Cases after all these years they still keep you up thinking all night?

[nikkispence1989]

Its changed for me from time to time. But I will give you my top 3.

1) Kurt Sova,
because I just couldn't stop thinking of how hard it must have been for his parents. A very strange case indeed. My mind just boggled with the thought of those people at the party IF they knew something about the case how could they keep it hidden for all these years, especially this Susan chick! How can she just get on with her life. Sad that his parents died without knowing the truth! And to top it off Kurts acquaintance that died and BOTH were missing the shoe? Where the hells the shoe??????

2) Jay Cook & Tanya Van Cuylenborg.
A crazy man must have committed this crime! He has got to have committed similar stuff. The frightening pain they went through at the hands of this man. Jay had something done to him used in prison? My head keeps me up thinking what this could be? And I wonder who was killed first? It was most likely Jay so he could have his way with Tanya. She must have knew at that point she was going to die too.

3) Franklyn Floyd / Suzanne Davies / Sharron Marshall / Tonya Hughes / Micheal Hughes.
To start with does any one know if Franklyn is alive still? I often wonder if he would make a death bed confession as to where he actually got Suzanne from and if he killed Micheal or where he is. So many questions that rattle my brain with this one. I'm reading the book A Beautiful Child at the mo and its still gives me more things to lie awake about. Poor little Micheal. Does that man not have heart? Clearly not. If he would just answer those questions truthfully then the case would be solved and put to rest.

Any ways .. those are my top 3! I would love to hear yours?

[WishfulDreamer]

I don't know about all night but sometimes I catch myself really wondering about the fates of Amy Billig, Tammy Lynn Leppert, and Tara Breckinridge.

I agree about Cook and Cuylenborg. I was walking to work recently and saw a zip tie on the ground. Made me think of this case instantly. Now we know the letter writer isn't the killer, but who is he? They have his DNA (I think) but so far haven't been able to figure out his identity.

Jeremy Bright.

FDF, Michael, and Sharon often resonates with me as well. FDF is still on death row, awaiting execution. I hope he'll talk, but if anything he'll just do it to try to delay his execution, just like Bundy tried at the last minute.

So many to name but a few others that sometimes pop into my head: Kurt Sova, Kurt McFall, Scott Johnson, the Octopus Murders, Orange Socks Murders, Richard Bocklage's whereabouts, and the Blind River Rest Stop murderer.

[dynoguy88]

Originally Posted by nikkispence1989

3) Franklyn Floyd / Suzanne Davies / Sharron Marshall / Tonya Hughes / Micheal Hughes.
To start with does any one know if Franklyn is alive still? I often wonder if he would make a death bed confession as to where he actually got Suzanne from and if he killed Micheal or where he is. So many questions that rattle my brain with this one. I'm reading the book A Beautiful Child at the mo and its still gives me more things to lie awake about. Poor little Micheal. Does that man not have heart? Clearly not. If he would just answer those questions truthfully then the case would be solved and put to rest.

I hate to sound like Mr. Negative but I don't expect any kind of confession from that horrible excuse for a man. His criminal record goes back 50 years and he has never, to my memory, admitted responsibility for any of the crimes he has committed. The fraud, the abductions, the molestations, the murders, the stabbings, the tortures, the child abuse...not even the 1962 incident where he raped a 4 year old girl, NOTHING.

That man is going to go to his grave believing that he did nothing wrong and that the world was always just out to get him. He can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

[SageSlowdive]

Angela Hammond keeps me up now and again...

[alfiechat]

The blind river rest stop case-- I cannot get the dejected look of Gord out of my head sometimes.

The Christophe Day case-- that b-- of a mother kidnapping her son, then when he dies she doesn't tell the father and he has to find it out years later? I have strangled her many times in my head.

[bigsir58]

Circleville Letters . I'd love to read all the letters that started appearing from 1976 on. When you look at it as a whole, it's quite simple: a person mailing some letters. But how it spiraled into the events that the story is famous for keeps me scratcing my head.

[bigsir58]

Btw this forum should be organized and published as a book!

[DanCart]

Originally Posted by WishfulDreamer

I agree about Cook and Cuylenborg. I was walking to work recently and saw a zip tie on the ground. Made me think of this case instantly.

Ironically yesterday I saw similar ties on the ground and had a similar thought !

[DanCart]

Originally Posted by nikkispence1989

2) Jay Cook & Tanya Van Cuylenborg.
A crazy man must have committed this crime! He has got to have committed similar stuff. The frightening pain they went through at the hands of this man. Jay had something done to him used in prison? My head keeps me up thinking what this could be? And I wonder who was killed first? It was most likely Jay so he could have his way with Tanya. She must have knew at that point she was going to die too.

They said the way Jay died and items found on him indicated the killer may have been in the prison sytem at some point. Regarding the killer having done something similar before , a similar thought has crossed my mind and so far I have heard that other couples disappeared and were found dead in Washington state prior to Jay and Tanya , I am still trying to track down the details but given the clinical nature of the crime the killer was most likely experienced and had learned from past mistakes by the time he targeted Jay & Tanya....

[Olaf]

I find myself sometimes wondering what really happened to the likes of George Owens, Sneha Philip, Matthew Chase, and as the OP mentioned, Kurt Sova.

[nikkispence1989]

Originally Posted by bigsir58

Btw this forum should be organized and published as a book!

Love the idea LOVE LOVE LOVE IT !!

Originally Posted by DanCart

Regarding the killer having done something similar before , a similar thought has crossed my mind and so far I have heard that other couples disappeared and were found dead in Washington state prior to Jay and Tanya , I am still trying to track down the details but given the clinical nature of the crime the killer was most likely experienced and had learned from past mistakes by the time he targeted Jay & Tanya....

Interesting! If you find any info I would love to read it too so please post link. The guy has got to have killed before and learned from experience. I bet hes some cocky smug guy too, lets face it he had a kill kit with him that day! He was fully prepared that day to kill some one. Gun, zip ties, ammo, gloves ect. He could well have passed by now.

I always wonder the only way most of the crimes on UM would be solved is by a death bed confession or clues left at the home of the person. I put my self in a loved ones position all the time thinking if they told me or I found something how hard would it be to report it. Obviously if it was a horrible hideous crime then you wouldn't take long to think about but the feelings of love just wouldn't go away. The shock would be unreal.
I love trying to put my self in someone elses shoes but i suppose you cant really know till it happens to you.

Just having Kurt Sovas picture in my mind keeps me awake. He looks like such a nice kid. I always think about him, I bet he was pressured into drinking to try and look COOL and fit in. When your an adult you just laugh and shrug it off but when your a kid you do pretty much anything to be one of the croud.

[nikkispence1989]

Good one WD Jeremy Bright is a very sad case.

I felt really sorry for Jeremys (Step?) Dad because i bet he feels such a huge amount of guilt that it happened when Jeremy was visiting him. I go on the wonder if his mother maybe could hold it against him perhaps? Correct me if I'm wrong but it wasnt till his Mother came down to pick him up that anyone noticed he was missing? Again its more of trying to put my self in someone elses shoes. I hope the story of him suffering isnt true also. The fear he must have felt if he was conscious that is.

I have twin boys who are almost 10 and once a year a massive fair comes to my town and I often think about when they are older and they ask to go on their own.

If anything reading or watching shows on UM should make people wiser.

There was a case where a lady left her baby in a car seat outside a portapotty. I just cringed at that and thought how bloody stupid and that no matter how quick you think your going to be you should never leave any children unattended for any amount of time. I hope lessons could be learnt by people who saw that case although I would of thought most the population would know it already. I wouldnt even ask a stranger to mind any of my children while i used the bathroom as a result of things Ive read about. You can never be too careful.
I often put my self in her shoes and try to feel the tremendous guilt she lives with every day, I respect her for carrying on mind. We hear nothing of the father on the segment. Putting my self in his shoes how long could he be angry that her mistake has lost him his daughter?

[TheCars1986]

Tommy Zeigler and Mike Riemer/Diana Robertson.

[Spark Of Spirit]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

Tommy Zeigler and Mike Riemer/Diana Robertson.

These, Eric Tamiyasu, and just who exactly Franklin Delano Floyd really was are the ones I stop to think about the most.

[MegtheEgg86]

- What happened, exactly, to Christi Nichols, and where she is.

- Kevin Ives and Don Henry. Tangled, tangled web.

- Bobbi Oberholtzer and Annette Schnee

- Marlena Childress

- Aileen Conway

- Ralph Probst

- Chuck Morgan