What makes the Dana Point Jane Doe "spiritual" and mystical

[neognosis]

the dana point jane doe was ruled a suicide, she was the one who jumped and fell to her death in a suicide. she had no ID. She has never been ID.


what makes the dana point jane doe "spiritual" and mystical for me is not only is this apparently good looking girl from margins of society commit suicide and die alone but that
1- she died by jumping off a cliff
2- she died on a beach at night alone
3- she died by crashing waves

she didn't die immediately. she was alive for some time after the jump.

her last action before her life expired

she died making angels in the sand.

i kinda see that as a joan of arc mystical life. she had only $18 and change, she wore second-hand clothing. she had cavities.

i wonder as she looked up into the moonless night sky, she could hear the crashing of the ocean waves, her last thought was she is now free, she is now an angel. she is now after just 18 years of life, leaving it all behind.

kinda sad.

honestly if i were to die i kinda wanna die same place and doing the same thing, making a sand angel.

[DanCart]

neognosis Welcome to this forum

Its ironic you start this thread because just a couple hours ago I was looking up the Dana Point Jane Doe

When I last watched that segment recently it also occured to me that before she jumped off she was standing on a cliff in the dark with only the crashing waves and ocean making a sound , its quite a surreal experience standing on the shore at night on a deserted beach listening to the sound with only darkness ahead ....its a shame she stood there under such sad circumstances.

I have also wondered about whether she looked up into the dark sky and I would agree with your sentiment that maybe she felt she was about to be free as she was about to jump. Its a real sad story and her clothes have made me wonder about what her life was like and why she wound up in that situation...

[neognosis]

Originally Posted by DanCart

neognosis Welcome to this forum

Its ironic you start this thread because just a couple hours ago I was looking up the Dana Point Jane Doe

When I last watched that segment recently it also occured to me that before she jumped off she was standing on a cliff in the dark with only the crashing waves and ocean making a sound , its quite a surreal experience standing on the shore at night on a deserted beach listening to the sound with only darkness ahead ....its a shame she stood there under such sad circumstances.

I have also wondered about whether she looked up into the dark sky and I would agree with your sentiment that maybe she felt she was about to be free as she was about to jump. Its a real sad story and her clothes have made me wonder about what her life was like and why she wound up in that situation...

hey thank you. must be a mystical synchronicity.

it's possible to be "skeptical" in that after the fall she is in a lot of pain, and so she randomly moved her limbs that made impressions in the sand that the coronor's opinion was an angel, but in my imagination, she had a kind of heavenly experience.

yeah it is a surreal experience. i'm thinking of the mystical poem dark night of the soul by john of the cross.

in my imagination, she was going through a dark night of the soul, she picked the night on a moonless night to symbolize her spiritual struggles. creating an angel in the sand as a kind of light a kind of transformation a release from the pain and suffering of this world.

it is sad story and i also wonder what her life was like and what drove her to suicide. i wonder how no one can identify her no one seems to miss her. she appears only 18.

what made u think of her. ?

[neognosis]

Originally Posted by DanCart

neognosis Welcome to this forum

Its ironic you start this thread because just a couple hours ago I was looking up the Dana Point Jane Doe .

law of attraction? premonition? psychic? telepathy?

just a couple of days ago i recalled that episode in UM, and started to look it up.

[DanCart]

Definitely some mystical synchronicity & telepathy

Yes, I agree with your thoughts about the moonless night symbolizing her soul and struggles at that time ....everytime I visualize her last moments on the cliff I just see and feel darkness , its almost haunting

As for what made me think about her , I cant put it precisely in words ..........but for some reason my thoughts suddenly shifted to her , she was pretty and young and yet so tragic , I have also recently been haunted by another young jane doe from Huntsville .....

I think about Dana Point Jane Doe whenever I am at the beach looking at the ocean, she is indeed mystical .....

[neognosis]

Originally Posted by DanCart

Definitely some mystical synchronicity & telepathy

As for what made me think about her , I cant put it precisely in words ..........but for some reason my thoughts suddenly shifted to her , she was pretty and young and yet so tragic , I have also recently been haunted by another young jane doe from Huntsville .....

I think about Dana Point Jane Doe whenever I am at the beach looking at the ocean, she is indeed mystical .....

aterlife.

[DanCart]

Yes I was referring to the Walker county Jane Doe , tragic case

There must be some form of afterlife , extra-sensory perceptions definitely point to there being something more to us beyond our flesh and bones and stories like DPJD do symbolize aspects and the meaning of life ....

Speaking of DPJD , given that she chose to end her life near the ocean I feel that maybe the sea or ocean had some symbolism (of maybe freedom and peace) to her thus she felt she could be free from the troubles of the world in the one place that meant something to her.

I am intrigued by your connecting the troubles in her soul to the moonless night of her fateful day because everytime I read or think of this case , I cant escape the thought of how dark it was on that cliff edge .....

[neognosis]

Originally Posted by DanCart

Yes I was referring to the Walker county Jane Doe , tragic case

There must be some form of afterlife , extra-sensory perceptions definitely point to there being something more to us beyond our flesh and bones and stories like DPJD do symbolize aspects and the meaning of life ....

Speaking of DPJD , given that she chose to end her life near the ocean I feel that maybe the sea or ocean had some symbolism (of maybe freedom and peace) to her thus she felt she could be free from the troubles of the world in the one place that meant something to her.

I am intrigued by your connecting the troubles in her soul to the moonless night of her fateful day because everytime I read or think of this case , I cant escape the thought of how dark it was on that cliff edge .....

i made the connection in part b/c there are so many ways to commit suicide. so many. i mean why 4 am in the morning on a cliff far away from family and friends? i mean if a teen girl was going to commit suicide why not in the home in the bedroom by hanging?

why so far apart from friends neighbors classmates and family? why no ID? why at night? why by a beach?

[DALLASTEXAN!!]

I haven't been to that exact location but I've been near there and it is a beautiful and somewhat mystical place. I do wonder what her intentions were and if it was indeed a suicide but I can't help but think that she loved that area. Likewise the man that died in the New Mexico desert felt a spiritual calling to fight "the beast" and died in the elements. I love the natural beauty of the western United States.

I hope this jane doe is solved one day.

[DanCart]

Originally Posted by DALLASTEXAN!!

I haven't been to that exact location but I've been near there and it is a beautiful and somewhat mystical place.

Interesting stuff !

Originally Posted by DALLASTEXAN!!

I do wonder what her intentions were and if it was indeed a suicide but I can't help but think that she loved that area.

I hope this jane doe is solved one day.

I have also wondered about whether she had some kind connection with that coastline area ....maybe from when she was younger, or maybe she read and saw the beauty and she felt she had to visit it at some point ....

Originally Posted by DALLASTEXAN!!

Likewise the man that died in the New Mexico desert felt a spiritual calling to fight "the beast" and died in the elements. I love the natural beauty of the western United States.

yes , absolutely


@ neognosis

Interesting questions you posed there , I think the answers to those questions would be that her home life was far from good and maybe her family just thought she ran away and never bothered to report her missing or if she was reported missing maybe the police thought she was a runaway which is why no connection and identification has been made in this case.....

Interestingly enough 9 years ago a lady who was buried as a Jane Doe in Florida only got identified after her sister finally filed a missing persons report in Iowa after not hearing from her since 1986 ........

[amandab1234]

This case fascinated me because of the way the character portrayed her. We aren’t even sure if she committed suicide yet the actress portrayed her as a sad lonely woman. (IMO)

[WishfulDreamer]

We really don't know if she jumped or fell, or was even pushed (that might be a stretch as there would likely be evidence of another person left behind). I do wonder if she was planning to jump from the towers in Laguna Beach that she was trying to get to or if she had plans to meet someone.

Sometimes when looking on CP I see if I find anyone who resembles her. Hopefully she will be identified someday.

[neognosis]

Originally Posted by amandab1234

This case fascinated me because of the way the character portrayed her. We aren’t even sure if she committed suicide yet the actress portrayed her as a sad lonely woman. (IMO)

suicide best explains the facts of the case with the fewest assumption's (occam's razor) and is the official explanation after an investigation

[neognosis]

Originally Posted by WishfulDreamer

We really don't know if she jumped or fell, or was even pushed (that might be a stretch as there would likely be evidence of another person left behind). I do wonder if she was planning to jump from the towers in Laguna Beach that she was trying to get to or if she had plans to meet someone.

Sometimes when looking on CP I see if I find anyone who resembles her. Hopefully she will be identified someday.

the best explains the facts of the case with the fewest assumption's (occam's razor) and is the official explanation after an investigation

is she likely jumped in a suicide, based on totality of evidence, circumstantial evidence, witness statements.

she had to climb over a fence in the middle of the night in near total darkness.

[DanCart]

Originally Posted by amandab1234

This case fascinated me because of the way the character portrayed her. We aren’t even sure if she committed suicide yet the actress portrayed her as a sad lonely woman. (IMO)

I think its most certainly a suicide because :
(a)the taxi driver driver described her as looking unhappy

(b) to get to the edge of the cliff you had to go over a fence so its most likely she went over it for a specific reason

(c) related to b - if you try and consider the other possibility things dont quite fit in e.g. an attacker would have had to have taken her over the fence which would have been a problem especially in the darkness and there would have been signs of a struggle ( of which there was none) instead all that was found near the cliff was a purse and soda can
(d) she was reported to have previously asked about tall buildings in the area

so if you add all that up it points towards suicide and less towards an accident or homicide ....