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DoubleNaughtSpy · 07-09-2013, 06:52 PM

Is it just me or are there other people out there thinking that a pot of "prime-time" gold was missed out by not having Archie Bunker meet John Evans, Sr? Before anyone says, "Hey, what's ol' DoubleNaughtSpy talkin' about? That couldn't happen" let me remind you that Edith cousin was Maude Findlay. And in her own self-titled show, Maude employed Florida Evans, who in turn starred as the matriarch of "Good Times." Ergo, Archie Bunker and John Evans could have crossed paths. Imagine the hilarity that would have ensued if Archie would have dared hurled his 1970's "barely acceptable" bigoted insults at badass John Evans? I can hear the laughter now as Edith says to Archie, "Oh Archie! That man just broke your nose and busted a couple of ribs. I think we'd better get to a hospital!" Then Archie would respond with a "Stifle it, Edith!" as he coughed up blood. Ah... 'good times' indeed.

Loves Old Tv · 07-09-2013, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DoubleNaughtSpy

Is it just me or are there other people out there thinking that a pot of "prime-time" gold was missed out by not having Archie Bunker meet John Evans, Sr? Before anyone says, "Hey, what's ol' DoubleNaughtSpy talkin' about? That couldn't happen" let me remind you that Edith cousin was Maude Findlay. And in her own self-titled show, Maude employed Florida Evans, who in turn starred as the matriarch of "Good Times." Ergo, Archie Bunker and John Evans could have crossed paths. Imagine the hilarity that would have ensued if Archie would have dared hurled his 1970's "barely acceptable" bigoted insults at badass John Evans? I can hear the laughter now as Edith says to Archie, "Oh Archie! That man just broke your nose and busted a couple of ribs. I think we'd better get to a hospital!" Then Archie would respond with a "Stifle it, Edith!" as he coughed up blood. Ah... 'good times' indeed.

Do you mean James Evans, Sr., JJ's father on Good Times?

Frump · 07-13-2013, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DoubleNaughtSpy

Is it just me or are there other people out there thinking that a pot of "prime-time" gold was missed out by not having Archie Bunker meet John Evans, Sr? Before anyone says, "Hey, what's ol' DoubleNaughtSpy talkin' about? That couldn't happen" let me remind you that Edith cousin was Maude Findlay. And in her own self-titled show, Maude employed Florida Evans, who in turn starred as the matriarch of "Good Times." Ergo, Archie Bunker and John Evans could have crossed paths. Imagine the hilarity that would have ensued if Archie would have dared hurled his 1970's "barely acceptable" bigoted insults at badass John Evans? I can hear the laughter now as Edith says to Archie, "Oh Archie! That man just broke your nose and busted a couple of ribs. I think we'd better get to a hospital!" Then Archie would respond with a "Stifle it, Edith!" as he coughed up blood. Ah... 'good times' indeed.

I always thought it would have been funny if the Bunkers met the Evans'.

James would have gotten ticked off at Archie no doubt, but I think James would have been decent to Archie for the most part, since Archie was his eldor, James seemed to have a lot of old fashined values like respecting your eldors.... I think the REAL conflict would be between Archie and Michael.

Pug Lover · 11-30-2013, 01:53 PM

Actually,Good Times is believed by some not to have been spun off from Maude at all.Therefor the show was perhaps not set in the All In The Family "universe".

I assume the reasons for this belief would be as follows.

1:When Florida's husband ocassionally appeared on Maude,even though he was played by the same actor,John Amos,his first name was Henry,not James.

2:When she was still Maude's maid,she and her husband claimed to be wealthy and living in New York,not poor in eastside Chicago.

3:There was never any reference made to Florida's occupation as Maude's maid on Good Times.

TV_on_the_Porch · 11-30-2013, 04:41 PM

I guess it all comes down to how strictly you define the term. Even if Good Times was created entirely independently of Maude (and by obvious extension AITF) the fact remains that the character of Florida Evans, which originated with Maude, was 'spun off' to star in it.

TVFactFan · 11-30-2013, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pug Lover

Actually,Good Times is believed by some not to have been spun off from Maude at all.Therefor the show was perhaps not set in the All In The Family "universe".

I assume the reasons for this belief would be as follows.

1:When Florida's husband ocassionally appeared on Maude,even though he was played by the same actor,John Amos,his first name was Henry,not James.

2:When she was still Maude's maid,she and her husband claimed to be wealthy and living in New York,not poor in eastside Chicago.

3:There was never any reference made to Florida's occupation as Maude's maid on Good Times.

It's not a spinoff which was admitted by a good times producer

TVFactFan · 11-30-2013, 05:11 PM

Also it was no way for the Evans who lived in a chicago with limited money, to be in Queens, NY

So a crossover was not possible

treky · 12-02-2013, 04:03 AM

o boy, here we go again!

TVFactFan · 12-02-2013, 08:58 PM

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o boy, here we go again!

I wasn't talking spinoff, I was saying how a crossover would not be possible

visaman666 · 12-02-2013, 10:12 PM

We all know how much Archie liked visiting his relatives.

I doubt he would travel by bus to visit Maude, let alone to visit Maud's maid and her husband. He didn't even visit Jefferson, and they lived in the same city!

TVFactFan · 12-02-2013, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by visaman666

We all know how much Archie liked visiting his relatives.

I doubt he would travel by bus to visit Maude, let alone to visit Maud's maid and her husband. He didn't even visit Jefferson, and they lived in the same city!

Maude's maid was in Chicago so that was not possible

Also Archie didn't visit the Jeffersons because they were not friends. So only Edith would have visited them, or Mike to see Lionel

McGillicuddy · 12-05-2013, 05:47 PM

Since it really wasn't a spin-off, I wonder why they kept the name Florida, for Esther Rolle's character.

TVFactFan · 12-05-2013, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by McGillicuddy

Since it really wasn't a spin-off, I wonder why they kept the name Florida, for Esther Rolle's character.

The fact that it was in Chicago confirms that it really wasn't a spinoff. What connection does Maude have to the city of Chicago?

TV_on_the_Porch · 12-06-2013, 01:00 AM

Florida Evans.

TVFactFan · 12-06-2013, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TV_on_the_Porch

Florida Evans.

Doesn't matter, she is in another city living in poverty and wasn't like that on Maude

07-09-2013, 06:52 PM	#1
DoubleNaughtSpy Member Forum Hawk Join Date: Jul 09, 2013 Location: Bugtussle Posts: 4	All in the Family "universe" Is it just me or are there other people out there thinking that a pot of "prime-time" gold was missed out by not having Archie Bunker meet John Evans, Sr? Before anyone says, "Hey, what's ol' DoubleNaughtSpy talkin' about? That couldn't happen" let me remind you that Edith cousin was Maude Findlay. And in her own self-titled show, Maude employed Florida Evans, who in turn starred as the matriarch of "Good Times." Ergo, Archie Bunker and John Evans could have crossed paths. Imagine the hilarity that would have ensued if Archie would have dared hurled his 1970's "barely acceptable" bigoted insults at badass John Evans? I can hear the laughter now as Edith says to Archie, "Oh Archie! That man just broke your nose and busted a couple of ribs. I think we'd better get to a hospital!" Then Archie would respond with a "Stifle it, Edith!" as he coughed up blood. Ah... 'good times' indeed.

11-30-2013, 01:53 PM	#4
Pug Lover Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 05, 2003 Location: Hamilton Ontario Canada Posts: 467	Actually,Good Times is believed by some not to have been spun off from Maude at all.Therefor the show was perhaps not set in the All In The Family "universe". I assume the reasons for this belief would be as follows. 1:When Florida's husband ocassionally appeared on Maude,even though he was played by the same actor,John Amos,his first name was Henry,not James. 2:When she was still Maude's maid,she and her husband claimed to be wealthy and living in New York,not poor in eastside Chicago. 3:There was never any reference made to Florida's occupation as Maude's maid on Good Times.
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12-02-2013, 04:03 AM	#8
treky star trek fan Eternal Member Forum Star Join Date: Feb 25, 2002 Location: Conshohocken, pennsylvania Posts: 14,490	o boy, here we go again!
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11-30-2013, 04:41 PM	#5
TV_on_the_Porch anything good on? Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 18, 2005 Posts: 879	I guess it all comes down to how strictly you define the term. Even if Good Times was created entirely independently of Maude (and by obvious extension AITF) the fact remains that the character of Florida Evans, which originated with Maude, was 'spun off' to star in it.

11-30-2013, 05:11 PM	#7
TVFactFan Member Forum Junkie Join Date: Aug 17, 2002 Posts: 99,154	Also it was no way for the Evans who lived in a chicago with limited money, to be in Queens, NY So a crossover was not possible

12-02-2013, 10:12 PM	#10
visaman666 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 06, 2007 Posts: 818	We all know how much Archie liked visiting his relatives. I doubt he would travel by bus to visit Maude, let alone to visit Maud's maid and her husband. He didn't even visit Jefferson, and they lived in the same city!

12-05-2013, 05:47 PM	#12
McGillicuddy Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Sep 28, 2002 Posts: 5,179	Since it really wasn't a spin-off, I wonder why they kept the name Florida, for Esther Rolle's character.

12-06-2013, 01:00 AM	#14
TV_on_the_Porch anything good on? Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 18, 2005 Posts: 879	Florida Evans.