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MegtheEgg86 · 10-02-2013, 08:27 PM

Do you subscribe to a minority or alternate view on any case featured on UM? I have a few:

-Mike Riemer didn't kill Diana Robertson
-Larry Race didn't plan to kill his wife and it really was a boating accident
-Jule Caylor might not have been responsible for his wife's disappearance

What are yours?

Necco · 10-02-2013, 08:45 PM

Courtney Love had Kurt Cobain killed.
Tara Calico was NOT in those pictures. (everyone and their mom read VC Andrews then)
Adam Emery didn't jump.
Lizzie Borden gave no one any whacks.

Resurrection Mary was NOT the most annoying case.

TheCars1986 · 10-02-2013, 09:04 PM

Great topic Meg! Here are some of mine:

-Mike O'Mara committed suicide.
-Andre Jones committed suicide.
-Keith Warren's death was an accident that was covered up by some pretty stupid kids.
-Tommy Zeigler is innocent and had nothing to do with the murders of his wife, in-laws, or Charlie Mays.
-Wayne Hecker is innocent and had no involvement in the disappearance of Tara Breckinridge.
-Paul Pollis actually has a strong case for his innocence in his wife's disappearance.
-The Allagash abductions were brought on by drug use and suggestive hypnosis.
-Tim McClure is most certainly innocent.
-Virtually all of the final appellants were guilty (with the exceptions being of course Zeigler, and those who were exonerated after their respective UM segments).

WishfulDreamer · 10-02-2013, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MegtheEgg86

Do you subscribe to a minority or alternate view on any case featured on UM? I have a few:

-Mike Riemer didn't kill Diana Robertson
-Larry Race didn't plan to kill his wife and it really was a boating accident
-Jule Caylor might not have been responsible for his wife's disappearance

What are yours?

I would agree with all of these, even though for years I thought Mike was probably guilty.

Some of mine:

I think the Danny Williams case was a murder.
I think the guy in the Dick Hansen case was not a disgruntled fan (and his motives had nothing to do with the 49ers).
I like the Magic Rock segment.

isotope · 10-03-2013, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Necco

Courtney Love had Kurt Cobain killed.
Tara Calico was NOT in those pictures. (everyone and their mom read VC Andrews then)
Adam Emery didn't jump.
Lizzie Borden gave no one any whacks.

Resurrection Mary was NOT the most annoying case.

Disagree PROFOUNDLY about Courtney Love - to me, the Kurt Cobain segment is UM at its worst. He was clearly and undeniably suicidal in the months leading up to his death, there is nothing suspicious about the circumstances of his death, and Love had no motive to kill him (even if she wanted to end their marriage, which is entirely possible, she would have been entitled to a fat chunk of his present and future income under any divorce). UM are creating a "mystery" when there simply isn't one there.

Agree with you re: Calico (not sure we're in the minority on that one though). Kind of agree with you on Emery (although, its worth noting the FBI think he still may be alive). The evidence around Borden is too confused and distant in time to come up with a conclusion either way IMO.

My own one? Tim McClure may be innocent (I'm not sure what to make of that guy to be honest...might he be covering for someone else like his wife?) and I fimly believe Kurt Sova simply died of either alcohol poisoning or alcohol induced aphyxiation at the party, before the party hosts panicked and hid his body before dumping it.

wiseguy182 · 10-03-2013, 01:50 AM

I agree with all of Meg's, in fact, I've always felt that way about those cases. Well, I should say it was a few years ago when I moved into 50/50 territory on Jule.

Actually, Tim McClure being innocent seems to be the majority opinion on here. Don't really know why.

One area I know I've always been in the minority on is thinking Gale Delano was a disgusting wench for doing that. I wouldn't have held a lifetime grudge against her for committing suicide, but there were ways to do it that didn't involve throwing suspicion on innocent people. There were ways to do it that didn't involved making your family thinking you were being tied up and tortured and raped repeatedly or God knows what. There were ways to do it that didn't involve abandoning your kids. There were ways to do it that didn't involve a miracle being needed to even identify her body, and a ton of resources being wasted in order to do so.

MegtheEgg86 · 10-03-2013, 02:34 AM

I'm also in the Tim-McClure-Was-Involved camp.

Others for me:

-Tony Lombardi committed suicide
-Bobby Fuller's death was not a murder
-the Mike O'Mara and Ralph Probst cases might be related
-Bob Hall did not murder Kay
-Alejandro Espinoza was/is alive and for whatever reason chose not to take the reward

wiseguy182 · 10-03-2013, 03:45 AM

I've never been convinced that Bob Hall murdered Kay either. We're talking about a very short possible time frame here, I think he would have to get very, very lucky. Not to mention be incredibly stupid to murder his wife on the very same day she received a large inheritance.

WishfulDreamer · 10-03-2013, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by wiseguy182

I've never been convinced that Bob Hall murdered Kay either. We're talking about a very short possible time frame here, I think he would have to get very, very lucky. Not to mention be incredibly stupid to murder his wife on the very same day she received a large inheritance.

I agree. I don't think he could have pulled it off in that time frame. Also, he would have had to have found her in the dark after she left the party AND he was pretty intoxicated at the time.

I think he took the plea deal just to avoid spending time in prison, not because he was actually guilty.

Necco · 10-03-2013, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by isotope

Disagree PROFOUNDLY about Courtney Love - to me, the Kurt Cobain segment is UM at its worst. He was clearly and undeniably suicidal in the months leading up to his death, there is nothing suspicious about the circumstances of his death, and Love had no motive to kill him (even if she wanted to end their marriage, which is entirely possible, she would have been entitled to a fat chunk of his present and future income under any divorce). UM are creating a "mystery" when there simply isn't one there.

Respectfully snipped by me

There's actually a fair amount of suspicious circumstances are the death of Kurt Cobain, including who used his missing credit card after his death, the subsequent death of El Duce who claims (and passed a polygraph) that Courtney tried to hire him to kill Kurt, the death of Kristen Pfaff, why Courtney hired a private detective but didn't tell him to check their house in Seattle, etc.

I could go on and on. I've always thought Courtney had him killed. For information, check out the book Who Killed Kurt Cobain. For a good laugh and perhaps the worst documentary ever made, check out Kurt and Courtney on Netflix. Bonus points if you drink every time they talk about Courtney's lawyers, but I'd only sip, not do a shot otherwise, you'll be able to ask Kurt himself after you've died of alcohol poisoning.

At the very least, Courtney is a sociopath whose own father has suspicions about her involvement

SheRaaa · 10-03-2013, 07:30 AM

I don't believe Tara Calico is the girl in the mysterious photo, and I never believed Katherine Korzilius scrambled on to her mom's SUV and then fell off.

There was also the case (Tony Lombardi) where, if I remember correctly, the mom claimed she saw all this weird stuff in the house when her son died. I always thought she was just engaging in wishful thinking or remembering things incorrectly (mixing-up days, etc.)

RobinW · 10-03-2013, 08:38 AM

I'm pretty Rob Shaffer is responsible for Angela Hammond's disappearance... and also the disappearances of the two convenience store women in the segment. And the disappearances of Tara Calico, Debra Poe and Tami Lynn Leppert. Oh, and I'm pretty sure he was the Blind River Rest Stop Killer too.

Okay, here are my real responses...

Yeah, like others in this thread, I am also inclined to believe that Bob Hall and Wayne Hecker are innocent. Agree on Mike Riemer too, though I think more people now believe he's innocent since his skull was found. I also lean more towards Tim McClure's innocence, though this is mostly because of the D.A.'s decision to drop the murder charges against him with prejudice.

I don't know what it is, but I've never been 100 % comfortable with the idea of Don Sherman being responsible for his wife's death. He isn't very likeable, but some of the scenarios presented in the segment (leaving his wife's dead body on the couch when his daughter was in the house, retrieving her skull after he'd essentially gotten away with the crime) seem pretty far-fetched.

I think most people here believe that the Baldwin P.D. had nothing to do with Michael Rosenblum's death and only tried to cover up their screw-up with the car, but after reading some more outside articles about the case, I've changed my position and now believe he was murdered.

Killarney Rose · 10-03-2013, 10:31 AM

I don't think Tara Calico was in the pictures that were found. I think she was murdered within a short time of being abducted.

I think Amy Bradley fell overboard shortly after her father last saw her.

I think Katherine Korzillous death was a tragic freak accident involving her moms SUV.

Lastly, I think Tommy Zeigler is guilty.

Sometimes, the original, obvious theory is a true one even though it is quite easy to put a different armchair detective spin on the case.

MegtheEgg86 · 10-03-2013, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCars1986

-Virtually all of the final appellants were guilty (with the exceptions being of course Zeigler, and those who were exonerated after their respective UM segments).

What do you think about Dan Montecalvo? I haven't read Karen Kingsbury's book on the case yet (just ordered it), but at this point I think he may be innocent given Susan Brown's confession and some of the details of the shooting.

Paul Ferrell was guilty as hell. All totally creepy obscene phone calls aside, I do not for one second believe he just happened upon Cathy's vehicle on his property and was "too afraid" to call the police.

MegtheEgg86 · 10-03-2013, 05:06 PM

I also agree that Wayne Hecker wasn't responsible for Tara Breckenridge's disappearance.

I do still think Paul Pollis might have something to do with Charlotte's disappearance, but probably not in the way her family alleges.

On Tara Calico, I had occasion some months back to see a news report on the anniversary of her disappearance, and included on it was a live video of Tara competing in what looked to be something like a Junior Miss competition. IMO, she looked nothing like the girl in that photograph.

I'm with what I think is the majority on Amy Bradley. I think the man she met has something to do with her disappearance, but I don't really buy that sold-into-slavery theory.

I also agree Resurrection Mary is not the most annoying segment. The Men in Black segment is.

10-02-2013, 08:27 PM	#1
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10-02-2013, 08:45 PM	#2
Necco Member Senior Member Join Date: Jan 06, 2006 Posts: 1,149	Courtney Love had Kurt Cobain killed. Tara Calico was NOT in those pictures. (everyone and their mom read VC Andrews then) Adam Emery didn't jump. Lizzie Borden gave no one any whacks. Resurrection Mary was NOT the most annoying case.

10-02-2013, 09:04 PM	#3
TheCars1986 #VLSKMS Forum Fanatic Join Date: Nov 22, 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 8,606	Great topic Meg! Here are some of mine: -Mike O'Mara committed suicide. -Andre Jones committed suicide. -Keith Warren's death was an accident that was covered up by some pretty stupid kids. -Tommy Zeigler is innocent and had nothing to do with the murders of his wife, in-laws, or Charlie Mays. -Wayne Hecker is innocent and had no involvement in the disappearance of Tara Breckinridge. -Paul Pollis actually has a strong case for his innocence in his wife's disappearance. -The Allagash abductions were brought on by drug use and suggestive hypnosis. -Tim McClure is most certainly innocent. -Virtually all of the final appellants were guilty (with the exceptions being of course Zeigler, and those who were exonerated after their respective UM segments).

10-03-2013, 01:50 AM	#6
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	I agree with all of Meg's, in fact, I've always felt that way about those cases. Well, I should say it was a few years ago when I moved into 50/50 territory on Jule. Actually, Tim McClure being innocent seems to be the majority opinion on here. Don't really know why. One area I know I've always been in the minority on is thinking Gale Delano was a disgusting wench for doing that. I wouldn't have held a lifetime grudge against her for committing suicide, but there were ways to do it that didn't involve throwing suspicion on innocent people. There were ways to do it that didn't involved making your family thinking you were being tied up and tortured and raped repeatedly or God knows what. There were ways to do it that didn't involve abandoning your kids. There were ways to do it that didn't involve a miracle being needed to even identify her body, and a ton of resources being wasted in order to do so.

10-03-2013, 02:34 AM	#7
MegtheEgg86 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Jun 19, 2008 Location: The Volunteer State Posts: 5,156	I'm also in the Tim-McClure-Was-Involved camp. Others for me: -Tony Lombardi committed suicide -Bobby Fuller's death was not a murder -the Mike O'Mara and Ralph Probst cases might be related -Bob Hall did not murder Kay -Alejandro Espinoza was/is alive and for whatever reason chose not to take the reward

10-03-2013, 03:45 AM	#8
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	I've never been convinced that Bob Hall murdered Kay either. We're talking about a very short possible time frame here, I think he would have to get very, very lucky. Not to mention be incredibly stupid to murder his wife on the very same day she received a large inheritance.

10-03-2013, 07:30 AM	#11
SheRaaa Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Dec 30, 2009 Posts: 421	I don't believe Tara Calico is the girl in the mysterious photo, and I never believed Katherine Korzilius scrambled on to her mom's SUV and then fell off. There was also the case (Tony Lombardi) where, if I remember correctly, the mom claimed she saw all this weird stuff in the house when her son died. I always thought she was just engaging in wishful thinking or remembering things incorrectly (mixing-up days, etc.)

10-03-2013, 08:38 AM	#12
RobinW Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2010 Posts: 1,874	I'm pretty Rob Shaffer is responsible for Angela Hammond's disappearance... and also the disappearances of the two convenience store women in the segment. And the disappearances of Tara Calico, Debra Poe and Tami Lynn Leppert. Oh, and I'm pretty sure he was the Blind River Rest Stop Killer too. Okay, here are my real responses... Yeah, like others in this thread, I am also inclined to believe that Bob Hall and Wayne Hecker are innocent. Agree on Mike Riemer too, though I think more people now believe he's innocent since his skull was found. I also lean more towards Tim McClure's innocence, though this is mostly because of the D.A.'s decision to drop the murder charges against him with prejudice. I don't know what it is, but I've never been 100 % comfortable with the idea of Don Sherman being responsible for his wife's death. He isn't very likeable, but some of the scenarios presented in the segment (leaving his wife's dead body on the couch when his daughter was in the house, retrieving her skull after he'd essentially gotten away with the crime) seem pretty far-fetched. I think most people here believe that the Baldwin P.D. had nothing to do with Michael Rosenblum's death and only tried to cover up their screw-up with the car, but after reading some more outside articles about the case, I've changed my position and now believe he was murdered.

10-03-2013, 10:31 AM	#13
Killarney Rose Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 24, 2010 Location: AL Posts: 656	I don't think Tara Calico was in the pictures that were found. I think she was murdered within a short time of being abducted. I think Amy Bradley fell overboard shortly after her father last saw her. I think Katherine Korzillous death was a tragic freak accident involving her moms SUV. Lastly, I think Tommy Zeigler is guilty. Sometimes, the original, obvious theory is a true one even though it is quite easy to put a different armchair detective spin on the case.

10-03-2013, 05:06 PM	#15
MegtheEgg86 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Jun 19, 2008 Location: The Volunteer State Posts: 5,156	I also agree that Wayne Hecker wasn't responsible for Tara Breckenridge's disappearance. I do still think Paul Pollis might have something to do with Charlotte's disappearance, but probably not in the way her family alleges. On Tara Calico, I had occasion some months back to see a news report on the anniversary of her disappearance, and included on it was a live video of Tara competing in what looked to be something like a Junior Miss competition. IMO, she looked nothing like the girl in that photograph. I'm with what I think is the majority on Amy Bradley. I think the man she met has something to do with her disappearance, but I don't really buy that sold-into-slavery theory. I also agree Resurrection Mary is not the most annoying segment. The Men in Black segment is.