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wiseguy182 · 02-11-2014, 09:10 AM

May not be so major.

WishfulDreamer · 02-14-2014, 08:06 AM

Fingers crossed that they can actually get some answers and link him to the crime.

TracyLynnS · 02-14-2014, 10:40 AM

He traveled the whole USA from the 1970s through the mid 1990s working with a carnival. He could have other victims all over the place.

The police are asking for other victims who recognize him to come forward, and they aren't giving much info about his known crimes. They did publish a timeline of places where they knew he was. On another forum, we're trying to connect him to other cases, find out what kind of car he had, how he traveled, what his MO and victim preferences are, etc. Here's what I found out about him after going over a bunch of news articles and some other documents:

POI - LLoyd Lee Welch Jr. AKA Michael Welch AKA Mike Welch

DOB - 12/30/1956 (MD court records source says 1952)

Arrested for a burglary in the same area as the Lyon sisters (so we know he's a burglar)

Convicted child sex offender (child victims, no ages given)

Jailed in DE since 1997 for several sex offenses

Known to hitchhike throughout the DC area (was this as a teen, before he got a car? He's originally from that area. Or was this a habit? He's preferred method of travel?)

Dad killed mom in a drunk driving accident. Welch was in the car at the time. Went into foster care. Back home around age 11/12, getting into trouble with the law.

Known to walk train tracks from Kensington to Silver Spring

Worked as a landscaper

Drifter

Stayed in homeless shelters and hotels

Originally from the DC area, traveled extensively throughout the US from the 1970s to the mid 1990s with a carnival company (and girlfriend Helen Craver, now deceased) often setting up at malls

Charged with raping juveniles in VA DE and SC (ages?)

Arrested in several states, charged with sexual offenses against young girls (so we know female victims, at least in these cases, I'm assuming no male victims in his known history)

In 1979, driving w/o license, in a 77Pont03. I assume 77 means the model year. I have no idea what that "03" means. I looked up Pontiac models available in 1977 on wikipedia to see if I could figure out if it was some kind of shorthand. These are the models from their list:

Acadian
Astre
Bonneville
Catalina
Firebird
Grand Prix
Safari
Grand Safari
LeMans
Phoenix
(Streamliner, Silver Streak, Torpedo, -models with no year given, could be antique?)
Sunbird
Trans Am
Ventura (compact)

Would "77Pont03" be a 3 door/hatchback description?

Looks like the Sunbird, Astre, Ventura, were hatchbacks

TracyLynnS · 02-14-2014, 10:45 AM

Here's the timeline/location information released by the FBI:

Date Location

January 9, 1974 Austin, Texas

March 25, 1975 Wheaton Plaza in Wheaton, Maryland

April 1, 1975 Address of 4714 Baltimore Avenue in Hyattsville, Maryland, provided to law enforcement

April 9, 1977 Takoma Park, Maryland

November 1977 Address of 1825 Main St. in Orlando, Florida, provided to law enforcement

November 24, 1977 Montgomery County, Maryland

March 13, 1980 North Miami Beach, Florida

September 15, 1981 Hyattsville, Maryland

April 15, 1982 to September 11, 1984 Incarcerated (Maryland)

March 18, 1987 Los Angeles, California

April 27, 1987 Sioux City, Iowa

January 13, 1988 Myrtle Beach, South Carolina

February 4, 1988 Sioux City, Iowa

December 20, 1988 Horry County, South Carolina

March 17, 1989 Horry County, South Carolina

September 1992 Lockhart, South Carolina

November 16, 1992 Clover, South Carolina

May 19, 1993 Union County, South Carolina

May 31, 1994 Union County, South Carolina

June 13, 1994 Baltimore, Maryland

June 21, 1994 Address of Road 3, Box 86 in Bedford, Pennsylvania, provided to law enforcement

July 13, 1994 Address of 1800 Elmerton Avenue in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, provided for sex offender registry

1995 Prince William County, Virginia

June 1996 Address of 2242 Sussex Court in Woodbridge, Virginia, provided to law enforcement

March 1997 New Castle County, Delaware

July 1997 to Present Incarcerated (Delaware)

Welch is also believed to have spent time in New York, but the related dates are unknown.

benoitbabe · 12-14-2014, 04:57 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...n_5928030.html

Hamill announced the latest developments during a press conference in Bedford County, Virginia, where local authorities have been assisting the investigation.

"The investigative efforts of both agencies have led us to determine [Richard Welch] is a person of interest in this case," Hamill said.

Maryland authorities have conducted searches in Bedford County since September. According to police, the Welch family owns property in the area.

"We're looking for evidence and gathering information that may indicate a connection [between this area] and the girls' disappearance," Montgomery County Police Lt. Sonia Pruitt told The Huffington Post in September.

dks64 · 07-15-2015, 04:27 PM

"Sex offender charged with murder of 2 sisters in 1975 case"

http://news.yahoo.com/police-develop...30025386.html#

02-11-2014, 09:10 AM	#1
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02-14-2014, 08:06 AM	#2
WishfulDreamer Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 01, 2009 Location: L.A. Posts: 3,865	Fingers crossed that they can actually get some answers and link him to the crime.

02-14-2014, 10:40 AM	#3
TracyLynnS Don't Look Up Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 3,107	He traveled the whole USA from the 1970s through the mid 1990s working with a carnival. He could have other victims all over the place. The police are asking for other victims who recognize him to come forward, and they aren't giving much info about his known crimes. They did publish a timeline of places where they knew he was. On another forum, we're trying to connect him to other cases, find out what kind of car he had, how he traveled, what his MO and victim preferences are, etc. Here's what I found out about him after going over a bunch of news articles and some other documents: POI - LLoyd Lee Welch Jr. AKA Michael Welch AKA Mike Welch DOB - 12/30/1956 (MD court records source says 1952) Arrested for a burglary in the same area as the Lyon sisters (so we know he's a burglar) Convicted child sex offender (child victims, no ages given) Jailed in DE since 1997 for several sex offenses Known to hitchhike throughout the DC area (was this as a teen, before he got a car? He's originally from that area. Or was this a habit? He's preferred method of travel?) Dad killed mom in a drunk driving accident. Welch was in the car at the time. Went into foster care. Back home around age 11/12, getting into trouble with the law. Known to walk train tracks from Kensington to Silver Spring Worked as a landscaper Drifter Stayed in homeless shelters and hotels Originally from the DC area, traveled extensively throughout the US from the 1970s to the mid 1990s with a carnival company (and girlfriend Helen Craver, now deceased) often setting up at malls Charged with raping juveniles in VA DE and SC (ages?) Arrested in several states, charged with sexual offenses against young girls (so we know female victims, at least in these cases, I'm assuming no male victims in his known history) In 1979, driving w/o license, in a 77Pont03. I assume 77 means the model year. I have no idea what that "03" means. I looked up Pontiac models available in 1977 on wikipedia to see if I could figure out if it was some kind of shorthand. These are the models from their list: Acadian Astre Bonneville Catalina Firebird Grand Prix Safari Grand Safari LeMans Phoenix (Streamliner, Silver Streak, Torpedo, -models with no year given, could be antique?) Sunbird Trans Am Ventura (compact) Would "77Pont03" be a 3 door/hatchback description? Looks like the Sunbird, Astre, Ventura, were hatchbacks

02-14-2014, 10:45 AM	#4
TracyLynnS Don't Look Up Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 3,107	Here's the timeline/location information released by the FBI: Date Location January 9, 1974 Austin, Texas March 25, 1975 Wheaton Plaza in Wheaton, Maryland April 1, 1975 Address of 4714 Baltimore Avenue in Hyattsville, Maryland, provided to law enforcement April 9, 1977 Takoma Park, Maryland November 1977 Address of 1825 Main St. in Orlando, Florida, provided to law enforcement November 24, 1977 Montgomery County, Maryland March 13, 1980 North Miami Beach, Florida September 15, 1981 Hyattsville, Maryland April 15, 1982 to September 11, 1984 Incarcerated (Maryland) March 18, 1987 Los Angeles, California April 27, 1987 Sioux City, Iowa January 13, 1988 Myrtle Beach, South Carolina February 4, 1988 Sioux City, Iowa December 20, 1988 Horry County, South Carolina March 17, 1989 Horry County, South Carolina September 1992 Lockhart, South Carolina November 16, 1992 Clover, South Carolina May 19, 1993 Union County, South Carolina May 31, 1994 Union County, South Carolina June 13, 1994 Baltimore, Maryland June 21, 1994 Address of Road 3, Box 86 in Bedford, Pennsylvania, provided to law enforcement July 13, 1994 Address of 1800 Elmerton Avenue in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, provided for sex offender registry 1995 Prince William County, Virginia June 1996 Address of 2242 Sussex Court in Woodbridge, Virginia, provided to law enforcement March 1997 New Castle County, Delaware July 1997 to Present Incarcerated (Delaware) Welch is also believed to have spent time in New York, but the related dates are unknown.

12-14-2014, 04:57 PM	#5
benoitbabe My My My Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 12, 2004 Location: Douglas,MA Posts: 120	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...n_5928030.html Hamill announced the latest developments during a press conference in Bedford County, Virginia, where local authorities have been assisting the investigation. "The investigative efforts of both agencies have led us to determine [Richard Welch] is a person of interest in this case," Hamill said. Maryland authorities have conducted searches in Bedford County since September. According to police, the Welch family owns property in the area. "We're looking for evidence and gathering information that may indicate a connection [between this area] and the girls' disappearance," Montgomery County Police Lt. Sonia Pruitt told The Huffington Post in September.

07-15-2015, 04:27 PM	#6
dks64 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Sep 02, 2010 Location: California Posts: 373	"Sex offender charged with murder of 2 sisters in 1975 case" http://news.yahoo.com/police-develop...30025386.html#