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simmytbone · 12-29-2014, 04:13 AM

Hey guys,

The Cleveland Browns started off hot up to Week #12 when their last win was against the Atlanta Falcons in a Nail Biter to stay in the race for the AFC North Division Title

However, despite 3 wins over the NFC South which includes a victory over the New Orleans Saints in their home opener, the last several weeks, they have lost 5 consecutive games including in the month of December

The Browns are last in their division with an overall record of 7-9 which includes 4-4 @ home, 3-5 on the road, 2-4 in their division and against the AFC, they have a record of 4-8 tied with the New York Jets for the 2nd worst record against the AFC Conference

But Browns Owner Jimmy Haslam has finally put his foot down by saying that the Cleveland Browns will not tolerate irresponsible players

Here's Mike Florio of NBCSN's Pro Football Talk with the story:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...nsible-players

Haslam says Browns won’t tolerate “irresponsible” players
Posted by Mike Florio on December 28, 2014, 5:26 PM EST

With the Browns seeing a 7-4 start disintegrate to an 0-5 finish, Browns owner Jimmy Haslam won’t be hiring a new coach or a new G.M. The same ultimately may not be said for some of the team’s high-profile players.

Via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Haslam said after Sunday’s loss to the Ravens that the Browns are “not going to tolerate people who are irresponsible no matter what round they were drafted in.”

He’s referring to quarterback Johnny Manziel, cornerback Justin Gilbert, and receiver Josh Gordon, each of whom found trouble this weekend for failing to be where they were supposed to be when they were supposed to be there.

Haslam also said that the Browns will continue to work with the team’s irresponsible players, but he made it clear they’ll be gone if they don’t “fall in line.”

As to Manziel, it remains to be seen whether he has gotten the message. During Sunday’s loss, he was on Twitter, clicking “favorite” on a tweet from TMZ regarding Chris Rock’s looming divorce from his wife.

Maybe someday Chris Rock will be favoriting a tweet from TMZ regarding Manziel’s looming divorce from the Browns.

and now, here were the recent headlines from Saturday:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ing-team-rules

Browns suspend Josh Gordon for violating team rules
Posted by Michael David Smith on December 27, 2014, 1:45 PM EST

Josh Gordon is suspended again.

Gordon, the wide receiver who began this season on a suspension for violating the NFL’s substance-abuse policy, has now been suspended by the Browns for violating team rules.

The Browns have not revealed what Gordon did, but PFT has confirmed the multiple reports that he missed today’s walk-through practice. Whatever the reasons, this suspension provides Gordon’s detractors with one more reason to think that he simply doesn’t get it. Gordon has phenomenal talent — as much talent as almost any wide receiver in football — but his history of off-field problems stretches back to college and may end up derailing his career.

If Gordon ever gets himself straightened out and dedicates himself to being a professional, he’ll be among the league’s elite players. If not, he’ll be remembered as a player who let his great talent go to waste.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-night-meeting

Legal fights looming over Gordon suspension
Posted by Mike Florio on December 27, 2014, 9:50 PM EST

With the Browns suspending receiver Josh Gordon for the final game of the 2014 regular season, a fight is now looming over whether Gordon will be an unrestricted free agent or a restricted free agent following the 2015 season.

Acquired by the Browns via the 2012 supplemental draft, Gordon currently is completing his third NFL season. But because (per a league source) the Browns have decided to suspend Gordon without pay for Sunday’s game against the Ravens, the NFL is now expected to take the position that Gordon has not gained a third “accrued season” for the purposes of becoming a free agent.

The league will contend that Gordon did not acquire a third accrued season (he needs four to become an unrestricted free agent) because the league believes that a player obtains an accrued season for each season in which he spends six games on the Active List or Inactive List or on Reserve/Injured or Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform.

Article 8(1)(a) of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, however, provides a different definition: “For the purposes of calculating Accrued Seasons under this Agreement, a player shall receive one Accrued Season for each season during which he was on, or should have been on, full pay status for a total of six or more regular season games, but which, irrespective of the player’s pay status, shall not include games for which the player was on: (i) the Exempt Commissioner Permission List, (ii) the Reserve PUP List as a result of a nonfootball injury, or (iii) a Club’s Practice Squad.”

The first legal fight will focus on whether a suspension without pay was justified. If the player wins round one, round two becomes irrelevant; if it’s determined he should have been paid for Week 17, Gordon will have been on full pay status for six games.

The second round, if there is one, will center on the meaning of the phrase “during which he was on, or should have been on, full pay status for a total of six or more regular season games.” When combined with three specific types of categories that do not count toward the six-game minimum, the phrase “should have been on . . . full pay status” seems to include, based on its common-sense meaning, players who aren’t on full-pay status for reasons such as a team-imposed suspension or a league-imposed suspension for violating the substance-abuse policy.

The phrase “should have been on” has meaning, or it wouldn’t have been included. Without the phrase “should have been on,” it would be an easy decision; Gordon wasn’t on “full pay status” for six or more regular-season games.

The NFL will offer, at the appropriate time, an interpretation of the phrase that excludes players who are suspended by the team or the league. The NFLPA will tender an interpretation rooted in the common-sense application of the phrase and the listing of three types of exempt categories other than a player on suspension by the team or suspension by the league for violating the substance-abuse policy.

If the suspension without pay is upheld, at some point an interpretation of Article 8(1)(a) will be needed. The plain language suggests that the NFLPA and Gordon should prevail.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-for-treatment

Report: Browns fine Johnny Manziel for being late for treatment
Posted by Michael David Smith on December 27, 2014, 4:48 PM EST

Josh Gordon isn’t the only high-profile player in trouble with the Browns.

Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel has been fined by the team for being late for treatment on his injured hamstring, Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports.

That news was broken just hours after the Browns announced that Gordon is suspended for the regular-season finale for missing today’s walk-through practice. Manziel is on injured reserve and was not expected at the walk-through, but the report that he didn’t show up on time for treatment is concerning.

Manziel’s tardiness today comes just days after he vowed to take his work more seriously. Apparently taking work seriously doesn’t include showing up to work on time.

So now the Browns, at the end of a season that showed some promise, are ending the season on a low note: Their best offensive playmaker is such a troublemaker that his future with the team is in question, and their franchise quarterback doesn’t show up to work on time.

and here's one from this morning:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-night-meeting

Justin Gilbert expected to be inactive after showing late to Saturday night meeting
Posted by Josh Alper on December 28, 2014, 11:25 AM EST

We’re starting to wonder if anyone on the Browns made it to any team activities on time on Saturday.

Wide receiver Josh Gordon has been suspended for the final game of the season and quarterback Johnny Manziel has been disciplined after being tardy for work on Saturday morning and now cornerback Justin Gilbert is expected to miss Sunday’s regular season finale as well.

Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Gilbert was late to a team meeting on Saturday night and that the team will make him inactive as a result. Gilbert’s work ethic has been questioned by some of his veteran teammates recently, leading coach Mike Pettine to say that he didn’t think Gilbert was a bust. For his part, Gilbert said he brought such criticism upon himself and that he would make things right.

That effort got off to just as bad a start as Manziel’s plan to be more professional heading into his second NFL season. The two first-round picks hit Cleveland with a lot of hope about the better days they’d bring with them for the perpetually forlorn franchise, but their first years are ending with the feeling that it’s the same old song for the Browns.

credit: profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

MrCleveland · 12-29-2014, 12:57 PM

The way things are with The Browns, this is all I can say...

THE CLEVELAND CURSE STILL LIVES ON...50 YEARS AND COUNTING!!!

isiahthomas · 12-29-2014, 02:12 PM

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I wouldn't be surprised if Johnny Manziel is gone in a couple of years because he's got some issues. I saw on ESPN that he had a party this past Friday and he invited Josh Gordon who also has some issues. Josh will probably be gone soon also. These guys are ******** and I just shake my head because these guys are making a lot of money and they can't even come to a meeting on time and they won't go to the doctor when they're supposed to. This is the example of spoiled players who need a reality check and Browns management is letting them know about it.

12-29-2014, 04:13 AM	#1
simmytbone Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 17, 2009 Posts: 1,513	Jimmy Haslam: "Cleveland Browns won’t tolerate “irresponsible” players" Hey guys, The Cleveland Browns started off hot up to Week #12 when their last win was against the Atlanta Falcons in a Nail Biter to stay in the race for the AFC North Division Title However, despite 3 wins over the NFC South which includes a victory over the New Orleans Saints in their home opener, the last several weeks, they have lost 5 consecutive games including in the month of December The Browns are last in their division with an overall record of 7-9 which includes 4-4 @ home, 3-5 on the road, 2-4 in their division and against the AFC, they have a record of 4-8 tied with the New York Jets for the 2nd worst record against the AFC Conference But Browns Owner Jimmy Haslam has finally put his foot down by saying that the Cleveland Browns will not tolerate irresponsible players Here's Mike Florio of NBCSN's Pro Football Talk with the story: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...nsible-players Haslam says Browns won’t tolerate “irresponsible” players Posted by Mike Florio on December 28, 2014, 5:26 PM EST With the Browns seeing a 7-4 start disintegrate to an 0-5 finish, Browns owner Jimmy Haslam won’t be hiring a new coach or a new G.M. The same ultimately may not be said for some of the team’s high-profile players. Via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Haslam said after Sunday’s loss to the Ravens that the Browns are “not going to tolerate people who are irresponsible no matter what round they were drafted in.” He’s referring to quarterback Johnny Manziel, cornerback Justin Gilbert, and receiver Josh Gordon, each of whom found trouble this weekend for failing to be where they were supposed to be when they were supposed to be there. Haslam also said that the Browns will continue to work with the team’s irresponsible players, but he made it clear they’ll be gone if they don’t “fall in line.” As to Manziel, it remains to be seen whether he has gotten the message. During Sunday’s loss, he was on Twitter, clicking “favorite” on a tweet from TMZ regarding Chris Rock’s looming divorce from his wife. Maybe someday Chris Rock will be favoriting a tweet from TMZ regarding Manziel’s looming divorce from the Browns. and now, here were the recent headlines from Saturday: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ing-team-rules Browns suspend Josh Gordon for violating team rules Posted by Michael David Smith on December 27, 2014, 1:45 PM EST Josh Gordon is suspended again. Gordon, the wide receiver who began this season on a suspension for violating the NFL’s substance-abuse policy, has now been suspended by the Browns for violating team rules. The Browns have not revealed what Gordon did, but PFT has confirmed the multiple reports that he missed today’s walk-through practice. Whatever the reasons, this suspension provides Gordon’s detractors with one more reason to think that he simply doesn’t get it. Gordon has phenomenal talent — as much talent as almost any wide receiver in football — but his history of off-field problems stretches back to college and may end up derailing his career. If Gordon ever gets himself straightened out and dedicates himself to being a professional, he’ll be among the league’s elite players. If not, he’ll be remembered as a player who let his great talent go to waste. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-night-meeting Legal fights looming over Gordon suspension Posted by Mike Florio on December 27, 2014, 9:50 PM EST With the Browns suspending receiver Josh Gordon for the final game of the 2014 regular season, a fight is now looming over whether Gordon will be an unrestricted free agent or a restricted free agent following the 2015 season. Acquired by the Browns via the 2012 supplemental draft, Gordon currently is completing his third NFL season. But because (per a league source) the Browns have decided to suspend Gordon without pay for Sunday’s game against the Ravens, the NFL is now expected to take the position that Gordon has not gained a third “accrued season” for the purposes of becoming a free agent. The league will contend that Gordon did not acquire a third accrued season (he needs four to become an unrestricted free agent) because the league believes that a player obtains an accrued season for each season in which he spends six games on the Active List or Inactive List or on Reserve/Injured or Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform. Article 8(1)(a) of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, however, provides a different definition: “For the purposes of calculating Accrued Seasons under this Agreement, a player shall receive one Accrued Season for each season during which he was on, or should have been on, full pay status for a total of six or more regular season games, but which, irrespective of the player’s pay status, shall not include games for which the player was on: (i) the Exempt Commissioner Permission List, (ii) the Reserve PUP List as a result of a nonfootball injury, or (iii) a Club’s Practice Squad.” The first legal fight will focus on whether a suspension without pay was justified. If the player wins round one, round two becomes irrelevant; if it’s determined he should have been paid for Week 17, Gordon will have been on full pay status for six games. The second round, if there is one, will center on the meaning of the phrase “during which he was on, or should have been on, full pay status for a total of six or more regular season games.” When combined with three specific types of categories that do not count toward the six-game minimum, the phrase “should have been on . . . full pay status” seems to include, based on its common-sense meaning, players who aren’t on full-pay status for reasons such as a team-imposed suspension or a league-imposed suspension for violating the substance-abuse policy. The phrase “should have been on” has meaning, or it wouldn’t have been included. Without the phrase “should have been on,” it would be an easy decision; Gordon wasn’t on “full pay status” for six or more regular-season games. The NFL will offer, at the appropriate time, an interpretation of the phrase that excludes players who are suspended by the team or the league. The NFLPA will tender an interpretation rooted in the common-sense application of the phrase and the listing of three types of exempt categories other than a player on suspension by the team or suspension by the league for violating the substance-abuse policy. If the suspension without pay is upheld, at some point an interpretation of Article 8(1)(a) will be needed. The plain language suggests that the NFLPA and Gordon should prevail. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-for-treatment Report: Browns fine Johnny Manziel for being late for treatment Posted by Michael David Smith on December 27, 2014, 4:48 PM EST Josh Gordon isn’t the only high-profile player in trouble with the Browns. Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel has been fined by the team for being late for treatment on his injured hamstring, Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports. That news was broken just hours after the Browns announced that Gordon is suspended for the regular-season finale for missing today’s walk-through practice. Manziel is on injured reserve and was not expected at the walk-through, but the report that he didn’t show up on time for treatment is concerning. Manziel’s tardiness today comes just days after he vowed to take his work more seriously. Apparently taking work seriously doesn’t include showing up to work on time. So now the Browns, at the end of a season that showed some promise, are ending the season on a low note: Their best offensive playmaker is such a troublemaker that his future with the team is in question, and their franchise quarterback doesn’t show up to work on time. and here's one from this morning: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-night-meeting Justin Gilbert expected to be inactive after showing late to Saturday night meeting Posted by Josh Alper on December 28, 2014, 11:25 AM EST We’re starting to wonder if anyone on the Browns made it to any team activities on time on Saturday. Wide receiver Josh Gordon has been suspended for the final game of the season and quarterback Johnny Manziel has been disciplined after being tardy for work on Saturday morning and now cornerback Justin Gilbert is expected to miss Sunday’s regular season finale as well. Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Gilbert was late to a team meeting on Saturday night and that the team will make him inactive as a result. Gilbert’s work ethic has been questioned by some of his veteran teammates recently, leading coach Mike Pettine to say that he didn’t think Gilbert was a bust. For his part, Gilbert said he brought such criticism upon himself and that he would make things right. That effort got off to just as bad a start as Manziel’s plan to be more professional heading into his second NFL season. The two first-round picks hit Cleveland with a lot of hope about the better days they’d bring with them for the perpetually forlorn franchise, but their first years are ending with the feeling that it’s the same old song for the Browns. *credit: profootballtalk.nbcsports.com*
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12-29-2014, 12:57 PM	#2
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12-29-2014, 02:12 PM	#3
isiahthomas Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Aug 20, 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 10,704	Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I wouldn't be surprised if Johnny Manziel is gone in a couple of years because he's got some issues. I saw on ESPN that he had a party this past Friday and he invited Josh Gordon who also has some issues. Josh will probably be gone soon also. These guys are ******** and I just shake my head because these guys are making a lot of money and they can't even come to a meeting on time and they won't go to the doctor when they're supposed to. This is the example of spoiled players who need a reality check and Browns management is letting them know about it.