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sammyanddiane · 03-12-2002, 07:30 PM

hey guys i was just thinking about this and i seriously think that i would call sam a yuppie,since it was the peak years for the yuppie
group of the 80s,i mean sam was once a baseball player so he must have had alot of cash and he quit young and good looking to,and he had alot of friends and he was a bussniess man and diane was a young successful and smart lady to and norm was a fairly successful busniess man for a while anyways,but i guess i just seem to identify with these people as yuppies,but i do mean it in a good way though,since i find yuppies cool,and rebbeca and lilith and frasier definitlly fit that model i think,i think they were defintly yuppies which is cool,what do you think?just currious about this one,i can kind of relate to them from the characters on thirty something and other yuppie shows,do you see them as yuppies on the show cheers thanks lol

Central Perk · 03-12-2002, 09:42 PM

Hmmmm I would consider most all sitcom characters yuppies. Just because sam played major league baseball doesn't mean he made big bucks....he was no barry bonds or babe ruth. His career probably only lasted a few years and he was an alchoholic.

Diane Chambers-Malone · 03-13-2002, 05:14 PM

Maybe they were yuppies. I think you were right about Lilith, Rebecca, and Frasier. Diane I think could have possibly been one, but she was more intellegent than anything else. I think I would define a yuppy as a young person (in the 80s) who was out to make a buck. Diane was more naturally intellegent, and she never gave me the sense that she was a money worshipper. Rebecca definately was a yuppy. She was probably a perfect example. She wanted to be rich and her career was her life. Sam definately was not a yuppy in my opinion. In fact, he often spoke in ways that led you to believe that he did not throw money around. In some ways I believe he was even a penny pincher. He did end his career in baseball rather early. That was stated many times. His alcoholism did interfer and shortened his baseball career. Good question though, SammyandDiane!

sammyanddiane · 03-13-2002, 09:00 PM

thanks,yeah coming to think about it sam doesn,t seem like the kind of guy at all who go after money,he just had a greater vaule system now that you mention it and does certinlly seem to be more of a thrifty person,but even though sam was definitlly not a major baseball player i personally think he probably still would make alot for simply even just for being on the redsox,but then again i know hardly anything about sports so i could be wrong on it also,but i think even amaturs get alot,but i guess most sitcom characters from the 80s are yuppies since they do such seem to a have nice jobs and make alot of dollars and have nice clothes,but i agree that rebbeca was definitlly a yuppie,but i don,t really quit think that frasier was after just cash nor lilith,diane could definitlly have been one i think because she was young bright and articlate
well this does answear my question,thanks guys,lol

TV Guy · 03-22-2002, 08:10 PM

One of the jokes when Rebecca took over as manager of Cheers was that she put in ferns, and "fern bars" attracted a lot of yuppies in the 1980s. Norm even complains in the first Rebecca episode that "the new crowd's a bunch of stiffs". When Sam regained control of the bar, one of the first things he did was to throw out all the ferns.

Diane Chambers-Malone · 03-22-2002, 08:40 PM

Wow, I am impressed! Good observation.

Dr. Lilith Sternin · 03-22-2002, 10:52 PM

I wouldn't consider Lilith a yuppie in the beginning. She gradually transformed into a yuppie. When the character was initially written, she was meant to be a complete yuppie, but Bebe took the character in a different angle.

She totally transformed into a yuppie, though. I think it was Frasier's effect on her.

Season 5 is really the only season I would have to say she was anti-yuppie. Yuppies are snobbish, but also have a theatrical flare to them. They're rather eccentric.

I have to say, I don't agree with Sam being a yuppie. He's so ANTI-yuppyish. The only thing that could possibly qualify under being a yuppie is his enormous ego. He's not eccentric though. He doesn't fit into the category.

The only true yuppies on Cheers were Frasier, Diane, and Rebecca, and eventually Lilith. Lilith came into her own as a yuppie. She still is borderline, though!

If I was in on the Cheers gang, I'd have been a part of the yuppie crew, at least attitude wise. Oh, how exciting.

Can you feel the sarcasm? Can ya?

Samsgirl xo · 03-23-2002, 12:47 AM

everyone would probably hate me after a while and do voodoo on me or something on the set.. like rhea perlman after a while wouldve burned my hair

Dr. Lilith Sternin · 03-23-2002, 03:17 PM

Burned your hair?! AH! Not the hair! No one messes with MY hair!

That reminds me of that song I wrote about Alanna... ROTFL. Do I dare post it? LOL Hmm... I'll have to ponder on that one over my cup of green tea... WOOHOO for tea.

Look, I'm in the 70's range now! Go me!

Samsgirl xo · 03-23-2002, 04:12 PM

Yay! happy 70'th.. you could retire if you were old... so what song??

type it!

Very very nosey::

Janice · 03-24-2002, 02:12 AM

The term yuppie is derived from--Young Urban Professional (YUP...yuppie).
I think Frasier, Lilith, and even Norm (when he was in the corporate world) would meet this yuppie criteria. Sam would qualify as well as the owner of a business.
As for Carla, Diane and Cliff--I don't think they were yuppies.
Another term for a yuppie couple is DINK--Dual Income, No Kids.
That would be Frasier and Lilith before Frederick.

Samsgirl xo · 03-24-2002, 02:16 PM

interesting interesting

Dr. Lilith Sternin · 03-24-2002, 07:47 PM

I still don't think Sam qualifies as a yuppie just because he owns a business. I mean, yuppies still lay on that line of social status. Sam was NOT on a higher social status because he owned a bar. LOL Young urban professional, eh? Diane would still qualify attitude wise. She was out to make it big as a novelist, and... though her years at the bar proved not to be "bringing in the big bucks", so to say, she was still aiming for that level of professionalism. You have to start somewhere.

When people refer to yuppies, they're generally stereotyping a certain genre. There are those who are "young urban professionals," but still do not qualify in that group. Sam and Norm technically were professionals. They were young (well, at one point...). They weren't yuppies. Yuppies tend to strive for not only money, but social status as well. It's their goal to move on up in the world. They enjoy the finer things in life, and yes, like I stated before -- they tend to be more on the eccentric side. I still say Frasier, Lilith, Diane, and Rebecca were the only true yuppies at the bar.

As for "dinks"... I find that fascinating. LOL Lilith and Frasier were dinks, eh? That's certainly something I hope I'm never referred to as. What a horrid description.

Janice · 03-24-2002, 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by Dr. Lilith Sternin
I still don't think Sam qualifies as a yuppie just because he owns a business. I mean, yuppies still lay on that line of social status. Sam was NOT on a higher social status because he owned a bar. LOL Young urban professional, eh?

Yes, I think Sam is a young urban professional aka yuppie. He was young and owned a professional business. The nature of his business is irrelevant--a popular Boston bar or the CEO of a computer company? Fact is, he owned a lucrative professional business.

Diane would still qualify attitude wise. She was out to make it big as a novelist, and... though her years at the bar proved not to be "bringing in the big bucks", so to say, she was still aiming for that level of professionalism. You have to start somewhere.

Being a yuppie is not a state of mind. Diane certainly strived to be a success and eventually achieved her goal. During her Cheers years, however, she was a waitress, and a waitress isn't a yuppie. If a cab driver yearns to be an executive, that doesn't make him a yuppie.

When people refer to yuppies, they're generally stereotyping a certain genre. There are those who are "young urban professionals," but still do not qualify in that group. Sam and Norm technically were professionals. They were young (well, at one point...). They weren't yuppies. Yuppies tend to strive for not only money, but social status as well. It's their goal to move on up in the world.

I live in Boston, and take my word for this--if you own a successful bar in Boston, you've got social status.

They enjoy the finer things in life, and yes, like I stated before -- they tend to be more on the eccentric side.

I've never heard that a person has to be eccentric to be a yuppie.
Also, Sam enjoyed the finer things in life--he dressed well, drove an expensive car, etc. He was a little rough around the edges, but if someone never met him and saw his credentials on paper, they'd agree he was a yuppie.

As for "dinks"... I find that fascinating. LOL Lilith and Frasier were dinks, eh? That's certainly something I hope I'm never referred to as. What a horrid description.

Dinks--it is a weird, yet hardly horrid, description. When the term first surfaced, lots of our friends called my husband and I Dinks. It's an affectionate term, and I never took offense to it. On the contrary, I felt flattered. Childless yuppies--we had a sense of humor regarding the term.

As for Rebecca, she qualifies. She was in management and worked for a professional business.
That's my two cent's worth.

Janice · 03-24-2002, 10:05 PM

Sorry, I haven't mastered how to reply with quotes lol, but I think everyone understands what I'm trying to convey.

03-12-2002, 07:30 PM	#1
sammyanddiane Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Dec 28, 2001 Location: canada Posts: 427	do consider the gang at cheers to be yuppies hey guys i was just thinking about this and i seriously think that i would call sam a yuppie,since it was the peak years for the yuppie group of the 80s,i mean sam was once a baseball player so he must have had alot of cash and he quit young and good looking to,and he had alot of friends and he was a bussniess man and diane was a young successful and smart lady to and norm was a fairly successful busniess man for a while anyways,but i guess i just seem to identify with these people as yuppies,but i do mean it in a good way though,since i find yuppies cool,and rebbeca and lilith and frasier definitlly fit that model i think,i think they were defintly yuppies which is cool,what do you think?just currious about this one,i can kind of relate to them from the characters on thirty something and other yuppie shows,do you see them as yuppies on the show cheers thanks lol

03-13-2002, 05:14 PM	#3
Diane Chambers-Malone "Shelley Long Fan" Frequent Poster Join Date: Dec 28, 2001 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 136	Maybe they were yuppies. I think you were right about Lilith, Rebecca, and Frasier. Diane I think could have possibly been one, but she was more intellegent than anything else. I think I would define a yuppy as a young person (in the 80s) who was out to make a buck. Diane was more naturally intellegent, and she never gave me the sense that she was a money worshipper. Rebecca definately was a yuppy. She was probably a perfect example. She wanted to be rich and her career was her life. Sam definately was not a yuppy in my opinion. In fact, he often spoke in ways that led you to believe that he did not throw money around. In some ways I believe he was even a penny pincher. He did end his career in baseball rather early. That was stated many times. His alcoholism did interfer and shortened his baseball career. Good question though, SammyandDiane!
	__________________ ~Alanna~ ~"I'm not perfect, but I'd like to be perfect. I'm working on it."-Shelley Long~ ~"Let Light and Love Prevail"-Shelley Long~ ~Sam: "I've never met an intelligent woman I'd want to date!" Diane: On behalf of all of the intelligent women around the world, let me just say 'WHEW!' "~ *DCheersFanC@aol.com*

03-22-2002, 08:10 PM	#5
TV Guy Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 25, 2001 Location: Boston, MA, USA Posts: 3,419	One of the jokes when Rebecca took over as manager of Cheers was that she put in ferns, and "fern bars" attracted a lot of yuppies in the 1980s. Norm even complains in the first Rebecca episode that "the new crowd's a bunch of stiffs". When Sam regained control of the bar, one of the first things he did was to throw out all the ferns.
	Last edited by TV Guy; 03-22-2002 at 08:16 PM.

03-22-2002, 10:52 PM	#7
Dr. Lilith Sternin Ice Cube in Heels Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 31, 2002 Posts: 523	I wouldn't consider Lilith a yuppie in the beginning. She gradually transformed into a yuppie. When the character was initially written, she was meant to be a complete yuppie, but Bebe took the character in a different angle. She totally transformed into a yuppie, though. I think it was Frasier's effect on her. Season 5 is really the only season I would have to say she was anti-yuppie. Yuppies are snobbish, but also have a theatrical flare to them. They're rather eccentric. I have to say, I don't agree with Sam being a yuppie. He's so ANTI-yuppyish. The only thing that could possibly qualify under being a yuppie is his enormous ego. He's not eccentric though. He doesn't fit into the category. The only true yuppies on Cheers were Frasier, Diane, and Rebecca, and eventually Lilith. Lilith came into her own as a yuppie. She still is borderline, though! If I was in on the Cheers gang, I'd have been a part of the yuppie crew, at least attitude wise. Oh, how exciting. Can you feel the sarcasm? Can ya?
	__________________ "Musical theatre -- it's totally American and when it's good, it's like nothing else." ~Bebe Neuwirth </center> Lilith: I mapped out our dominant and recessive traits on a genome square, applied Mendel's laws, allowed for anomolies, and concluded that you are the best biological choice. Frasier: I see. Well, enticed as I am by your honeyed words, I'm gonna need some kissin'. Lilith: Frasier, don't misunderstand. I'm not proposing any change in our relationship. Frasier: Would we sleep together? Lilith: I thought we'd freeze your sperm. Frasier: Is that a yes or a no? Lilith: Natural fertilization isn't practical. I'd have to fly to Seattle every time I ovulate. Frasier: Right, okay. So then, your plan is for me to visit some local doctor, freeze my essence, and then bring it home with you. Lilith: Correct. I'll take mine to go! Last edited by Dr. Lilith Sternin; 03-24-2002 at 07:49 PM.

03-24-2002, 02:12 AM	#11
Janice Retired Admin - Hollywood Swingin' Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 03, 2001 Location: Beantown Posts: 36,388	The term yuppie is derived from--Young Urban Professional (YUP...yuppie). I think Frasier, Lilith, and even Norm (when he was in the corporate world) would meet this yuppie criteria. Sam would qualify as well as the owner of a business. As for Carla, Diane and Cliff--I don't think they were yuppies. Another term for a yuppie couple is DINK--Dual Income, No Kids. That would be Frasier and Lilith before Frederick.
	Last edited by Janice; 03-24-2002 at 03:42 PM.

03-12-2002, 09:42 PM	#2
Central Perk ~~~~~ Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 10, 2002 Posts: 4,553	Hmmmm I would consider most all sitcom characters yuppies. Just because sam played major league baseball doesn't mean he made big bucks....he was no barry bonds or babe ruth. His career probably only lasted a few years and he was an alchoholic.

03-13-2002, 09:00 PM	#4
sammyanddiane Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Dec 28, 2001 Location: canada Posts: 427	thanks,yeah coming to think about it sam doesn,t seem like the kind of guy at all who go after money,he just had a greater vaule system now that you mention it and does certinlly seem to be more of a thrifty person,but even though sam was definitlly not a major baseball player i personally think he probably still would make alot for simply even just for being on the redsox,but then again i know hardly anything about sports so i could be wrong on it also,but i think even amaturs get alot,but i guess most sitcom characters from the 80s are yuppies since they do such seem to a have nice jobs and make alot of dollars and have nice clothes,but i agree that rebbeca was definitlly a yuppie,but i don,t really quit think that frasier was after just cash nor lilith,diane could definitlly have been one i think because she was young bright and articlate well this does answear my question,thanks guys,lol

03-22-2002, 08:40 PM	#6
Diane Chambers-Malone "Shelley Long Fan" Frequent Poster Join Date: Dec 28, 2001 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 136	Wow, I am impressed! Good observation.

03-23-2002, 12:47 AM	#8
Samsgirl xo I luv my hitachi vcr Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 14, 2002 Posts: 761	everyone would probably hate me after a while and do voodoo on me or something on the set.. like rhea perlman after a while wouldve burned my hair

03-23-2002, 03:17 PM	#9
Dr. Lilith Sternin Ice Cube in Heels Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 31, 2002 Posts: 523	Burned your hair?! AH! Not the hair! No one messes with MY hair! That reminds me of that song I wrote about Alanna... ROTFL. Do I dare post it? LOL Hmm... I'll have to ponder on that one over my cup of green tea... WOOHOO for tea. Look, I'm in the 70's range now! Go me!

03-23-2002, 04:12 PM	#10
Samsgirl xo I luv my hitachi vcr Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 14, 2002 Posts: 761	Yay! happy 70'th.. you could retire if you were old... so what song?? type it! Very very nosey::

03-24-2002, 02:16 PM	#12
Samsgirl xo I luv my hitachi vcr Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 14, 2002 Posts: 761	interesting interesting

03-24-2002, 07:47 PM	#13
Dr. Lilith Sternin Ice Cube in Heels Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 31, 2002 Posts: 523	I still don't think Sam qualifies as a yuppie just because he owns a business. I mean, yuppies still lay on that line of social status. Sam was NOT on a higher social status because he owned a bar. LOL Young urban professional, eh? Diane would still qualify attitude wise. She was out to make it big as a novelist, and... though her years at the bar proved not to be "bringing in the big bucks", so to say, she was still aiming for that level of professionalism. You have to start somewhere. When people refer to yuppies, they're generally stereotyping a certain genre. There are those who are "young urban professionals," but still do not qualify in that group. Sam and Norm technically were professionals. They were young (well, at one point...). They weren't yuppies. Yuppies tend to strive for not only money, but social status as well. It's their goal to move on up in the world. They enjoy the finer things in life, and yes, like I stated before -- they tend to be more on the eccentric side. I still say Frasier, Lilith, Diane, and Rebecca were the only true yuppies at the bar. As for "dinks"... I find that fascinating. LOL Lilith and Frasier were dinks, eh? That's certainly something I hope I'm never referred to as. What a horrid description.

03-24-2002, 10:05 PM	#15
Janice Retired Admin - Hollywood Swingin' Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 03, 2001 Location: Beantown Posts: 36,388	Sorry, I haven't mastered how to reply with quotes lol, but I think everyone understands what I'm trying to convey.