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JMFabiano524 · 12-12-2013, 11:54 PM

Has anyone been to the Paley Center? I ask because the first Christmas episode of MTM is there, as I found out after I visited recently. I was wondering if it had the musical part that is snipped on DVD, completely intact?

Otherwise, does that scene exist anywhere online or ?????? Anyone remember what the full scene is like?

Sidenote: the Hulu Plus version one-ups the DVDs by dubbing over ANY traces of White Christmas.

JMFabiano524 · 12-18-2013, 08:48 PM

OK I found description of the dialogue from the scene, now where can I find the video????? Anyone??????

treky · 12-19-2013, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JMFabiano524

Has anyone been to the Paley Center? I ask because the first Christmas episode of MTM is there, as I found out after I visited recently. I was wondering if it had the musical part that is snipped on DVD, completely intact?

Otherwise, does that scene exist anywhere online or ?????? Anyone remember what the full scene is like?

Sidenote: the Hulu Plus version one-ups the DVDs by dubbing over ANY traces of White Christmas.

the FIRST Xmas episode?? You mean the ONLY X Mas episode. I never consider the one that everyone thinks of as a Christmas episode; to be a Christmas episode since it takes place in Nov. or something.

JMFabiano524 · 12-19-2013, 10:09 AM

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the FIRST Xmas episode?? You mean the ONLY X Mas episode. I never consider the one that everyone thinks of as a Christmas episode; to be a Christmas episode since it takes place in Nov. or something.

Whatever it is, I wanna know the answers!!

PGood97041 · 12-27-2013, 01:11 AM

JM, I take it it didn't occur to you to ask when you were at the Paley Center?

And Treky, I totally agree with you on the "second" Christmas episode. Even though it's one of my favorite episodes of the series, I don't consider it a Christmas episode.

I do LOVE the "first" Christmas episode, though. It always gets me into the spirit of the season!

JMFabiano524 · 12-27-2013, 03:19 PM

It just occurred to me after leaving the Center. Just like canvassing Norman Lear shows to see if the rare TAT Communications logo was at the end of them. (not the in-credit, the one with animation...)

KatieAnn · 05-13-2014, 07:00 PM

Is the "first" or "only" Christmas episode the one where Rhoda describes the Christmas window she's decorating? I vaguely remember that scene from my childhood, but last year when a local channel aired the entire MTM series, that scene never came up, and I've been wanting to see it again, to see if it's as funny to me now, as it was back then.

treky · 05-13-2014, 11:46 PM

yes it is. It's from the first season and the title is CHRISTMAS AND THE HARD-LUCK KID.

TeeVeeCloset · 05-14-2014, 04:41 PM

I have the complete unedited episode in perfect condition (not from TV) yet the brief 30 second scene of Mary singing "White Christmas" near "The Nutcracker scene" while she is watching TV is an extreme highlight and was scene on TV Land Merrythons for years, though most likely shown time compressed and not running the full 25 minutes like the version I have.

FYI.....The title "Christmas & The Hardluck Kid" was a nod to the same episode title used in "That Girl's" first Christmas episode.

I consider both the Mary & That Girl episodes in my top 10 of over 100 Christmas/holiday themed episodes in my collection.

KatieAnn · 05-14-2014, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by treky

yes it is. It's from the first season and the title is CHRISTMAS AND THE HARD-LUCK KID.

Thanks for your response. Hopefully I'll have a chance to see it one of these days, now that I know which episode to look for.

treky · 05-14-2014, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TeeVeeCloset

I have the complete unedited episode in perfect condition (not from TV) yet the brief 30 second scene of Mary singing "White Christmas" near "The Nutcracker scene" while she is watching TV is an extreme highlight and was scene on TV Land Merrythons for years, though most likely shown time compressed and not running the full 25 minutes like the version I have.

FYI.....The title "Christmas & The Hardluck Kid" was a nod to the same episode title used in "That Girl's" first Christmas episode.

I consider both the Mary & That Girl episodes in my top 10 of over 100 Christmas/holiday themed episodes in my collection.

that's right, I forgot about that. And I think that the MTM episode and the THAT GIRL episode were both written by James L. Brooks.

TeeVeeCloset · 05-15-2014, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by treky

that's right, I forgot about that. And I think that the MTM episode and the THAT GIRL episode were both written by James L. Brooks.

100% correct!

torcan · 08-18-2014, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TeeVeeCloset

I have the complete unedited episode in perfect condition (not from TV) yet the brief 30 second scene of Mary singing "White Christmas" near "The Nutcracker scene" while she is watching TV is an extreme highlight and was scene on TV Land Merrythons for years, though most likely shown time compressed and not running the full 25 minutes like the version I have.

FYI.....The title "Christmas & The Hardluck Kid" was a nod to the same episode title used in "That Girl's" first Christmas episode.

I consider both the Mary & That Girl episodes in my top 10 of over 100 Christmas/holiday themed episodes in my collection.

I have that episode from a Nick-at-Nite rerun from '92. While it does have "White Christmas" and the nutcracker scene intact, there are a few other annoying edits, such as Ted's special message to the kids. Haven't seen that scene since the '70s.

KatieAnn · 09-15-2014, 07:12 PM

Just to update my own comment

I finally had an opportunity to watch the first season Christmas episode and it turns out that the scene I mentioned (Rhoda describing the Christmas window she's decorating) wasn't in that episode. I did some "googling" and it turns out the scene is actually from the season three episode titled, " Farmer Ted and the News."

JMFabiano524 · 10-06-2014, 05:21 PM

TeeVeeCloset, hit me up, I'd like to see this.

Now, interesting fact: the Paley Center has an edited version of this episode. Not only that, but it seems to be the version seen on HuluPlus, in which the sliver of White Christmas is dubbed over with another song altogether, and what was cut remains cut. It makes me wonder the chronology of edits for the scene...or perhaps Paley just got a new-ish print of the episode?

12-12-2013, 11:54 PM	#1
JMFabiano524 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 04, 2002 Posts: 525	The first Christmas episode Has anyone been to the Paley Center? I ask because the first Christmas episode of MTM is there, as I found out after I visited recently. I was wondering if it had the musical part that is snipped on DVD, completely intact? Otherwise, does that scene exist anywhere online or ?????? Anyone remember what the full scene is like? Sidenote: the Hulu Plus version one-ups the DVDs by dubbing over ANY traces of White Christmas.
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05-14-2014, 04:41 PM	#9
TeeVeeCloset Member Senior Member Join Date: Aug 25, 2003 Posts: 1,873	I have the complete unedited episode in perfect condition (not from TV) yet the brief 30 second scene of Mary singing "White Christmas" near "The Nutcracker scene" while she is watching TV is an extreme highlight and was scene on TV Land Merrythons for years, though most likely shown time compressed and not running the full 25 minutes like the version I have. FYI.....The title "Christmas & The Hardluck Kid" was a nod to the same episode title used in "That Girl's" first Christmas episode. I consider both the Mary & That Girl episodes in my top 10 of over 100 Christmas/holiday themed episodes in my collection.
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12-18-2013, 08:48 PM	#2
JMFabiano524 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 04, 2002 Posts: 525	OK I found description of the dialogue from the scene, now where can I find the video????? Anyone??????

12-27-2013, 01:11 AM	#5
PGood97041 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 03, 2008 Location: Boston Posts: 747	JM, I take it it didn't occur to you to ask when you were at the Paley Center? And Treky, I totally agree with you on the "second" Christmas episode. Even though it's one of my favorite episodes of the series, I don't consider it a Christmas episode. I do LOVE the "first" Christmas episode, though. It always gets me into the spirit of the season!

12-27-2013, 03:19 PM	#6
JMFabiano524 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 04, 2002 Posts: 525	It just occurred to me after leaving the Center. Just like canvassing Norman Lear shows to see if the rare TAT Communications logo was at the end of them. (not the in-credit, the one with animation...)

05-13-2014, 07:00 PM	#7
KatieAnn Member Forum Regular Join Date: Sep 15, 2011 Posts: 520	Is the "first" or "only" Christmas episode the one where Rhoda describes the Christmas window she's decorating? I vaguely remember that scene from my childhood, but last year when a local channel aired the entire MTM series, that scene never came up, and I've been wanting to see it again, to see if it's as funny to me now, as it was back then.

05-13-2014, 11:46 PM	#8
treky star trek fan Eternal Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Feb 25, 2002 Location: Conshohocken, pennsylvania Posts: 14,490	yes it is. It's from the first season and the title is CHRISTMAS AND THE HARD-LUCK KID.

09-15-2014, 07:12 PM	#14
KatieAnn Member Forum Regular Join Date: Sep 15, 2011 Posts: 520	Just to update my own comment I finally had an opportunity to watch the first season Christmas episode and it turns out that the scene I mentioned (Rhoda describing the Christmas window she's decorating) wasn't in that episode. I did some "googling" and it turns out the scene is actually from the season three episode titled, " Farmer Ted and the News."

10-06-2014, 05:21 PM	#15
JMFabiano524 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 04, 2002 Posts: 525	TeeVeeCloset, hit me up, I'd like to see this. Now, interesting fact: the Paley Center has an edited version of this episode. Not only that, but it seems to be the version seen on HuluPlus, in which the sliver of White Christmas is dubbed over with another song altogether, and what was cut remains cut. It makes me wonder the chronology of edits for the scene...or perhaps Paley just got a new-ish print of the episode?