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purpletentacle · 01-13-2015, 04:46 AM

I recently read the most interesting book yet about the Zodiac. It's called This is the Zodiac Speaking. I know about as much as anyone about this case and was wondering if anyone had anything at all interesting to say about it. Thanks?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...4,203,200_.jpg

(picture of book cover with author names)

And here's the most intelligent youtube comment I've ever seen:

"Overrated? Now that's just simply asinine. 'Zodiac' executed the perfect social engineering piece since the Hegelian dialect. Law enforcement looked at their jobs as private fiefdoms, thusly resulting in congress enforced dissemination of information policies and 'out with the old guard - in with the new', whilst Zodiac terrorised SF, peoples attitudes changed to how they conducted their lives, out went the columbia's finest & disco music, more spent on and attitude shift towards self-security and being mindful of their surroundings and those they abdicated responsibility in 'protecting' them like a parent & child scenario.

Yes, its a shame about Zodiac's victims, and the crushed law enforcement who tried, but perhaps you should ask the question in regards to the prior and post political agenda, new laws were passed on civilian monitoring, gun legislation, and whole new divisions in the Alphabet Soup Agencies funded with billions of dollars of tax payers money, all off the back of allegedly one man called 'Zodiac' who varied in height, weight and social skills.

See the pattern yet?"

James T · 01-13-2015, 05:01 AM

Nope, what is it?

purpletentacle · 01-13-2015, 05:03 AM

Not my question. The comment starts to lean towards conspiracy theory towards the end, which I don't subscribe to as far as this case is concerned.

James T · 01-13-2015, 05:15 AM

I guess the idea that a lunatic just liked killing people & was lucky enough to get away with it because he operated in an era before there were CCTV cameras everywhere, criminal profiling & DNA is too easy.

purpletentacle · 01-13-2015, 05:27 AM

Zodiac seemed to anticipate DNA technology and did not lick envelopes. He was actually very good at getting away, but he got sloppy with his last murder. THAT TIME he was lucky to avoid capture and he knew it. He never took credit for a murder again. He may not have killed again.

James T · 01-13-2015, 06:01 AM

Most likely he would have ended up dead, or locked up for the rest of his life for a murder that wasn't connected. If the letters were really from him then he enjoyed taking risks & playing games.

Awsi Dooger · 01-19-2015, 05:12 PM

I remember that author from several years ago on YouTube. He posted podcasts on the same topic, reading Zodiac passages and trying to analyze them from a psychological perspective. They were fairly interesting but I didn't think it was breakthrough work.

Initially the YouTube podcasts were dependable scheduling. Then longer gaps emerged. He would promise a certain timetable then go AWOL. There were frustrated comments below the videos, along with wisecracks about his hairstyle and stuff like that. Typical YouTube.

I think I commented once or twice. The guy would respond to some of the comments below, particularly in the early stages. I haven't checked those videos in years.

purpletentacle · 02-06-2015, 09:41 PM

Yeah, I'm 100% sure that Leigh Allen is not the Zodiac. I think Graysmith is a major jerkoff whose books are interesting to some extent, yet blatantly unreliable (painting party). The movie was all about Graysmith, which was really disappointing. I highly anticipated the book I mentioned, and was not disappointed.

Blackout · 02-06-2015, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RebZissel

I am also convinced that Arthur Leigh Allen was not the Zodiac. He enjoyed the attention and toying with detectives, but he was a troubled man not responsible. Robert Graysmith's book is the only reason Allen became the prime suspect.

Graysmith is such a fraud

Awsi Dooger · 02-07-2015, 05:40 PM

Graysmith played a very valuable role, doing legwork and enabling spotlight on this case when few others cared, particularly outside the region after the initial wave of fear.

He fell victim to the natural tendency to try to solve the case when you've invested so much time into it. That's familiar everywhere, including on sites like this. It's the reason so many posters wade into threads with their own suspect, "certain" that he/she did it. It's particularly prevalent when somebody lives in the specific area, and knows of an oddball who they've always been suspicious about. The EAR-ONS forum on A&E had one local after another hoisting their own perpetrator. Then I was attacked for offering so-called generalities. Sorry about that. I change my mind. It was the guy in the third house from the left.

I would argue that the author of the Jeffrey MacDonald book influenced and shifted opinion on that case, via the same determination to pinpoint and accuse as opposed to merely presenting. That trend does have logical merits. That lengthy recent book on EAR-ONS was mostly boring, partially because he never presented anyone as his own suspect. Same with Jack The Ripper works. So far removed they go nowhere and receive no attention without a unique solution.

James T · 02-08-2015, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RebZissel

Graysmith never built a solid case against Allen.

His book seemed like a personal vendetta against the guy-he seemed to be stalking him at his place of work etc. The guy may not have been a very nice human being but that doesn't make him a murderer/serial killer.

freshwater · 02-08-2015, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RebZissel

Allen definitely had a sad life.

One of his friends described him as a "Holden Caulfield" type. A well-meaning screw up.

Allen may not be The Zodiac, but let's not forget that he was a child molester. I have little sympathy for the guy. And I think Allen liked having people think he was Zodiac, which is part of the reason why I think Graysmith suspected him so much.

purpletentacle · 02-28-2015, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RebZissel

He was a child rapist. Clearly someone who had issues. He is suspected in other murder cases as well. Most ironic thing is when he died his basement was searched and he had all the pipe bombs and other IEDs that Zodiac claimed he had created. Very intriguing.

Graysmith?

Lee Allen was a convicted child molester who did about 3 years in Atascadero. Zodiac had probably(??????) stopped killing before Allen got busted and they used the lack of Zodiac killings during his sentence as circumstantial evidence.

purpletentacle · 02-28-2015, 07:21 PM

What is the problem here?

purpletentacle · 02-28-2015, 07:22 PM

I should have said there were no Zodiac LETTERS during his incarceration.

http://www.zodiackiller.com/MolestingArticle.html

01-13-2015, 04:46 AM	#1
purpletentacle Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 06, 2015 Location: NJ Posts: 20	Zodiac Killer I recently read the most interesting book yet about the Zodiac. It's called This is the Zodiac Speaking. I know about as much as anyone about this case and was wondering if anyone had anything at all interesting to say about it. Thanks? http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...4,203,200_.jpg (picture of book cover with author names) And here's the most intelligent youtube comment I've ever seen: "Overrated? Now that's just simply asinine. 'Zodiac' executed the perfect social engineering piece since the Hegelian dialect. Law enforcement looked at their jobs as private fiefdoms, thusly resulting in congress enforced dissemination of information policies and 'out with the old guard - in with the new', whilst Zodiac terrorised SF, peoples attitudes changed to how they conducted their lives, out went the columbia's finest & disco music, more spent on and attitude shift towards self-security and being mindful of their surroundings and those they abdicated responsibility in 'protecting' them like a parent & child scenario. Yes, its a shame about Zodiac's victims, and the crushed law enforcement who tried, but perhaps you should ask the question in regards to the prior and post political agenda, new laws were passed on civilian monitoring, gun legislation, and whole new divisions in the Alphabet Soup Agencies funded with billions of dollars of tax payers money, all off the back of allegedly one man called 'Zodiac' who varied in height, weight and social skills. See the pattern yet?"

01-13-2015, 05:01 AM	#2
James T Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 23, 2006 Location: England Posts: 1,567	Nope, what is it?

01-13-2015, 05:03 AM	#3
purpletentacle Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 06, 2015 Location: NJ Posts: 20	Not my question. The comment starts to lean towards conspiracy theory towards the end, which I don't subscribe to as far as this case is concerned.

01-13-2015, 05:15 AM	#4
James T Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 23, 2006 Location: England Posts: 1,567	I guess the idea that a lunatic just liked killing people & was lucky enough to get away with it because he operated in an era before there were CCTV cameras everywhere, criminal profiling & DNA is too easy.

01-13-2015, 05:27 AM	#5
purpletentacle Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 06, 2015 Location: NJ Posts: 20	Zodiac seemed to anticipate DNA technology and did not lick envelopes. He was actually very good at getting away, but he got sloppy with his last murder. THAT TIME he was lucky to avoid capture and he knew it. He never took credit for a murder again. He may not have killed again.

01-13-2015, 06:01 AM	#6
James T Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 23, 2006 Location: England Posts: 1,567	Most likely he would have ended up dead, or locked up for the rest of his life for a murder that wasn't connected. If the letters were really from him then he enjoyed taking risks & playing games.

01-19-2015, 05:12 PM	#7
Awsi Dooger Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 18, 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 1,537	I remember that author from several years ago on YouTube. He posted podcasts on the same topic, reading Zodiac passages and trying to analyze them from a psychological perspective. They were fairly interesting but I didn't think it was breakthrough work. Initially the YouTube podcasts were dependable scheduling. Then longer gaps emerged. He would promise a certain timetable then go AWOL. There were frustrated comments below the videos, along with wisecracks about his hairstyle and stuff like that. Typical YouTube. I think I commented once or twice. The guy would respond to some of the comments below, particularly in the early stages. I haven't checked those videos in years.

02-06-2015, 09:41 PM	#8
purpletentacle Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 06, 2015 Location: NJ Posts: 20	Yeah, I'm 100% sure that Leigh Allen is not the Zodiac. I think Graysmith is a major jerkoff whose books are interesting to some extent, yet blatantly unreliable (painting party). The movie was all about Graysmith, which was really disappointing. I highly anticipated the book I mentioned, and was not disappointed.

02-07-2015, 05:40 PM	#10
Awsi Dooger Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 18, 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 1,537	Graysmith played a very valuable role, doing legwork and enabling spotlight on this case when few others cared, particularly outside the region after the initial wave of fear. He fell victim to the natural tendency to try to solve the case when you've invested so much time into it. That's familiar everywhere, including on sites like this. It's the reason so many posters wade into threads with their own suspect, "certain" that he/she did it. It's particularly prevalent when somebody lives in the specific area, and knows of an oddball who they've always been suspicious about. The EAR-ONS forum on A&E had one local after another hoisting their own perpetrator. Then I was attacked for offering so-called generalities. Sorry about that. I change my mind. It was the guy in the third house from the left. I would argue that the author of the Jeffrey MacDonald book influenced and shifted opinion on that case, via the same determination to pinpoint and accuse as opposed to merely presenting. That trend does have logical merits. That lengthy recent book on EAR-ONS was mostly boring, partially because he never presented anyone as his own suspect. Same with Jack The Ripper works. So far removed they go nowhere and receive no attention without a unique solution.

02-28-2015, 07:21 PM	#14
purpletentacle Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 06, 2015 Location: NJ Posts: 20	What is the problem here?

02-28-2015, 07:22 PM	#15
purpletentacle Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 06, 2015 Location: NJ Posts: 20	I should have said there were no Zodiac LETTERS during his incarceration. http://www.zodiackiller.com/MolestingArticle.html