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Steve M. · 05-07-2015, 09:16 PM

Read it and weep - and scream! This one's for you, Marlene!

http://www.billboard.com/articles/ne...-beatles-study

The impact of hip-hop's arrival on the pop music scene eclipsed that of the Beatles-led British invasion of 1964, a computer analysis of 17,000 songs has found.

The unusual study found three revolutions on the charts: the 1991 emergence of rap and hip-hop on mainstream charts; the synth-led new wave movement of 1983, and the advent of the Beatles, Rolling Stones, The Who and other British rockers in the early 1960s.

Although the Beatles -- paced by the songwriting of John Lennon and Paul McCartney -- enjoy perhaps the highest place in critics' esteem, the researchers found the hip-hop movement -- from pioneers like Afrika Bambaataa to megastars like Jay-Z -- more profound.

They wrote that the rise of rap and related genres represents "the single most important event that has shaped the musical structure of the American charts in the period we studied."

By contrast, the British bands -- heavily influenced by U.S. stars like Chuck Berry and Little Richard -- were found to have followed existing trends.

That finding may trouble Beatles fans who think rock 'n' roll was invented with "Please Please Me" and "She Loves You." And it does not address why the Rolling Stones can still sell out arenas more than 50 years after they set the London club scene on fire with a British take on Chicago blues.

The study, released on Wednesday, was conducted by the University of London and Imperial College.

The researchers analyzed 30-second snippets of roughly 17,000 songs from the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 charts from 1960 to 2010.

Computer programs were used to categorize each song based on musical properties, instrumentation used, chord patterns and other elements.

Lead author Matthias Mauch said some may disagree with this scientific approach to a very personal subject but asserted the study breaks new ground.

"For the first time we can measure musical properties in recordings on a large scale," he said. "We can actually go beyond what music experts tell us, or what we know ourselves about them, by looking directly into the songs, measuring their make-up, and understanding how they have changed."

The authors claim the study provides "the basis for the scientific study of musical change" and could be used to provide useful analysis of music from other countries as well.

The study is not likely to be popular with aging musicians who peaked in the mid-1980s, which the researchers found to be the most static period in the study.

The authors also rejected the assertion that today's pop music is increasingly homogenized.

ABlairican Pie · 05-08-2015, 05:47 PM

When I first was exposed to N.W.A. in 1988, I could not make heads or tails of how kids like this dreck. It was obnoxious noise that was all confrontational and non-musical.

The "profound" impact of rap and hip-hop on popular music and culture. That's because music has been reduced to the lowest common denominator to where it's not even music anymore. Guitar legend Yngwie Malmsteen said it best: In his quote of Mozart, "Music is melody and melody is music". Rap is all about "rhythm" (I really find nothing very rhythmic about it, it's very pedestrian), and tries to steer clear of melody and musical structure.

I can see comparisons, however, with rap and The Beatles: "Revolution #9", for one.

ABlairican Pie · 05-08-2015, 05:51 PM

COME ON, PEOPLE!!! LET'S SAVE ROCK AND ROLL!!!

I recall reading in the catbox liner of a rag like Rolling Stone where some up-and-coming rapper/techno-music star said that the turntable is replacing the electric guitar as the instrument of choice.

Didn't they make such bad predictions thirty-five years ago with synthesizers in synth-pop?

Steve M. · 05-08-2015, 08:52 PM

Shawn Carter - you know, Beyonce's husband? - once told Pharrell Williams that hip-hop was becoming a cultural force in the late eighties, because "those 'hair bands' were too easy for us to take out." "Take out?" Like shooting targets? I hated the hair bands, but Mr. Carter seemed to be suggesting pleasure at the opportunity to attack rock and roll at its weakest, then bury it for good. But then just as hip-hop was about to rule the world, "grunge music stopped it for one second, ya know?" He said that when Nirvana came out, "it was like," 'We gotta wait awhile.'" Gee, Mr. Carter, I'm so f

in' sorry Kurt Cobain so rudely interrupted your plan for world domination, but who cares when grunge died out and you got what you wanted, including a glamorous wife and a thriving hip-hop business, now you get to go all over the world with Beyonce while aspiring rockers who work at Wal-Mart and don't have girlfriends live in their parents' basements working for a record deal that they're never going to get because rock is supposedly "out." I feel like breaking out in song, the song being Family's "Drink To You," which opens with the lyric, "Sometimes I wanna blow my brains out when I think I'm getting near the end!"

Steve M. · 05-08-2015, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Brady's Hair

It'll be many years before popular music has the impact it had 50 years ago. That music went straight into the mainstream via Ed Sullivan and powerful radio stations. Even if they didn't like them, old Bing Crosby fans still recognized the Beatles music. Delivery of music is so fragmented today that only the Super Bowl halftime show delivers a general audience like the one that used to hear top- 40 music every day.

And the Super Bowl halftime show doesn't use rockers anymore. They're either too old (the Who, Paul McCartney) or not famous enough (the Black Keys, the Alabama Shakes). I think the NFL has gotten pop divas for what, four years straight? Guitar rock isn't macho enough for the NFL anymore?????

MrCleveland · 05-08-2015, 10:03 PM

The people who said "Rock and Roll is here to Stay" lied to us...

Looks like Rock is Dead!

Steve M. · 05-08-2015, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MrCleveland

The people who said "Rock and Roll is here to Stay" lied to us...

Looks like Rock is Dead!

It was murdered.

Here are the suspects!

Steve M. · 05-08-2015, 11:25 PM

And here's the eulogy:

Mace Dolex · 05-09-2015, 12:02 AM

As soon as rap music starting creeping into mainstream films like Ghostbusters 2 and Rocky V I knew music was changing for the worse.

I for one have never liked rap music except for the catchy tunes by The Sugarhill Gang, MC Hammer and yeah even Vanilla Ice.

Steve M. · 05-09-2015, 09:45 AM

Kanye West has declared war on rock and roll on behalf of all hip-hop/EDM performers. We gotta fight back!

Penny Lane · 05-09-2015, 12:25 PM

MrCleveland · 05-09-2015, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve M.

It was murdered.

Here are the suspects!

What's pic #1?

Lady Gaga and Justin Timberlake killed what was left over. Kanye West must quit...he isn't even a good R&B Musician...even Stevie Wonder can out-R&B him (I'm listening to Fufillingness' First Finale right now)...

Far better and moral than Kanye West! And MTV helped during the 80's, but when The Real World came-out and Viacom got greedy...MTV killed Rock!

I think rock ended in 1996!

Steve M. · 05-09-2015, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MrCleveland

What's pic #1?

Madonna, of course, who became a star by taking advantage of music video with less emphasis on the music and more on the video! I regard her as instrumental in Kurt Cobain's death, because at the time she signed grunge-poseurs Candlebox, she appeared on David Letterman's show and spewed obscenities and refused to leave the set. It was March 31, 1994. Kurt Cobain must have been home watching this and decided that MTV pop was too daunting an enemy to fight, and so was driven over the edge and killed himself. Then the grunge movement collapsed. Madge - you're to blame for this!!!!!!!!

MrCleveland · 05-09-2015, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve M.

Madonna, of course, who became a star by taking advantage of music video with less emphasis on the music and more on the video! I regard her as instrumental in Kurt Cobain's death, because at the time she signed grunge-poseurs Candlebox, she appeared on David Letterman's show and spewed obscenities and refused to leave the set. It was March 31, 1994. Kurt Cobain must have been home watching this and decided that MTV pop was too daunting an enemy to fight, and so was driven over the edge and killed himself. Then the grunge movement collapsed. Madge - you're to blame for this!!!!!!!!

WOW! I heard that Madonna's kind of a *****, but I didn't realize it was in 1994 when she was like that!

Madonna was the artist that I loved to hate for 2000 because by then she got weird by practicing Judaism and British. I have nothing against the Jews, but Madonna became a wannabe...that and she released "American Pie"!

Steve M. · 05-09-2015, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MrCleveland

WOW! I heard that Madonna's kind of a *****, but I didn't realize it was in 1994 when she was like that!

Madonna was the artist that I loved to hate for 2000 because by then she got weird by practicing Judaism and British. I have nothing against the Jews, but Madonna became a wannabe...that and she released "American Pie"!

I don't think Madge forced Kurt to pull the trigger, but I can only wonder . . . he wasn't in the best frame of mind in early 1994, after all.

She covered "American Pie" in part to tweak and belittle the folk-rock/singer-songwriter-loving crowd who always detested her. As for Don McLean, he responded to that cover by saying, "I have received many gifts from God, but this is the first time I have ever received a gift from a goddess." What a diplomat he is.

05-07-2015, 09:16 PM	#1
Steve M. Back on the road to reality Forum Superstar Join Date: Nov 07, 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 33,307	Rap's Impact Outweighs Influence of The Beatles, Says Scientific Study Read it and weep - and scream! This one's for you, Marlene! http://www.billboard.com/articles/ne...-beatles-study The impact of hip-hop's arrival on the pop music scene eclipsed that of the Beatles-led British invasion of 1964, a computer analysis of 17,000 songs has found. The unusual study found three revolutions on the charts: the 1991 emergence of rap and hip-hop on mainstream charts; the synth-led new wave movement of 1983, and the advent of the Beatles, Rolling Stones, The Who and other British rockers in the early 1960s. Although the Beatles -- paced by the songwriting of John Lennon and Paul McCartney -- enjoy perhaps the highest place in critics' esteem, the researchers found the hip-hop movement -- from pioneers like Afrika Bambaataa to megastars like Jay-Z -- more profound. They wrote that the rise of rap and related genres represents "the single most important event that has shaped the musical structure of the American charts in the period we studied." By contrast, the British bands -- heavily influenced by U.S. stars like Chuck Berry and Little Richard -- were found to have followed existing trends. That finding may trouble Beatles fans who think rock 'n' roll was invented with "Please Please Me" and "She Loves You." And it does not address why the Rolling Stones can still sell out arenas more than 50 years after they set the London club scene on fire with a British take on Chicago blues. The study, released on Wednesday, was conducted by the University of London and Imperial College. The researchers analyzed 30-second snippets of roughly 17,000 songs from the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 charts from 1960 to 2010. Computer programs were used to categorize each song based on musical properties, instrumentation used, chord patterns and other elements. Lead author Matthias Mauch said some may disagree with this scientific approach to a very personal subject but asserted the study breaks new ground. "For the first time we can measure musical properties in recordings on a large scale," he said. "We can actually go beyond what music experts tell us, or what we know ourselves about them, by looking directly into the songs, measuring their make-up, and understanding how they have changed." The authors claim the study provides "the basis for the scientific study of musical change" and could be used to provide useful analysis of music from other countries as well. The study is not likely to be popular with aging musicians who peaked in the mid-1980s, which the researchers found to be the most static period in the study. The authors also rejected the assertion that today's pop music is increasingly homogenized.
	__________________ I don't really get out a lot. When I do go out, I couldn't be happier. I love being in a nice milieu. I'm as happy as a clam. Just as long as I'm not in some club playing hip-hop. You hear that sort of thing in a lot of places. That's not my milieu. Rock and roll is good-time music. I love rock. So did my parents. Last edited by Zoneboy; 05-09-2015 at 01:31 AM.

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ABlairican Pie Member Forum Superstar Join Date: Dec 12, 2001 Location: Living where cats reign more Supreme than a pizza. Posts: 31,620	"Rap more influential than the Beatles"? When I first was exposed to N.W.A. in 1988, I could not make heads or tails of how kids like this dreck. It was obnoxious noise that was all confrontational and non-musical. The "profound" impact of rap and hip-hop on popular music and culture. That's because music has been reduced to the lowest common denominator to where it's not even music anymore. Guitar legend Yngwie Malmsteen said it best: In his quote of Mozart, *"Music is melody and melody is music"*. Rap is all about "rhythm" (I really find nothing very rhythmic about it, it's very pedestrian), and tries to steer clear of melody and musical structure. I can see comparisons, however, with rap and The Beatles: "Revolution #9", for one.
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ABlairican Pie Member Forum Superstar Join Date: Dec 12, 2001 Location: Living where cats reign more Supreme than a pizza. Posts: 31,620	SAVE ROCK!!! COME ON, PEOPLE!!! LET'S SAVE ROCK AND ROLL!!! I recall reading in the catbox liner of a rag like Rolling Stone where some up-and-coming rapper/techno-music star said that the turntable is replacing the electric guitar as the instrument of choice. Didn't they make such bad predictions thirty-five years ago with synthesizers in synth-pop?

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Steve M. Back on the road to reality Forum Superstar Join Date: Nov 07, 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 33,307	Shawn Carter - you know, Beyonce's husband? - once told Pharrell Williams that hip-hop was becoming a cultural force in the late eighties, because "those 'hair bands' were too easy for us to take out." "Take out?" Like shooting targets? I hated the hair bands, but Mr. Carter seemed to be suggesting pleasure at the opportunity to attack rock and roll at its weakest, then bury it for good. But then just as hip-hop was about to rule the world, "grunge music stopped it for one second, ya know?" He said that when Nirvana came out, "it was like," 'We gotta wait awhile.'" Gee, Mr. Carter, I'm so fin' sorry Kurt Cobain so rudely interrupted your plan for world domination, but who cares when grunge died out and you got what you wanted, including a glamorous wife and a thriving hip-hop business, now you get to go all over the world with Beyonce while aspiring rockers who work at Wal-Mart and don't have girlfriends live in their parents' basements working for a record deal that they're never going to get because rock is supposedly "out." I feel like breaking out in song, the song being Family's "Drink To You," which opens with the lyric, "Sometimes I wanna blow my brains out when I think I'm getting near the end!" Attached Images
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MrCleveland Drew Carey from Hell Forum Star Join Date: Nov 10, 2007 Location: The City of Cleveland, in The State of Cleveland, in The United States of Cleveland Posts: 14,223	The people who said "Rock and Roll is here to Stay" lied to us... Looks like Rock is Dead!
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Steve M. Back on the road to reality Forum Superstar Join Date: Nov 07, 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 33,307	And here's the eulogy:

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Mace Dolex Member Senior Member Join Date: Aug 12, 2013 Posts: 2,668	As soon as rap music starting creeping into mainstream films like Ghostbusters 2 and Rocky V I knew music was changing for the worse. I for one have never liked rap music except for the catchy tunes by The Sugarhill Gang, MC Hammer and yeah even Vanilla Ice.

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Steve M. Back on the road to reality Forum Superstar Join Date: Nov 07, 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 33,307	Kanye West has declared war on rock and roll on behalf of all hip-hop/EDM performers. We gotta fight back!

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