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TVFactFan · 06-10-2014, 11:28 AM

Cancelled or that the show just ended? I mean how can we use the word cancelled after a 11 year run? Seems like its more accurate to say the show just ended because the network felt it was on the air for a decade and the time was right to end it

When I think of cancelled I think of a show that didn't reach 5 seasons. Not a show that lasted 11 seasons. Do you agree?

By the way, I'm referring to the Jeffersons

bmasters9 · 06-10-2014, 12:49 PM

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Cancelled or that the show just ended? I mean how can we use the word cancelled after a 11 year run? Seems like its more accurate to say the show just ended because the network felt it was on the air for a decade and the time was right to end it

When I think of cancelled I think of a show that didn't reach 5 seasons. Not a show that lasted 11 seasons. Do you agree?

By the way, I'm referring to the Jeffersons

I think that "ended" is the proper word for shows like The Jeffersons, Dallas, Knots Landing, Perry Mason, and similar long-runners.

Mr. Television · 06-10-2014, 12:53 PM

Well The Jeffersons & MWC were cancelled. You can tell by how the cast reacted. Both should have tried to end the show properly. They were given hints that they weren't coming back.

bmasters9 · 06-10-2014, 12:55 PM

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Well The Jeffersons & MWC were cancelled. You can tell by how the cast reacted.

So, what you're saying is, no matter if it ran for 20 years, if it ended, the cast would still treat it as if it were cancelled? Doesn't sound right to me.

Mr. Television · 06-10-2014, 01:13 PM

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So, what you're saying is, no matter if it ran for 20 years, if it ended, the cast would still treat it as if it were cancelled? Doesn't sound right to me.

What difference does it make if it's 20 years or five years? If the show's cancelled then it's cancelled. Most shows agree to end on it's own long before that though.

TVFactFan · 06-10-2014, 01:51 PM

I kjust can't ook at it as a cancellation because of the long riun. To me it was more like.."There was no more to be done" since the show did its job for the network.

HugeBensonFan · 06-10-2014, 01:58 PM

after 11 years you think the jeffersons or any show would have a proper ending if it wasn't cancelled.

Mr. Television · 06-10-2014, 02:25 PM

I know it's not a sitcom but take Law and Order for example. It ran 20 years and The producer tried like crazy to get it picked up by another network. He didn't and the show had no concluding episode. It just ended.

Mr. Television · 06-10-2014, 02:28 PM

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after 11 years you think the jeffersons or any show would have a proper ending if it wasn't cancelled.

The Jeffersons were living in denial because everyone knew that show was dead. The same thing happened with Alice that same year but they were smart enough to film a final episode. I had stopped watching both shows by then but I did tune into Alice to see the final episode. I would have done the same thing for The Jeffersons if they had one.

Adamantium · 06-10-2014, 03:49 PM

In my opinion on this matter, a show is cancelled when the network decides they don't want that show anymore. If it comes from the network then it's cancelled. If the people making the show decide to end it, then it's a show that ended. "The Jeffersons" was cancelled not because they were done making episodes but because the network no longer wanted the show. The fact that they didn't get to do a finale episode, which they wanted to do, is proof that the show was "cancelled" instead of simply "ended."

None of this takes away from "The Jeffersons." It had an impressive run - longer than most sitcoms out there. But in the end, the show was cancelled instead of being allowed to end on its own. That decision is unfair all around. It's unfair to the fans for not getting to have closure. It's unfair to the actors for not getting to put on a finale and know that the last one they're shooting is the last one forever. And it's unfair even to the network, who could have promoted a big finale for the series and brought in some bigger ratings than they probably got not doing that.

TVFactFan · 06-10-2014, 04:03 PM

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In my opinion on this matter, a show is cancelled when the network decides they don't want that show anymore. If it comes from the network then it's cancelled. If the people making the show decide to end it, then it's a show that ended. "The Jeffersons" was cancelled not because they were done making episodes but because the network no longer wanted the show. The fact that they didn't get to do a finale episode, which they wanted to do, is proof that the show was "cancelled" instead of simply "ended."

None of this takes away from "The Jeffersons." It had an impressive run - longer than most sitcoms out there. But in the end, the show was cancelled instead of being allowed to end on its own. That decision is unfair all around. It's unfair to the fans for not getting to have closure. It's unfair to the actors for not getting to put on a finale and know that the last one they're shooting is the last one forever. And it's unfair even to the network, who could have promoted a big finale for the series and brought in some bigger ratings than they probably got not doing that.

The show really didn't need a finale. I mean they were already on top of the world with 7 cleaning stores so not sure what kind of closure could have been done

Adamantium · 06-10-2014, 04:35 PM

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The show really didn't need a finale. I mean they were already on top of the world with 7 cleaning stores so not sure what kind of closure could have been done

Me neither but in 1993, the cast of "The Jeffersons" did a live show in Detroit. Here's the link to the article...

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,306248,00.html

and here's what the cast said about WHY they decided to take part in the live show...

So why did the others decide to re-create their sitcom on the boards?

Reason No. 1: no finale. ''They snatched the rug from under us while we were on hiatus,'' Sanford recalls of The Jeffersons' cancellation. Adds Roker: ''We had no closure.''

Reason No. 2: no respect. ''When a show is popular, sometimes the industry dismisses it,'' Cover laments and Hemsley agrees: ''Maybe part of this is giving ourselves the recognition.''

James28 · 06-10-2014, 04:58 PM

Some of this info was from an article from the Los Angeles Times, “’Jeffersons’ Out Of Cbs Lineup”, May 08, 1985

It was stated in the article that the cancellation of The Jeffersons came as no surprise, because its ratings and viewership had fallen badly. The show fell to 59th place among the 96 prime-time series which aired during the 1984-85 TV season, down from 19th place during the 1983-84 season (its 10th). Plus, Marla Gibbs, who played Florence the maid on The Jeffersons, was going to move on to a new sitcom, 227, over at NBC the following season (1985-86). Also, Alice, another CBS sitcom which ended during the 1984-85 season, did have a series-concluding episode, which aired in March of 1985.

Mr. Television · 06-10-2014, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by James28

Some of this info was from an article from the Los Angeles Times, “’Jeffersons’ Out Of Cbs Lineup”, May 08, 1985

It was stated in the article that the cancellation of The Jeffersons came as no surprise, because its ratings and viewership had fallen badly. The show fell to 59th place among the 96 prime-time series which aired during the 1984-85 TV season, down from 19th place during the 1983-84 season (its 10th). Plus, Marla Gibbs, who played Florence the maid on The Jeffersons, was going to move on to a new sitcom, 227, over at NBC the following season (1985-86). Also, Alice, another CBS sitcom which ended during the 1984-85 season, did have a series-concluding episode, which aired in March of 1985.

Exactly and that's right, Marla Gibbs had filmed the pilot for 227 that spring too. I supposed if The Jeffersons did get picked up she would have been obligated to stay on the Jeffersons. The Jeffersons' fate was sealed when it was moved opposite The A-Team.

TVFactFan · 06-10-2014, 07:39 PM

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Exactly and that's right, Marla Gibbs had filmed the pilot for 227 that spring too. I supposed if The Jeffersons did get picked up she would have been obligated to stay on the Jeffersons. The Jeffersons' fate was sealed when it was moved opposite The A-Team.

So the A-team knocked off Three's Company and the Jeffersons

06-10-2014, 11:28 AM	#1
TVFactFan Member Forum Junkie Join Date: Aug 17, 2002 Posts: 99,105	If a sitcom was on the air for 11 years and wasn't renewed can we say it was...... Cancelled or that the show just ended? I mean how can we use the word cancelled after a 11 year run? Seems like its more accurate to say the show just ended because the network felt it was on the air for a decade and the time was right to end it When I think of cancelled I think of a show that didn't reach 5 seasons. Not a show that lasted 11 seasons. Do you agree? By the way, I'm referring to the Jeffersons

06-10-2014, 12:53 PM	#3
Mr. Television 23 Years at Sitcoms Online Forum Icon Join Date: Jun 06, 2003 Location: Somewhere you're Not Posts: 62,132	Well The Jeffersons & MWC were cancelled. You can tell by how the cast reacted. Both should have tried to end the show properly. They were given hints that they weren't coming back.
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06-10-2014, 04:58 PM	#13
James28 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 14, 2007 Posts: 3,987	Some of this info was from an article from the Los Angeles Times, “’Jeffersons’ Out Of Cbs Lineup”, May 08, 1985 It was stated in the article that the cancellation of The Jeffersons came as no surprise, because its ratings and viewership had fallen badly. The show fell to 59th place among the 96 prime-time series which aired during the 1984-85 TV season, down from 19th place during the 1983-84 season (its 10th). Plus, Marla Gibbs, who played Florence the maid on The Jeffersons, was going to move on to a new sitcom, 227, over at NBC the following season (1985-86). Also, Alice, another CBS sitcom which ended during the 1984-85 season, did have a series-concluding episode, which aired in March of 1985.
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06-10-2014, 01:51 PM	#6
TVFactFan Member Forum Junkie Join Date: Aug 17, 2002 Posts: 99,105	I kjust can't ook at it as a cancellation because of the long riun. To me it was more like.."There was no more to be done" since the show did its job for the network.

06-10-2014, 01:58 PM	#7
HugeBensonFan Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Apr 23, 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 81	after 11 years you think the jeffersons or any show would have a proper ending if it wasn't cancelled.

06-10-2014, 02:25 PM	#8
Mr. Television 23 Years at Sitcoms Online Forum Icon Join Date: Jun 06, 2003 Location: Somewhere you're Not Posts: 62,132	I know it's not a sitcom but take Law and Order for example. It ran 20 years and The producer tried like crazy to get it picked up by another network. He didn't and the show had no concluding episode. It just ended.

06-10-2014, 03:49 PM	#10
Adamantium TVAdam No More Forum Veteran Join Date: Sep 11, 2002 Location: Springfield, Ohio Posts: 7,839	In my opinion on this matter, a show is cancelled when the network decides they don't want that show anymore. If it comes from the network then it's cancelled. If the people making the show decide to end it, then it's a show that ended. "The Jeffersons" was cancelled not because they were done making episodes but because the network no longer wanted the show. The fact that they didn't get to do a finale episode, which they wanted to do, is proof that the show was "cancelled" instead of simply "ended." None of this takes away from "The Jeffersons." It had an impressive run - longer than most sitcoms out there. But in the end, the show was cancelled instead of being allowed to end on its own. That decision is unfair all around. It's unfair to the fans for not getting to have closure. It's unfair to the actors for not getting to put on a finale and know that the last one they're shooting is the last one forever. And it's unfair even to the network, who could have promoted a big finale for the series and brought in some bigger ratings than they probably got not doing that.