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amandab1234 · 05-06-2013, 04:08 PM

I know UM had a few cases where LE thought they were suicide (Norman Ladner comes to mind). I know there are a few others but I cant think of them.. (I know one of them involves a young woman who they say shot herself even though it would have been impossible for her to do so)

If there is already a thread similar to this, sorry

flytrapp · 05-06-2013, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by amandab1234

I know UM had a few cases where LE thought they were suicide (Norman Ladner comes to mind). I know there are a few others but I cant think of them.. (I know one of them involves a young woman who they say shot herself even though it would have been impossible for her to do so)

If there is already a thread similar to this, sorry

I believe thegirl you are talking about was Rae Ann Mosser. Police said it was a suicide when experts say it was impossible for her to reach the trigger of the gun if pointing it at herself.

Some other cases I can think of where the cops thought it might be "suicide" are Cindy James, Tom Kueter and Bobby Fuller. I know there are many more but I can't think of them right now....

amandab1234 · 05-06-2013, 05:01 PM

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I believe thegirl you are talking about was Rae Ann Mosser. Police said it was a suicide when experts say it was impossible for her to reach the trigger of the gun if pointing it at herself.

Some other cases I can think of where the cops thought it might be "suicide" are Cindy James, Tom Kueter and Bobby Fuller. I know there are many more but I can't think of them right now....

Rae Ann Mosser... yes thats the one!!! Thank u!

MegtheEgg86 · 05-06-2013, 05:09 PM

Danny Williams
Tommy Burkett
Jeffery Digman
Ralph Sigler
Keith Warren
Tony Lombardi
Tom Young from the Keith Reinhard segment
Mike O'Mara

Those are the ones that first come to mind for me.

amandab1234 · 05-06-2013, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MegtheEgg86

Danny Williams
Tommy Burkett
Jeffery Digman
Ralph Sigler
Keith Warren
Tony Lombardi
Tom Young from the Keith Reinhard segment
Mike O'Mara

Those are the ones that first come to mind for me.

I have seen all these cases and I am ashamed of myself that none of these came to mind. :/ ..What about Don Henry and Kevin Ives? Didn’t LE also assume it was a double suicide?

1990 UM fan · 05-06-2013, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MegtheEgg86

Danny Williams
Tommy Burkett
Jeffery Digman
Ralph Sigler
Keith Warren
Tony Lombardi
Tom Young from the Keith Reinhard segment
Mike O'Mara

Those are the ones that first come to mind for me.

You beat me to it

1990 UM fan · 05-06-2013, 05:48 PM

Chad Langford and I think Steve Sandlin were also cases that were ruled a suicide. There's a case about 2 Army men who died mysteriously and their deaths were ruled suicides too.

MegtheEgg86 · 05-06-2013, 05:52 PM

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I have seen all these cases and I am ashamed of myself that none of these came to mind. :/ ..What about Don Henry and Kevin Ives? Didn’t LE also assume it was a double suicide?

Fahmy Malak, Arkansas's ME at the time, did initially rule the deaths accidental. He claimed the boys had chain-smoked something like 20 marijuana cigarettes and then laid down on the tracks. Two out-of-state pathologists were called in by then-Governor Clinton to review Dr. Malak's findings. They determined the deaths were probably homicides. Of course, when the grand jury came around, Gov. Clinton blocked the subpoena of both those pathologists for testimony.

MegtheEgg86 · 05-06-2013, 05:58 PM

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Chad Langford and I think Steve Sandlin were also cases that were ruled a suicide. There's a case about 2 Army men who died mysteriously and their deaths were ruled suicides too.

Yes, Langford was ruled a suicide. Sandlin's case, at the time, was assumed to be either an accident or a suicide. I'm not sure if it was even classified definitively as either. The two Army sergeants were Michael Carmichael and Billy Ray Hargrove.

WishfulDreamer · 05-06-2013, 07:42 PM

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Fahmy Malak, Arkansas's ME at the time, did initially rule the deaths accidental. He claimed the boys had chain-smoked something like 20 marijuana cigarettes and then laid down on the tracks. Two out-of-state pathologists were called in by then-Governor Clinton to review Dr. Malak's findings. They determined the deaths were probably homicides. Of course, when the grand jury came around, Gov. Clinton blocked the subpoena of both those pathologists for testimony.

Was this the jerk who threatened to show parents the mutilated pictures of their kids when they questioned his ruling?

What a pathetic ME.

MegtheEgg86 · 05-06-2013, 08:27 PM

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Was this the jerk who threatened to show parents the mutilated pictures of their kids when they questioned his ruling?

What a pathetic ME.

Yes. This was also the guy that said a decapitation victim was actually a suicide victim whose head had been later eaten by a dog, and that a woman died by falling off a porch six inches off the ground.

RobinW · 05-06-2013, 11:49 PM

Some other controversial, heavily debated cases that were considered to be possible suicides include:
Danny Casolaro
Dave Bocks
Andre Jones
Charles Morgan

I don't believe any of them were suicide, but find the idea that Dave Bocks killed himself to be especially ludicrous.

WishfulDreamer · 05-07-2013, 12:48 AM

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Yes. This was also the guy that said a decapitation victim was actually a suicide victim whose head had been later eaten by a dog, and that a woman died by falling off a porch six inches off the ground.

Ridiculous. Sounds like a lazy, incompetent arse of a man. I saw in another thread that he continues to be in practice, which just blows my mind.

Another case that takes the cake for having the worst theory ever? LE believing Doug Johnston may have been a suicide victim- even though there was no gun at the murder scene.

Yes, clearly guns just walk away on their own after being fired. Not to mention the distance at which he was shown to be shot.

Dave Bocks is also another one where I can't believe they would even consider suicide. Who would jump into a molting, fiery furnace? That's basically the most agonizing way you can take yourself out. Luckily, I don't think they actually labeled this one a suicide but just theorized.

I also strongly believe that Danny Casalero could not have killed himself, at least not in that manner. A man so squeamish of blood could not have slashed his wrists so many times- I don't know how anyone could slash their wrists so many times, enough to be fatal. Do you seriously pick up the mortally wounded wrist and move to your other wrist?? It just seems absurd and hard to pull off. Mainly, I don't believe someone so afraid of needles and blood could do that.

Sorry, I totally hijacked this thread with opinions. To get back on topic: Another one I think was not mentioned yet was George Reeves, known best for his role as Superman in the 50s. LE believed he probably took his own life.

I think Frank Olsen was also considered to be a suicide victim and the government later compensated his family for having given him LSD as part of an experiment. I think there was still a debate about whether or not he leapt through the window or someone pushed him. If I recall correctly, the glass of the window was broken, so his family was wondering why he would jump through glass if he wanted to jump rather than opening the window.

Ted Loseff, found in his garage. I also do not believe the suicide theory on this one. His wife's erratic behavior and the evidence presented by the housekeeper and mother all point to foul play, in my opinion.

MegtheEgg86 · 05-07-2013, 01:25 AM

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Ted Loseff, found in his garage. I also do not believe the suicide theory on this one. His wife's erratic behavior and the evidence presented by the housekeeper and mother all point to foul play, in my opinion.

I agree; Ted Loseff was totally not a suicide. That whole day's ordeal was such a dirty scheme: It got the poor maid out of the house while Ted was murdered and it gave Wilda an alibi.

The ones I definitely don't believe were suicides:

Chad Langford
Ralph Sigler
Keith Warren
Mike O'Mara
Andre Jones
Raeann Mossor
Doug Johnston
Charles Morgan
Jeffrey Digman
Tom Keuter

Ones that I'm not sure about:

Tommy Burkett (I used to think this one was a murder, but now I'm not as certain)
Danny Williams (I used to think this one was a suicide for sure, but I've grown away from that over the years)
Danny Casolaro
Steve Sandlin (Never convinced this was a suicide, never convinced it was a murder either)
Frank Olsen
Cindy James (I've NEVER known what to think on this one)
Bobby Fuller (I could see this one being an accident similar to what's been theorized with Kurt Sova, actually)

Ones I definitely think were suicides:

Tony Lombardi
Mike Carmichael and Billy Ray Hargrove

scc1222 · 05-07-2013, 03:07 AM

what was the case where the teenager went out to the woods to hunt,and was later found dead? it was ruled suicide,but his dad found something hanging from a tree (radio transponder or some signal device) and theorized he might have been killed due to witnessing a drug shipment drop.
I think there were also issues with the angle of the gun or something.And then someone told his mother to be quiet and not make a big deal about it or else.. some kind of threat..i don't recall.
also,what about the one where the college student's mailbox was broken into and he was chased to his house (as witnessed by a neighbor) and killed.911 tapes were erased and police said it had just happened,even though his parents said they could tell he'd been dead for awhile.then forensics found blood on the wall that had been wiped away.
these may be listed above,i just don't recall their names.thx for any info.

05-06-2013, 04:08 PM	#1
amandab1234 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 17, 2011 Posts: 573	How many cases were labeled as suicide? I know UM had a few cases where LE thought they were suicide (Norman Ladner comes to mind). I know there are a few others but I cant think of them.. (I know one of them involves a young woman who they say shot herself even though it would have been impossible for her to do so) If there is already a thread similar to this, sorry

05-06-2013, 05:09 PM	#4
MegtheEgg86 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Jun 19, 2008 Location: The Volunteer State Posts: 5,156	Danny Williams Tommy Burkett Jeffery Digman Ralph Sigler Keith Warren Tony Lombardi Tom Young from the Keith Reinhard segment Mike O'Mara Those are the ones that first come to mind for me.
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05-06-2013, 05:48 PM	#7
1990 UM fan Unsolved Mysteries fanatic Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2011 Location: United States Posts: 2,510	Chad Langford and I think Steve Sandlin were also cases that were ruled a suicide. There's a case about 2 Army men who died mysteriously and their deaths were ruled suicides too.

05-06-2013, 11:49 PM	#12
RobinW Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2010 Posts: 1,874	Some other controversial, heavily debated cases that were considered to be possible suicides include: Danny Casolaro Dave Bocks Andre Jones Charles Morgan I don't believe any of them were suicide, but find the idea that Dave Bocks killed himself to be especially ludicrous.

05-07-2013, 03:07 AM	#15
scc1222 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 02, 2011 Posts: 547	what was the case where the teenager went out to the woods to hunt,and was later found dead? it was ruled suicide,but his dad found something hanging from a tree (radio transponder or some signal device) and theorized he might have been killed due to witnessing a drug shipment drop. I think there were also issues with the angle of the gun or something.And then someone told his mother to be quiet and not make a big deal about it or else.. some kind of threat..i don't recall. also,what about the one where the college student's mailbox was broken into and he was chased to his house (as witnessed by a neighbor) and killed.911 tapes were erased and police said it had just happened,even though his parents said they could tell he'd been dead for awhile.then forensics found blood on the wall that had been wiped away. these may be listed above,i just don't recall their names.thx for any info.