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Old 11-21-2014, 01:08 PM   #1
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Question A new theory on who murdered JonBenet Ramsey

The most popular theory is that there was no intruder who murdered Jonbenet, it was the parents. There may be different ideas as to which parent, acting alone, and whether the brother Burke was involved. With the announcement of DNA evidence the DA's office has stated the weight of evidence is in the intruder theory and not the Ramsey's. As Obi Wan of Star Wars once said, "these are not the droids you are looking for. Move along."

If it was an intruder then who was that intruder? Why hasn't he struck again?

Why would an intruder write a 3 page ransom note with a ransom demand, but not remove the body to collect a ransom money? Why Christmas?

For an intruder to do this, he would have to be comfortable entering an occupied home on Christmas.

There's a theory that identifies a suspect who has committed similar crimes before

here's a link

http://www.crimeshots.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11934
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If it was an intruder then who was that intruder?
That's what the police are trying to figure out.

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Why hasn't he struck again?
As I was saying recently in the other thread on this case (that's currently on page 1 of this forum), since we don't know who it is, you can't say he hasn't struck again. You also can't say he hadn't done this before JonBenet. There was a similar situation months later.

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Why would an intruder write a 3 page ransom note with a ransom demand, but not remove the body to collect a ransom money?
There was evidence he stuffed her in a suitcase and tried to get out the window, but it was too heavy for him to carry. He had to alter his plans.

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Why Christmas?
You'd have to ask him.

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For an intruder to do this, he would have to be comfortable entering an occupied home on Christmas.
You're misinformed. The Ramsey house was unoccupied for a large chunk of time on Christmas Day while they went to another Christmas party.

May I suggest you greater familiarize yourself with the evidence. This site is a tremendous resource of known facts of the case

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/...mily%20Friends
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Old 11-22-2014, 11:05 AM   #3
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yeah this link identifies a suspect

http://www.crimeshots.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11934
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Old 11-24-2014, 01:21 PM   #4
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Mr. Cruel?

The ransom letter had a plethora of Americanisms, American idioms, and American English spelling.

Even though the writer attempted to sound foreign, it was clearly written by an American.

Mr. Cruel is from Australia, not the US. I doubt there is a connection.
can you provide evidence?
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Old 11-24-2014, 03:12 PM   #5
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You know that Australians speak English and watch Hollywood movies?

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/how-fa...430-zr1qz.html

How fat cats are advising us on the rich-poor gap

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Cat_and_Friends\

Fat Cat and Friends was an Australian children's television show starring Fat Cat (full name: Frederick Alphonso Tubsy Cat[2]), an orange/ginger anthropomorphic cat who wears red braces, a blue bow tie and a green bowler hat and striped socks. The show was similar in concept to Here's Humphrey featuring Humphrey B. Bear. One of the main hosts was Lynn Weston, who would later host "The Book Place".
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It was produced in the studios of Network 10 Adelaide and it survived the 1987 frequency switch of channels 10 & 7 in Adelaide.

Fat Cat and Friends was written, directed and produced by Murray George for 13 years. It was then produced by Channel 10.
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Definitely the letter sounds like it was written by an American. However that is definitely NOT a fact, either.
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Fat Cat is Aussie for Rich guy
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I agree with RebZissel regarding the author using American terminology, spelling, phrases, etc.

I think the writer was an American. If not, then they were educated in and/or spent a lot of time in the US.

If the writer was educated in "British English" instead of "American English", they definitely wouldn't have said "that good southern common sense", and they wouldn't have told John to put the money in a paper "bag". They would have likely said paper "sack". Most countries where English is taught as a first or second language teach the British style.

Just the fact that the writer has to describe themselves as a "small foreign faction" tells me that they're locals. No foreigner describes themselves that way. That's more how someone in a specific area would describe someone from outside that specific area: foreign car, foreign origin, foreign language, foreign food, foreign currency, foreign regime, foreigner, etc.
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I agree with RebZissel regarding the author using American terminology, spelling, phrases, etc.

I think the writer was an American. If not, then they were educated in and/or spent a lot of time in the US.

If the writer was educated in "British English" instead of "American English", they definitely wouldn't have said "that good southern common sense", and they wouldn't have told John to put the money in a paper "bag". They would have likely said paper "sack". Most countries where English is taught as a first or second language teach the British style.

Just the fact that the writer has to describe themselves as a "small foreign faction" tells me that they're locals. No foreigner describes themselves that way. That's more how someone in a specific area would describe someone from outside that specific area: foreign car, foreign origin, foreign language, foreign food, foreign currency, foreign regime, foreigner, etc.
I think that IF it was "a small foreign faction" who was into kidnapping, they would go after many wealthier families than the Ramseys.
This killer went after JBR BECAUSE she was Jonbenet Ramsey, not because he wanted money, and I cannot be 100% sure if his motivation was primarily because of pedophilia or sadism (while those two factors are still obviously secondary motivations to him OR HER).
We just don't know if there were ANCILLARY issues led him to target her. Hate against John Ramsey, against Patsy, against wealthy people, or hate due to his internal ideations of child beauty pageant contestants, against the mother or the daughter for winning the contests.

As far as the killer's nationality goes, the term "Fat Cat" would lend to him being slightly more Australian than American, but mostly he sounds American.
Australian man Paul Peters (the man who flew to Australia to place a collar bomb onto a teenage girl) would have mostly written letters in American English after so many years living here as a highly paid representative of his New York City employers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y2adP2irYQ
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a small foreign faction could mean he's from australia
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The Mosman Collar Bomb Extortionist indirectly cited a "small foreign faction" when he claimed to be from the "American Special Forces Green Berets" in his ransom note to Madeleine Pulvers father. (Green Berets are a "small foreign faction" to the Australians)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n60e2ltI0W8
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It's been said that the DNA evidence this case is by no means a slam dunk.

My theory: Burke did it and one or both of the parents covered it up.
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It's been said that the DNA evidence this case is by no means a slam dunk.

My theory: Burke did it and one or both of the parents covered it up.
by a DNA expert or someone with an axe to grind
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The Mosman Collar Bomb Extortionist indirectly cited a "small foreign faction" when he claimed to be from the "American Special Forces Green Berets" in his ransom note to Madeleine Pulvers father. (Green Berets are a "small foreign faction" to the Australians)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n60e2ltI0W8
why would he go after jonbenet?

mr cruel likes little girls
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It's been said that the DNA evidence this case is by no means a slam dunk.

My theory: Burke did it and one or both of the parents covered it up.
Your theory is possible, in a general sense. I have seen first hand that kids can explode into a rage and not know what they are doing.

But if that were the case here, then Jonbenet would have still been alive (though unconscious) with only a bad bump of the head when the parents found her, (and police say she was still alive after the blow to the head, before she was strangled).

I cannot imagine either of the parents going to that extreme, to finish her off to cover for the boy if she were still alive after the blow to the head, and there is no evidence to suggest that the parents were that crazy.

Also, the ransom note is just a little too detailed for me to accept that it was invented on the spur of the moment by the panicking mother after an unplanned household catastrophe.
Check out this partial overview of the ransom note details here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJuLg-E7U_w
There are too many unnecessary and dramatic flourishes and details in the note for it to be spontaniously from the mother, unless she had been working on it for weeks. Or unless she had the most vivid and active imagination you ever saw.

I would like to see on one of the crime shows a serious criminal profiler, like Dale Hinman do a profile on the perpetrator.
Not the entitled and narcissistic profilers who look at handwriting like they are looking at tea leaves, and who say "The perpetrator was a wealthy and educated woman in her early forties".
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