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MegtheEgg86 · 12-04-2013, 06:17 AM

As I was doing some schoolwork today, I had some UM on in the background and thought about threads we've had in the past concerning cases that don't get much discussion relative to others and why this phenomenon occurs. Frequently, there's not a ready explanation at all. But what, in your opinion, are some of the least-discussed segments due to one or more easily apparent factors?

I think I would go with Leo Koury or Connor/Daugherty. While Koury was a Ten Most Wanted fugitive for years, he was positively identified post-mortem after being admitted to a hospital under an assumed name in 1991--long before this forum ever got its start. Connor and Daugherty were apprehended before their special even aired in 1987, so there doesn't seem to be a ton to discuss there, either.

Thoughts?

wiseguy182 · 12-04-2013, 08:44 AM

I think all of the hoax segments do and should fall into this category. Some of the people on UM (Kevin and Bean, Ed Walters, etc) wanted nothing more than their 15 minutes of fame. I think they would be delighted to see themselves still talked about. I don't feel comfortable giving any of them the attention they so desperately craved. And I, quite frankly, am appalled that Kevin and Bean are still on the air. To this day.

TheCars1986 · 12-04-2013, 12:23 PM

The Bonnie Haim segment was always one of my favorites that doesn't get discussed much on here. I guess it's because it's fairly obvious that the husband was involved in her disappearance, and there's not much room for debate about what happened to her.

RobinW · 12-04-2013, 01:38 PM

One story I've always found fascinating is the Monica Bonilla case, which is known for being UM's "unintentional" solve. Basically, after UM aired the Nyleen Kay Marshall segment, officials from a school called in believing that one of their students might be Nyleen. However, this girl wound up being another missing child named Monica Bonilla, who had been abducted by her non-custodial father.

Of course, this case has practically no discussion around here since it's been solved and there's nothing to really say about it, but it's a pretty interesting story in its own right since Monica's father basically had a complete mental breakdown and believed he'd been inhabited by the spirit of John Lennon. I always found those photos of him growing out his hair and beard and dressing like Lennon to be pretty creepy. Since Monica had been missing for several years at that point and authorities seemed to have forgotten about her, I wonder if she ever would have been found if it wasn't for UM.

asmitty · 12-04-2013, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCars1986

The Bonnie Haim segment was always one of my favorites that doesn't get discussed much on here. I guess it's because it's fairly obvious that the husband was involved in her disappearance, and there's not much room for debate about what happened to her.

I think kind of carries with it any case of a "missing" wife where the husband claims innocence (Charlotte Pollis, Christie Nichols, Dottie Caylor, Monica Rizzo, etc). In almost all of these cases the talk can really only center around how guilty the husbands look and the things they've done to make themselves look guilty.

TheCars1986 · 12-04-2013, 04:09 PM

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I think kind of carries with it any case of a "missing" wife where the husband claims innocence (Charlotte Pollis, Christie Nichols, Dottie Caylor, Monica Rizzo, etc). In almost all of these cases the talk can really only center around how guilty the husbands look and the things they've done to make themselves look guilty.

However, in some cases (Pollis, Caylor, Linda Sherman, etc.) the majority of the board believe the spouse is guilty, but some other posters make some very good arguments for their innocence.

RobinW · 12-04-2013, 06:31 PM

I think the only "mysterious part" of the Bonnie Haim segment is how her own father was the biggest defender of Michael's innocence (whereas Michael's own relatives seemed to believed he was guilty). The fact that the father was willing to go to bat for him initially made me think there might have been information left out which pointed to Michael's innocence, but over the years, I think he eventually came to believe Michael was responsible.

MegtheEgg86 · 12-04-2013, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by wiseguy182

I think all of the hoax segments do and should fall into this category. Some of the people on UM (Kevin and Bean, Ed Walters, etc) wanted nothing more than their 15 minutes of fame. I think they would be delighted to see themselves still talked about. I don't feel comfortable giving any of them the attention they so desperately craved. And I, quite frankly, am appalled that Kevin and Bean are still on the air. To this day.

I just watched that one again very recently. In hindsight, you can actually sense the lying in the way they worded some of their responses to the hoax allegations before the truth was uncovered. I too am appalled those people still have jobs in radio after arousing hope in a grieving mother and lying to their audience. No character at all.

MegtheEgg86 · 12-04-2013, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RobinW

One story I've always found fascinating is the Monica Bonilla case, which is known for being UM's "unintentional" solve. Basically, after UM aired the Nyleen Kay Marshall segment, officials from a school called in believing that one of their students might be Nyleen. However, this girl wound up being another missing child named Monica Bonilla, who had been abducted by her non-custodial father.

Of course, this case has practically no discussion around here since it's been solved and there's nothing to really say about it, but it's a pretty interesting story in its own right since Monica's father basically had a complete mental breakdown and believed he'd been inhabited by the spirit of John Lennon. I always found those photos of him growing out his hair and beard and dressing like Lennon to be pretty creepy. Since Monica had been missing for several years at that point and authorities seemed to have forgotten about her, I wonder if she ever would have been found if it wasn't for UM.

The Monica Bonilla case was bizarre in every sense of the word. It's incredibly interesting from the weird John Lennon stuff to the Nyleen Kay Marshall misidentification to Rosemary Levi's very memorable remarks concerning God's will--but even after all this, there's not a whole lot more to talk about!

MegtheEgg86 · 12-04-2013, 06:51 PM

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However, in some cases (Pollis, Caylor, Linda Sherman, etc.) the majority of the board believe the spouse is guilty, but some other posters make some very good arguments for their innocence.

For sure. I actually don't think Jule Caylor is responsible for his wife's disappearance, and it seems like sometime in the past year someone brought up some good points possibly pointing to Paul Pollis' potential innocence that I had never really considered before. So I think all those are all quite ripe and viable for new ideas and thoughts.

MegtheEgg86 · 12-04-2013, 06:56 PM

One I considered for possible inclusion on this thread is the Dan Wilson case. Although his remains were found in 1997 and it seems chronic carbon monoxide toxicity did in fact contribute to his strange behavior in the days preceding his disappearance, I suppose there could be other explanations for what happened.

TheCars1986 · 12-04-2013, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RobinW

I think the only "mysterious part" of the Bonnie Haim segment is how her own father was the biggest defender of Michael's innocence (whereas Michael's own relatives seemed to believed he was guilty). The fact that the father was willing to go to bat for him initially made me think there might have been information left out which pointed to Michael's innocence, but over the years, I think he eventually came to believe Michael was responsible.

This is what makes it very interesting to me. On the one hand you have Michael's own aunt who makes it crystal clear that she believed he was controlling and abusive, but Bonnie's own father seemed like a staunch defender of him in the segment.

WishfulDreamer · 12-04-2013, 09:42 PM

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I just watched that one again very recently. In hindsight, you can actually sense the lying in the way they worded some of their responses to the hoax allegations before the truth was uncovered. I too am appalled those people still have jobs in radio after arousing hope in a grieving mother and lying to their audience. No character at all.

Being from L.A., I was pretty horrified to learn what they had done and that they were still on the air. KROQ is/was pretty popular and I stopped tuning in. My university roommate and her boyfriend loved listening to them. Once I told them the story, they stopped. Makes me sick to my stomach that they didn't get reprimanded more. Not only did they cause families grief, but they wasted many hours of LAPD time that could have been spent going into real cases.

As for Bonnie Haim, I would love to know what the father thinks now.

isotope · 12-06-2013, 03:29 AM

Pretty much all the supernatural ones.

There's really not much to be said. Either you believe in the paranormal, or you think the people on the segments are mistaken or making it up.

MegtheEgg86 · 12-06-2013, 03:40 AM

I think what's most interesting about Bonnie Haim is her son Aaron's testimony that he witnessed the murder. He was around three or four years old at the time.

I guess I don't know what to think about it. There have certainly been cases in which small children do witness horrible things and tell the honest-to-God truth about what they saw. But in others, they have embellished or fabricated a story. Aaron's story, however, seemed to be the lynchpin of the wrongful death suit against Michael, but no criminal charges have ever filed (as far as I know).

I think it's extremely likely Michael Haim is responsible for Bonnie's disappearance, but I guess I'm a touch leery about the story. Maybe I'm just naive and find it too difficult to wrap my mind around the notion that a man would actually murder his wife in front of his tiny son.

12-04-2013, 06:17 AM	#1
MegtheEgg86 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Jun 19, 2008 Location: The Volunteer State Posts: 5,156	Segments That Don't Get Much Discussion...Because There's Not Much to Talk About As I was doing some schoolwork today, I had some UM on in the background and thought about threads we've had in the past concerning cases that don't get much discussion relative to others and why this phenomenon occurs. Frequently, there's not a ready explanation at all. But what, in your opinion, are some of the least-discussed segments due to one or more easily apparent factors? I think I would go with Leo Koury or Connor/Daugherty. While Koury was a Ten Most Wanted fugitive for years, he was positively identified post-mortem after being admitted to a hospital under an assumed name in 1991--long before this forum ever got its start. Connor and Daugherty were apprehended before their special even aired in 1987, so there doesn't seem to be a ton to discuss there, either. Thoughts?
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12-04-2013, 08:44 AM	#2
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	I think all of the hoax segments do and should fall into this category. Some of the people on UM (Kevin and Bean, Ed Walters, etc) wanted nothing more than their 15 minutes of fame. I think they would be delighted to see themselves still talked about. I don't feel comfortable giving any of them the attention they so desperately craved. And I, quite frankly, am appalled that Kevin and Bean are still on the air. To this day.

12-04-2013, 12:23 PM	#3
TheCars1986 #VLSKMS Forum Fanatic Join Date: Nov 22, 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 8,607	The Bonnie Haim segment was always one of my favorites that doesn't get discussed much on here. I guess it's because it's fairly obvious that the husband was involved in her disappearance, and there's not much room for debate about what happened to her.

12-04-2013, 01:38 PM	#4
RobinW Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2010 Posts: 1,874	One story I've always found fascinating is the Monica Bonilla case, which is known for being UM's "unintentional" solve. Basically, after UM aired the Nyleen Kay Marshall segment, officials from a school called in believing that one of their students might be Nyleen. However, this girl wound up being another missing child named Monica Bonilla, who had been abducted by her non-custodial father. Of course, this case has practically no discussion around here since it's been solved and there's nothing to really say about it, but it's a pretty interesting story in its own right since Monica's father basically had a complete mental breakdown and believed he'd been inhabited by the spirit of John Lennon. I always found those photos of him growing out his hair and beard and dressing like Lennon to be pretty creepy. Since Monica had been missing for several years at that point and authorities seemed to have forgotten about her, I wonder if she ever would have been found if it wasn't for UM.

12-04-2013, 06:31 PM	#7
RobinW Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2010 Posts: 1,874	I think the only "mysterious part" of the Bonnie Haim segment is how her own father was the biggest defender of Michael's innocence (whereas Michael's own relatives seemed to believed he was guilty). The fact that the father was willing to go to bat for him initially made me think there might have been information left out which pointed to Michael's innocence, but over the years, I think he eventually came to believe Michael was responsible.

12-04-2013, 06:56 PM	#11
MegtheEgg86 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Jun 19, 2008 Location: The Volunteer State Posts: 5,156	One I considered for possible inclusion on this thread is the Dan Wilson case. Although his remains were found in 1997 and it seems chronic carbon monoxide toxicity did in fact contribute to his strange behavior in the days preceding his disappearance, I suppose there could be other explanations for what happened.

12-06-2013, 03:29 AM	#14
isotope Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 09, 2013 Location: Australia Posts: 287	Pretty much all the supernatural ones. There's really not much to be said. Either you believe in the paranormal, or you think the people on the segments are mistaken or making it up.

12-06-2013, 03:40 AM	#15
MegtheEgg86 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Jun 19, 2008 Location: The Volunteer State Posts: 5,156	I think what's most interesting about Bonnie Haim is her son Aaron's testimony that he witnessed the murder. He was around three or four years old at the time. I guess I don't know what to think about it. There have certainly been cases in which small children do witness horrible things and tell the honest-to-God truth about what they saw. But in others, they have embellished or fabricated a story. Aaron's story, however, seemed to be the lynchpin of the wrongful death suit against Michael, but no criminal charges have ever filed (as far as I know). I think it's extremely likely Michael Haim is responsible for Bonnie's disappearance, but I guess I'm a touch leery about the story. Maybe I'm just naive and find it too difficult to wrap my mind around the notion that a man would actually murder his wife in front of his tiny son.