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wiseguy182 · 12-16-2013, 01:37 AM

I thought this might be an interesting topic. What people featured on UM do you feel have gotten a bad rap on here over the years, and undeservedly so? I'll start the discussion with 3 selections:

The Hechts - The Hechts have been painted as holier-than-thou snobs, but I didn't really get that vibe from them. I don't think they looked down on the poor, but I do think they were suspicious of Tony, and frankly, they had every reason to be. Whether Tony is guilty or not, his behavior ranged from bizarre to inappropriate.

Anton Kline - Ditto. Anton Kline gets labeled as an uppity louse, but I think his concerns about Crystal's profession were justified. Heck, it may have been what led to her death. There are a lot of richer people who wouldn't associate with an exotic dancer, but I think he enjoyed her company and being able to introduce her to things she otherwise didn't get the chance to. And to top it off, he seemed to be the only person in that segment who actually tried to help her AND thought she was murdered AND tried to find out who did it.

Rob Schaffer - Angela Hammond is easily the most discussed case on this forum, and the "Rob did it" theory seemed to be a way to keep it as the most discussed case, by offering a different spin on it. In reality, there's nothing to suggest that Rob did it, he comes off as a nice, young handsome guy who moved Heaven and Earth to try and save Angie, and seemed genuinely saddened by the events that transpired. Unfortunately, it seems like Rob takes his share of criticism.

MegtheEgg86 · 12-16-2013, 02:30 AM

Christie Mutzfeld. I have NEVER been able to wrap my mind around the wacked-out logic that she is responsible for Mahfuz Huq murdering Todd Kelley.

Jimmy Aprille. Some people have said he was bitter and cold. I don't think so at all and found him quite likable.

Huey Littleton. I feel more pity for him than anything else, and felt his hanging on every stupid local teenager's word was just a phase of his particular grieving process. I thought he seemed very nice.

wiseguy182 · 12-16-2013, 02:49 AM

I liked Huey Littleton. I've actually incorporated the "this as 'bout as low..." speech into my real-life conversations before. I know that he had background in law enforcement and I think he felt he could have used that to benefit the investigation.

WishfulDreamer · 12-16-2013, 04:05 AM

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Christie Mutzfeld. I have NEVER been able to wrap my mind around the wacked-out logic that she is responsible for Mahfuz Huq murdering Todd Kelley.

YES 100%!!!! I have never understood the Christie hate on here. I found her interview to be really genuine and raw. Imagine if your ex-boyfriend murdered your boyfriend...and his parents blamed you and didn't even let you say your last goodbyes? That's just awful.

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Jimmy Aprille. Some people have said he was bitter and cold. I don't think so at all and found him quite likable.

Agreed. He endured his wife draining their funds and stealing his children plus nearly died due to health problems. In the interview, he seems much more concerned with getting his children back and insists they are the victims. Never understood why he got flack for that.

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Huey Littleton. I feel more pity for him than anything else, and felt his hanging on every stupid local teenager's word was just a phase of his particular grieving process. I thought he seemed very nice.

I don't understand why people dislike him. His daughter and son-in-law were literally blown apart by shotgun blasts and he had people coming up and telling him horrible things. Being a good guy, he wanted to see if the accounts were true so he could get full justice. A lot of these accounts may have been false, but if you heard that your murdered child and their spouse may have been victimized even worse than you thought by more parties involved, wouldn't you want to investigate, too?

Another to add on:

Colleen Ritter. I'm disgusted that a lot of people have said that she didn't look "sad enough" in her interview, among worse things. Wow.

wiseguy182 · 12-16-2013, 04:46 AM

Two words: Bob. Bean.

RobinW · 12-16-2013, 08:55 AM

Cindy Anderson's father, Michael Anderson: A lot of people here seemed to be pretty put off by his behaviour in his UM interview. I will admit that the guy seemed pretty strict and old fashioned and some of his comments came off strangely (particularly the "debutante" line), but I also sensed that the guy genuinely loved and missed his daughter and he sounded pretty sincere when he said that the door was open for Cindy to come back if she did run away on her own. I've seen a few posts on this forum speculating that he could have been responsible for Cindy's disappearance, a theory which I find absolutely ridiculous.

dynoguy88 · 12-16-2013, 10:07 AM

I have a feeling I'm going to be alone on this one but I'll add it to the list anyway; Diane Strom. I know people here hate her for the miss the old Jenny comment, and yes, she probably could have chosen her words better there but I couldn't help but feel for her in the segment. Her daughter had this horrible thing happen to her, everybody in that city knew who did it and nobody had been arrested. She had already tearfully described what Jenny first looked like in the hospital room with the tubes all over her over body and her hair completely red from all the blood. I'm sure any parent would be losing their mind.

MegtheEgg86 · 12-16-2013, 10:48 AM

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Cindy Anderson's father, Michael Anderson: A lot of people here seemed to be pretty put off by his behaviour in his UM interview. I will admit that the guy seemed pretty strict and old fashioned and some of his comments came off strangely (particularly the "debutante" line), but I also sensed that the guy genuinely loved and missed his daughter and he sounded pretty sincere when he said that the door was open for Cindy to come back if she did run away on her own. I've seen a few posts on this forum speculating that he could have been responsible for Cindy's disappearance, a theory which I find absolutely ridiculous.

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MegtheEgg86 · 12-16-2013, 11:22 AM

Also totally agree on the Hechts, especially Martine. There was never any indication that the family initially spurned Tony solely because he was a street person, and his behavior WAS bizarre and inappropriate. If I was looking for my son who I hadn't heard from in weeks and instead found Tony trying to accost me with a kiss, I'd be frightened and disgusted, too.

flytrapp · 12-16-2013, 11:48 PM

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I have a feeling I'm going to be alone on this one but I'll add it to the list anyway; Diane Strom. I know people here hate her for the miss the old Jenny comment, and yes, she probably could have chosen her words better there but I couldn't help but feel for her in the segment. Her daughter had this horrible thing happen to her, everybody in that city knew who did it and nobody had been arrested. She had already tearfully described what Jenny first looked like in the hospital room with the tubes all over her over body and her hair completely red from all the blood. I'm sure any parent would be losing their mind.

I'm definitely with you on this one. I know that "I sure miss the old Jenny" could be seen as not so great...but I don't think so at all. I think Diane had great hopes for her daughter, had visions of her daughter going to college, meeting a great guy, getting married, having children...and now that was all taken away by some idiot. She never got to see her daughter's dreams come true. That must be really hard, and of course the mental and financial draining the whole situation must have caused. I think Diane loves her daughter no matter what, I really do....but I can understand why she is frustrated. Sometimes, it seems, life deals people a bad hand and it's hard to understand why. I feel very bad for Diane, Jenny and their whole family.

flytrapp · 12-16-2013, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wiseguy182

I liked Huey Littleton. I've actually incorporated the "this as 'bout as low..." speech into my real-life conversations before. I know that he had background in law enforcement and I think he felt he could have used that to benefit the investigation.

I, too, liked Huey. I don't know why people felt he was irritating. The police grew frustrated with him, too. Really? For refusing to give up on finding out what happened to your child? I like Huey - and even if he was on a bit of a witch-hunt as some people speculate...if someone killed my child, I'd be hunting down every witch I could find as well.
Funny, physically, Huey reminds me of another UM personality...looks and build wise, with the silver hair, he remind me of Ethel Kidd's son in law (who I also liked).

wiseguy182 · 12-17-2013, 02:19 AM

I have mixed thoughts on Michael Anderson. On one hand he did say that Cindy was the type of daughter that you enjoyed having around, but the debutante line was really off-putting, especially since he suggested it was the cause of her disappearance. I think I've liked him a little more as time passes, and I definitely don't think he had anything to do with her disappearance.

Sorry, never been a fan of Diane Strom. I've talked about it at length, but she did a lot more to bug me than just the "old Jenny" comment. A lot more.

La Llorona · 12-17-2013, 04:17 AM

I'm going to say Shawn Bordeaux, I don't think he's responsible for Jodie's murder, and the way I interpreted his seeming greater concern for the baby than his wife is that sometimes when we lose people we love it is harder to accept/more painful if there was some chance that person we loved might have been saved versus a loved one who died immediately that we knew there was no way to save. Jodie was gone immediately, but perhaps the baby might have been saved. Also there's the fact that he had time with Jodie, but their daughter's life and potential was over before it even started. That's the way I see that, at least. I think that someone on the Kickapoo rez is reponsible for Jodie's death. I'd have to find it, and hope that I've earned link privileges now, but there was an article in Indian Country Today at the time the segment aired which said that several people on the rez had been threatened/warned against talking to UM's people.

Edit - Ok, going to try and post the link, here goes...
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwor...ce-jodie-86499

Edit again - Whoops, this is not the link that talks about the threats, this is the article that brought UM's attention to the case. I need to find the one from after the taping...

Edit one more time, found it - Ok, here's the one about the UM taping, there were threats being made against people who wanted to tell their story to UM:
https://indiancountrytodaymedianetwo...e-murder-86861

RobinW · 12-17-2013, 08:41 AM

Another person I think has gotten some unjust criticism around here is the cab driver in the Dana Point Jane Doe case because he didn't take the victim to her planned destination because she was a few bucks short, and she was found dead at the bottom of a cliff the next morning. I've seen some comments suggest that her death wouldn't have happened if he had just driven her the whole way.

I don't know, I've always believed there was no foul play involved and that the girl was always planning to commit suicide, no matter what. You can criticize the driver for being a cheapskate, but I don't think it's fair to suggest he's somehow culpable in the girl's death. Even if he drove her the whole way, I don't think there's anything he could have done to prevent her from taking her own life.

TheCars1986 · 12-17-2013, 10:00 AM

Charles Holden gets a bad rap from some posters on here. Some have suggested that he was somehow responsible for his mother's murder, because he didn't attempt to stop the guy walking towards his mother's house. The guy was just attacked by a knife wielding psycho, obviously he's not going to be of sound mind to make rational decisions.

12-16-2013, 01:37 AM	#1
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	People on UM that get an undeserved bad rap on this forum I thought this might be an interesting topic. What people featured on UM do you feel have gotten a bad rap on here over the years, and undeservedly so? I'll start the discussion with 3 selections: The Hechts - The Hechts have been painted as holier-than-thou snobs, but I didn't really get that vibe from them. I don't think they looked down on the poor, but I do think they were suspicious of Tony, and frankly, they had every reason to be. Whether Tony is guilty or not, his behavior ranged from bizarre to inappropriate. Anton Kline - Ditto. Anton Kline gets labeled as an uppity louse, but I think his concerns about Crystal's profession were justified. Heck, it may have been what led to her death. There are a lot of richer people who wouldn't associate with an exotic dancer, but I think he enjoyed her company and being able to introduce her to things she otherwise didn't get the chance to. And to top it off, he seemed to be the only person in that segment who actually tried to help her AND thought she was murdered AND tried to find out who did it. Rob Schaffer - Angela Hammond is easily the most discussed case on this forum, and the "Rob did it" theory seemed to be a way to keep it as the most discussed case, by offering a different spin on it. In reality, there's nothing to suggest that Rob did it, he comes off as a nice, young handsome guy who moved Heaven and Earth to try and save Angie, and seemed genuinely saddened by the events that transpired. Unfortunately, it seems like Rob takes his share of criticism.

12-16-2013, 02:30 AM	#2
MegtheEgg86 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Jun 19, 2008 Location: The Volunteer State Posts: 5,156	Christie Mutzfeld. I have NEVER been able to wrap my mind around the wacked-out logic that she is responsible for Mahfuz Huq murdering Todd Kelley. Jimmy Aprille. Some people have said he was bitter and cold. I don't think so at all and found him quite likable. Huey Littleton. I feel more pity for him than anything else, and felt his hanging on every stupid local teenager's word was just a phase of his particular grieving process. I thought he seemed very nice.
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12-17-2013, 04:17 AM	#13
La Llorona Still afraid of Omar Occasional Poster Join Date: Mar 27, 2013 Location: United States Posts: 13	I'm going to say Shawn Bordeaux, I don't think he's responsible for Jodie's murder, and the way I interpreted his seeming greater concern for the baby than his wife is that sometimes when we lose people we love it is harder to accept/more painful if there was some chance that person we loved might have been saved versus a loved one who died immediately that we knew there was no way to save. Jodie was gone immediately, but perhaps the baby might have been saved. Also there's the fact that he had time with Jodie, but their daughter's life and potential was over before it even started. That's the way I see that, at least. I think that someone on the Kickapoo rez is reponsible for Jodie's death. I'd have to find it, and hope that I've earned link privileges now, but there was an article in Indian Country Today at the time the segment aired which said that several people on the rez had been threatened/warned against talking to UM's people. Edit - Ok, going to try and post the link, here goes... http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwor...ce-jodie-86499 Edit again - Whoops, this is not the link that talks about the threats, this is the article that brought UM's attention to the case. I need to find the one from after the taping... Edit one more time, found it - Ok, here's the one about the UM taping, there were threats being made against people who wanted to tell their story to UM: https://indiancountrytodaymedianetwo...e-murder-86861
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12-16-2013, 02:49 AM	#3
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	I liked Huey Littleton. I've actually incorporated the "this as 'bout as low..." speech into my real-life conversations before. I know that he had background in law enforcement and I think he felt he could have used that to benefit the investigation.

12-16-2013, 04:46 AM	#5
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	Two words: Bob. Bean.

12-16-2013, 08:55 AM	#6
RobinW Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2010 Posts: 1,874	Cindy Anderson's father, Michael Anderson: A lot of people here seemed to be pretty put off by his behaviour in his UM interview. I will admit that the guy seemed pretty strict and old fashioned and some of his comments came off strangely (particularly the "debutante" line), but I also sensed that the guy genuinely loved and missed his daughter and he sounded pretty sincere when he said that the door was open for Cindy to come back if she did run away on her own. I've seen a few posts on this forum speculating that he could have been responsible for Cindy's disappearance, a theory which I find absolutely ridiculous.

12-16-2013, 10:07 AM	#7
dynoguy88 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 01, 2000 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 3,673	I have a feeling I'm going to be alone on this one but I'll add it to the list anyway; Diane Strom. I know people here hate her for the miss the old Jenny comment, and yes, she probably could have chosen her words better there but I couldn't help but feel for her in the segment. Her daughter had this horrible thing happen to her, everybody in that city knew who did it and nobody had been arrested. She had already tearfully described what Jenny first looked like in the hospital room with the tubes all over her over body and her hair completely red from all the blood. I'm sure any parent would be losing their mind.

12-16-2013, 11:22 AM	#9
MegtheEgg86 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Jun 19, 2008 Location: The Volunteer State Posts: 5,156	Also totally agree on the Hechts, especially Martine. There was never any indication that the family initially spurned Tony solely because he was a street person, and his behavior WAS bizarre and inappropriate. If I was looking for my son who I hadn't heard from in weeks and instead found Tony trying to accost me with a kiss, I'd be frightened and disgusted, too.

12-17-2013, 02:19 AM	#12
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	I have mixed thoughts on Michael Anderson. On one hand he did say that Cindy was the type of daughter that you enjoyed having around, but the debutante line was really off-putting, especially since he suggested it was the cause of her disappearance. I think I've liked him a little more as time passes, and I definitely don't think he had anything to do with her disappearance. Sorry, never been a fan of Diane Strom. I've talked about it at length, but she did a lot more to bug me than just the "old Jenny" comment. A lot more.

12-17-2013, 08:41 AM	#14
RobinW Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2010 Posts: 1,874	Another person I think has gotten some unjust criticism around here is the cab driver in the Dana Point Jane Doe case because he didn't take the victim to her planned destination because she was a few bucks short, and she was found dead at the bottom of a cliff the next morning. I've seen some comments suggest that her death wouldn't have happened if he had just driven her the whole way. I don't know, I've always believed there was no foul play involved and that the girl was always planning to commit suicide, no matter what. You can criticize the driver for being a cheapskate, but I don't think it's fair to suggest he's somehow culpable in the girl's death. Even if he drove her the whole way, I don't think there's anything he could have done to prevent her from taking her own life.

12-17-2013, 10:00 AM	#15
TheCars1986 #VLSKMS Forum Fanatic Join Date: Nov 22, 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 8,606	Charles Holden gets a bad rap from some posters on here. Some have suggested that he was somehow responsible for his mother's murder, because he didn't attempt to stop the guy walking towards his mother's house. The guy was just attacked by a knife wielding psycho, obviously he's not going to be of sound mind to make rational decisions.