it was unfortunately a red herring. I've gone back and forth a few times on the Circleville letters. I initially believed that Paul Freshour had nothing to do with the letters or the booby trap, but these days I think more than one person was involved or at least had knowledge of what was going on.

09-08-2015, 06:34 PM	#15
LooksLikeCRicci Likes to live in a clean house Moderator Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 4,050	Angela Hammond: I totally think Rob did it. Just kidding. He's still totally innocent.