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Archie and Edith · 02-22-2002, 08:21 PM

Who thinks this show was like All In the Family?
I think they were the same, a little.

Thanks,

Archie and Edith

Janice · 02-24-2002, 07:35 PM

The shows are similar in a few ways. These similarities include how both Ralph and Archie are loud and opinionated yet both have a heart of gold. Neither men are that smart in an academic sense.
Also, on both shows, the couples are in love, but don't often show it.
The Kramdens and the Bunkers are blue collar families that lead simple lives and don't have much money. Neither wives work. Alice stood up to Ralph more than Edith did to Archie though.
That's all I can think of for now.

Céline · 02-24-2002, 09:37 PM

I think The Flinstones got more similarities that All in the family.Excuse the comparaison but,I really do!I think that Hanna-Barbara was inspired by this show to make the cartoon

LucyFan · 02-25-2002, 01:28 AM

I think The Honeymooners was All in the Family in the 50's. Ralph Kramden reminds me so much of Archie Bunker because they acted just about the same.

VioletRutherford · 03-08-2002, 12:43 PM

I agree 150%!! I think the characters of Archie & Ralph we're quite a like. I think Archie was made out to be more of a bigot then the character of Ralph Kramden. On the other side of the coin, I think Alice & Edith we're quite different. Alice was not afraid to speak her peace when she felt Ralph was wrong. I felt Edith's character was quite timid. The later years she mustered enough courage to speak her mind with Archie!

Screenwriter · 08-09-2002, 04:58 PM

[FONT=courier new][COLOR=blue] Its funny how you mention that they're alike, they're even alike outside of TV... Carroll O'Connor and Jackie Gleason mailed each other alot, saying on how their show was different and how they would have liked to try some of the things. The shows both have books about them, and they're both written by the same author... Donna McCrohan.

Brian Damage · 08-13-2002, 01:40 PM

Aside from Ralph and Archie being similar, I don't really see the comparisons?!?

W.J. Griffin · 10-21-2002, 02:32 AM

"The Honeymooners" was and is an influential show that still inspires creators to this day...both "Married: With Children" and "Roc" were updated versions of the show (indeed, "Roc" was originally supposed to BE a "Black Honeymooners" before Charles S. Dutton insisted on changes...)

But consider this: "The Honeymooners" itself bears a strong resemblance to another earlier, more infamous sitcom..."The Amos 'n' Andy Show"...from the near-identical opening credits to the similar characters (Ralph/Alice/Norton-Kingfish/Sapphire/Andy)

Think about it.

JaneTVFan · 10-24-2002, 02:38 AM

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Originally posted by Archie and Edith
Who thinks this show was like All In the Family?
I think they were the same, a little.

Thanks,

Archie and Edith

Imagine Ralph Kramden being married to Gracie Allen and you've pretty much got the Bunkers.

JaneTVFan · 10-24-2002, 03:48 AM

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Originally posted by JaneTVFan

Imagine Ralph Kramden being married to Gracie Allen and you've pretty much got the Bunkers.

On second thought, isn't Edith really Ed Norton with a sex change? When Edith gets that look of befuddlement on her face when some comment goes over her head, isn't that look almost identical to the one you see on Ed's face in similar situations? And doesn't Edith drive Archie up the wall with her idiocy the same way Ed does to Ralph?

And isn't Mike really Alice with a sex change? Mike is able to forcefully stand up to Archie and put him in his place the same way Alice did to Ralph.

Then there's Gloria. I don't think her personality is very much unlike that of Trixie's. They even cry similarly. Take away the romantic element of Gloria and Mike's relationship and you have Trixie and Alice's relationship.

Take away the marital element of Archie and Edith's relationship and you have Ralph and Ed's relationship. All in the Family is really just the Honeymooners with a couple sex changes and repartnering.

avilev · 11-05-2002, 10:33 PM

Over the years, I always thought that Jackie Gleason would have made a terrific Archie Bunker, with the added dimension of "fat " jokes. There were similarities but basically no social issues on The Honeymooners (kind of taboo in the '50s). I think Archie wasn't really a bigot, just incredibly ignorant. Ralph never got into those issues.

Archie and Edith · 10-24-2005, 02:20 PM

Does anyone think Norton was like Barney Hefner? I think so. Norton got on Ralph's nerves and Barney got on Archie's nerves. so here's another similarity.

treky · 10-28-2005, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Céline

I think The Flinstones got more similarities that All in the family.Excuse the comparaison but,I really do!I think that Hanna-Barbara was inspired by this show to make the cartoon

Thet were inspired by it, in fact Jackie Gleason was going to sue Hanna-Barbara over it. But his lawyer said "Do you want to be known for trying to bring down a show that's liked by millions of kids and adults?"

Archie and Edith · 10-28-2005, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by treky

Thet were inspired by it, in fact Jackie Gleason was going to sue Hanna-Barbara over it. But his lawyer said "Do you want to be known for trying to bring down a show that's liked by millions of kids and adults?"

I didn't know that Gleason wanted to sue. But I will say that my "All In the Family" TV book says that Archie has been compared to Ralph.

Zebra 3 · 10-28-2005, 07:31 PM

They're two great US sitcoms about lower income families, but overall are quite different in my opinion.

02-22-2002, 08:21 PM	#1
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Céline Member Senior Member Join Date: Jan 29, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,606	The Flintstones looked more like the show I think The Flinstones got more similarities that All in the family.Excuse the comparaison but,I really do!I think that Hanna-Barbara was inspired by this show to make the cartoon

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Screenwriter Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 18, 2002 Posts: 760	[FONT=courier new][COLOR=blue] Its funny how you mention that they're alike, they're even alike outside of TV... Carroll O'Connor and Jackie Gleason mailed each other alot, saying on how their show was different and how they would have liked to try some of the things. The shows both have books about them, and they're both written by the same author... Donna McCrohan.
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W.J. Griffin Member Forum Regular Join Date: Aug 29, 2002 Posts: 527	"The Honeymooners" was and is an influential show that still inspires creators to this day...both "Married: With Children" and "Roc" were updated versions of the show (indeed, "Roc" was originally supposed to BE a "Black Honeymooners" before Charles S. Dutton insisted on changes...) But consider this: "The Honeymooners" itself bears a strong resemblance to another earlier, more infamous sitcom..."The Amos 'n' Andy Show"...from the near-identical opening credits to the similar characters (Ralph/Alice/Norton-Kingfish/Sapphire/Andy) Think about it.
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02-24-2002, 07:35 PM	#2
Janice Retired Admin - Hollywood Swingin' Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 03, 2001 Location: Beantown Posts: 36,388	The shows are similar in a few ways. These similarities include how both Ralph and Archie are loud and opinionated yet both have a heart of gold. Neither men are that smart in an academic sense. Also, on both shows, the couples are in love, but don't often show it. The Kramdens and the Bunkers are blue collar families that lead simple lives and don't have much money. Neither wives work. Alice stood up to Ralph more than Edith did to Archie though. That's all I can think of for now.

02-25-2002, 01:28 AM	#4
LucyFan Still Loving Lucy! Forum Fanatic Join Date: Sep 23, 2001 Location: In the Wonderful World of Lucy! Posts: 8,198	I think The Honeymooners was All in the Family in the 50's. Ralph Kramden reminds me so much of Archie Bunker because they acted just about the same.

03-08-2002, 12:43 PM	#5
VioletRutherford Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Mar 06, 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 45	I agree 150%!! I think the characters of Archie & Ralph we're quite a like. I think Archie was made out to be more of a bigot then the character of Ralph Kramden. On the other side of the coin, I think Alice & Edith we're quite different. Alice was not afraid to speak her peace when she felt Ralph was wrong. I felt Edith's character was quite timid. The later years she mustered enough courage to speak her mind with Archie!

11-05-2002, 10:33 PM	#11
avilev Member Forum Hawk Join Date: Oct 15, 2002 Posts: 3	Over the years, I always thought that Jackie Gleason would have made a terrific Archie Bunker, with the added dimension of "fat " jokes. There were similarities but basically no social issues on The Honeymooners (kind of taboo in the '50s). I think Archie wasn't really a bigot, just incredibly ignorant. Ralph never got into those issues.

10-24-2005, 02:20 PM	#12
Archie and Edith Kerry's the best Frequent Poster Join Date: Dec 17, 2001 Location: Archie Bunker's house Posts: 418	Does anyone think Norton was like Barney Hefner? I think so. Norton got on Ralph's nerves and Barney got on Archie's nerves. so here's another similarity.
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10-28-2005, 07:31 PM	#15
Zebra 3 Striped Tomato Forum Veteran Join Date: Jun 26, 2002 Location: Bay City Posts: 5,810	They're two great US sitcoms about lower income families, but overall are quite different in my opinion.
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