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JannTosh · 02-08-2013, 10:36 PM

just wondering what people though on this UFO episode

benoitbabe · 02-08-2013, 10:59 PM

Well, I don't think it's a hoax. Maine people are honest hard working people for the most part. I'm not sure what the heck happened to them,but I'm sure something did.

DarkDante · 02-09-2013, 03:40 AM

Well for me it's quite possibly the creepiest story UM has ever profiled. The creepy part of it being that it all feels very real. In my opinion the men either suffered some type of mass hallucination brought on either by the elements or intoxication or they are telling the truth.

As benoitbabe stated something happened to those men that night, whether or not you believe they were abducted by aliens or not.

TheCars1986 · 02-09-2013, 10:42 AM

I think they were on some good stuff that day.

scc1222 · 02-09-2013, 11:34 AM

I don't care to debate,but these men were all artists,and they all had a reason to lie.And if you are familiar with true crime and the methods ppl use to lie,this story can easily be picked apart,starting with the HUGE bonfire they made,and then boated away from.You'd have to be mindless to build such a fire and stir up such a risk in the forest where no one else is around,and then get into a boat and basically paddle away from it. (oh yeah..and the night fishing,bc they werent catching anything in the daytime...an excuse for them all to be together in the boat at night).
Not to mention,you mean to tell me that the UFO saw a tiny beam from a flashlight and FLEW twds it,yet failed to even so much as notice a HUGE bonfire....seriously????
Also,when this story was aired on the History channel..it's on the forbidden site,or at least it used to be...one of the twins changed his story...in true crime,it's a BIG BIG indication of a lie!! (I'm not calling them criminals,only if you use the same methods of lie detection,you can see they aren't being truthful).Suddenly,instead of ending up on the edge of the lake w a flashlight,he said the aliens were in the water,next to the boat,trying to postion them into it.WHOA.
And one of the men so much as admitted it didn't happen...he said "but did it really happen????"I think he knew full well the hyponotist was leading them on,into a false recollection.that is done a lot w these ufo stories...the ufo research organizations LOVE it.it's a way of 'proving' their stories.
Also,notice that Charlie was WAYYY to defensive...WHY??? because he was LYING.being overly defensive is a BIG indication of a liar.it's not on the show,but he also later claimed some sort of visitation by aliens during the night at his house. (@@).also notice he aligned himself with a real event (the asteroid hitting Jupiter).This is commonly done when someone isn't being truthful.
Anyway,as I said,pls research and find the truth here...don't just believe what you see on tv,or whatever story is aired.we all know tv is all about money and ratings.and it isn't always a crime to lie.anyone can do it.yes,even honest-appearing ppl.you would be surprised.
I don't care to debate,these are just my thoughts,and you are free to think what you want of the story.
also...I'm pretty sure one of the twins was into alien phenomena before this story,and he built a house(or some sort of outbuilding) that was shaped like a UFO,claiming a 'visitation' inspired him.these men also sell their 'alien' artwork as well.
In short,I don't care how many yrs it had been sinced they claimed the story,I think it's all a flat-out HOAX and I think they used the camping trip as a story (yes I know from the pic they really went),got together on it later,visited a ufo researcher w an agenda to get attention...and got on UM.JMO.

and oh yes...don't forget the 'beam me up Scotty' method they said the aliens used to get them from the boat onto the 'spaceship'..UM basically completely glossed over this one w simply a drawing,BECAUSE they knew it would be so completely unbelievable.NICE GOING UM!

and oh...shouldn't that BOAT they said they got beamed out of,simply have floated away on the lake,while they were on the 'ship'???? funny how it ended up beside them on the shore,when they claimed they got back....

*my head hurts*

I challenge anyone to go back and rewatch this story,and pick it apart using true crime/methods of lying,if you want to see the truth on this one.

re: the boat,hmm..

Alien no. 1: hey,you know we beamed them outta their boat,gotta get that sucker back on shore with them..i know we abducted them for a while,but hey..they'll need their boat for the rest of their trip..we gotta be thoughtful of them...

Alien no. 2: where did it drift off to??? wait...i'll find it.. ::uses mass beam locator::

Alien no. 1: Ok now.i've beamed it back on shore w them...they'll never notice a thing now....except maybe us flying off.

(did you catch that?? the men saying the boat being back onshore with them was an excuse for them having it for the rest of the trip!)

WishfulDreamer · 02-09-2013, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I think they were on some good stuff that day.

It WAS the 70s...

In all honesty, I thought the men seemed extremely honest. And it's probably my favorite UFO segment (so creepy). And the part where they shine the light at the object and it comes toward them and then Charlie says "my curiosity was satisfied and I wanted to get away from it" as the music crescendos is classic chill factor. I don't really believe in little green men, but I think they definitely experienced something. And now I am going to have a hard time sleeping...

Blackout · 02-09-2013, 04:18 PM

if any of u are familiar with maine youll know that the allagash is COMPLETELY remote from civilization so if ur gonna abduct someone u might as well do it where there wont be witnesses

MegtheEgg86 · 02-09-2013, 11:08 PM

I don't dismiss the possibility of "intelligent" life outside earth. I don't at all dismiss the likelihood something did happen to those men out there that night. I don't know how I feel about putting them together, but it really isn't for me to feel. THEY certainly feel it happened; that's what matters.

RobinW · 02-10-2013, 01:56 AM

Yeah, at the very least, I think THEY genuinely believe what happened to them was real and they certainly don't across as people who are perpetuating a hoax. Their details about the experience during the hypnosis sessions are so similar that it would have taken an awful lot of trouble for all four of these guys to keep their phoney stories straight.

This is definitely my favourite UM UFO case and one of my favourite segments, period! I remember when I watched it on DVD for the time in years. When I first saw the cheesy special effects, I wondered why this segment scared me so much when I younger. However, once they got to the composite sketches of the aliens with the audio from the hypnosis sessions playing over them, I remembered EXACTLY why this story scared me so much!

BTW, on the DVD commentary over this segment, John Cosgrove said that Robert Stack was usually skeptical about most of the UFO stories, but even he seemed genuinely perturbed and shaken up by this case.

scc1222 · 02-10-2013, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackout805

if any of u are familiar with maine youll know that the allagash is COMPLETELY remote from civilization so if ur gonna abduct someone u might as well do it where there wont be witnesses

..and if you're gonna start a fire so big you risk burning down the whole forest,you might as well do it where there are no firemen to come to the rescue.jmo.

soilentgreen · 02-10-2013, 12:02 PM

It's possible that they did witness lights that they were unable to identify. It's hard to find a neutral source online, but in some of the accounts, when they left the park the following day, they asked a ranger about the lights, who said that they were searchlights. I don't think everyone who's claimed to have seen a ufo (whether it was man made technology or not) is lying or hallucinating.

What's problematic is the regressive hypnosis used on all of the men by someone who wasn't a mainstream mental health professional (he was a teacher and hypnotist) who also just happened to be involved in UFO research. Regressive hypnosis was used in recovered memory therapy (this is the same method utilized in claims of "recovered" or buried memories of ritual or sexual abuse and past lives). The practice is now cautioned against by many mental health associations, due to cases of false memory syndrome - practitioners creating or evoking false memories in individuals, in some cases resulting in strikingly similar narratives. I don't think that these guys are lying but the validity of the memories is highly questionable.

Blackout · 02-10-2013, 04:38 PM

another thing is only 3 of the 4 guys came out to the media about it

1 of them doesn't want to relive it

TheCars1986 · 02-11-2013, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by soilentgreen

It's possible that they did witness lights that they were unable to identify. It's hard to find a neutral source online, but in some of the accounts, when they left the park the following day, they asked a ranger about the lights, who said that they were searchlights. I don't think everyone who's claimed to have seen a ufo (whether it was man made technology or not) is lying or hallucinating.

What's problematic is the regressive hypnosis used on all of the men by someone who wasn't a mainstream mental health professional (he was a teacher and hypnotist) who also just happened to be involved in UFO research. Regressive hypnosis was used in recovered memory therapy (this is the same method utilized in claims of "recovered" or buried memories of ritual or sexual abuse and past lives). The practice is now cautioned against by many mental health associations, due to cases of false memory syndrome - practitioners creating or evoking false memories in individuals, in some cases resulting in strikingly similar narratives. I don't think that these guys are lying but the validity of the memories is highly questionable.

This is an excellent point. I don't believe the men are perpetuating a hoax, and I think they genuinely believe they were victims of an abduction. But if they did see search lights and confused them as a UFO, and then went to a "regressive hypnotist" who brought about false memories, I think you have the recipe for 4 guys truely believing they were abducted.

RobinW · 02-11-2013, 12:59 PM

Yes, that is a good point about the unreliability of the regressive hypnotist, but didn't these guys claim they were all having the exact same recurring dreams BEFORE they even went under hypnosis?

However, one thing I've never been clear on is if all four of the guys were having these dreams or if it was just the twin brothers? I know UM has done their own segments on the psychic bonds between twins, so I'm not sure if it's common for twins to have the exact same dreams at the same time. It would probably be less eerie if it was just them having the dreams and not their two friends.

TheCars1986 · 02-11-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RobinW

Yes, that is a good point about the unreliability of the regressive hypnotist, but didn't these guys claim they were all having the exact same recurring dreams BEFORE they even went under hypnosis?

However, one thing I've never been clear on is if all four of the guys were having these dreams or if it was just the twin brothers? I know UM has done their own segments on the psychic bonds between twins, so I'm not sure if it's common for twins to have the exact same dreams at the same time. It would probably be less eerie if it was just them having the dreams and not their two friends.

IIRC, the segment says just the brothers had the nightmares.

02-08-2013, 10:36 PM	#1
JannTosh Member Forum Regular Join Date: Feb 28, 2011 Location: Michigan Posts: 585	How do you feel about the Allagash abductions? just wondering what people though on this UFO episode

02-09-2013, 11:34 AM	#5
scc1222 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 02, 2011 Posts: 547	I don't care to debate,but these men were all artists,and they all had a reason to lie.And if you are familiar with true crime and the methods ppl use to lie,this story can easily be picked apart,starting with the HUGE bonfire they made,and then boated away from.You'd have to be mindless to build such a fire and stir up such a risk in the forest where no one else is around,and then get into a boat and basically paddle away from it. (oh yeah..and the night fishing,bc they werent catching anything in the daytime...an excuse for them all to be together in the boat at night). Not to mention,you mean to tell me that the UFO saw a tiny beam from a flashlight and FLEW twds it,yet failed to even so much as notice a HUGE bonfire....seriously???? Also,when this story was aired on the History channel..it's on the forbidden site,or at least it used to be...one of the twins changed his story...in true crime,it's a BIG BIG indication of a lie!! (I'm not calling them criminals,only if you use the same methods of lie detection,you can see they aren't being truthful).Suddenly,instead of ending up on the edge of the lake w a flashlight,he said the aliens were in the water,next to the boat,trying to postion them into it.WHOA. And one of the men so much as admitted it didn't happen...he said "but did it really happen????"I think he knew full well the hyponotist was leading them on,into a false recollection.that is done a lot w these ufo stories...the ufo research organizations LOVE it.it's a way of 'proving' their stories. Also,notice that Charlie was WAYYY to defensive...WHY??? because he was LYING.being overly defensive is a BIG indication of a liar.it's not on the show,but he also later claimed some sort of visitation by aliens during the night at his house. (@@).also notice he aligned himself with a real event (the asteroid hitting Jupiter).This is commonly done when someone isn't being truthful. Anyway,as I said,pls research and find the truth here...don't just believe what you see on tv,or whatever story is aired.we all know tv is all about money and ratings.and it isn't always a crime to lie.anyone can do it.yes,even honest-appearing ppl.you would be surprised. I don't care to debate,these are just my thoughts,and you are free to think what you want of the story. also...I'm pretty sure one of the twins was into alien phenomena before this story,and he built a house(or some sort of outbuilding) that was shaped like a UFO,claiming a 'visitation' inspired him.these men also sell their 'alien' artwork as well. In short,I don't care how many yrs it had been sinced they claimed the story,I think it's all a flat-out HOAX and I think they used the camping trip as a story (yes I know from the pic they really went),got together on it later,visited a ufo researcher w an agenda to get attention...and got on UM.JMO. and oh yes...don't forget the 'beam me up Scotty' method they said the aliens used to get them from the boat onto the 'spaceship'..UM basically completely glossed over this one w simply a drawing,BECAUSE they knew it would be so completely unbelievable.NICE GOING UM! and oh...shouldn't that BOAT they said they got beamed out of,simply have floated away on the lake,while they were on the 'ship'???? funny how it ended up beside them on the shore,when they claimed they got back.... my head hurts I challenge anyone to go back and rewatch this story,and pick it apart using true crime/methods of lying,if you want to see the truth on this one. re: the boat,hmm.. Alien no. 1: hey,you know we beamed them outta their boat,gotta get that sucker back on shore with them..i know we abducted them for a while,but hey..they'll need their boat for the rest of their trip..we gotta be thoughtful of them... Alien no. 2: where did it drift off to??? wait...i'll find it.. ::uses mass beam locator:: Alien no. 1: Ok now.i've beamed it back on shore w them...they'll never notice a thing now....except maybe us flying off. (did you catch that?? the men saying the boat being back onshore with them was an excuse for them having it for the rest of the trip!)
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02-09-2013, 04:18 PM	#7
Blackout Sart Bimpson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 13, 2003 Location: where the sun rises Posts: 2,235	if any of u are familiar with maine youll know that the allagash is COMPLETELY remote from civilization so if ur gonna abduct someone u might as well do it where there wont be witnesses
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02-09-2013, 11:08 PM	#8
MegtheEgg86 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Jun 19, 2008 Location: The Volunteer State Posts: 5,156	I don't dismiss the possibility of "intelligent" life outside earth. I don't at all dismiss the likelihood something did happen to those men out there that night. I don't know how I feel about putting them together, but it really isn't for me to feel. THEY certainly feel it happened; that's what matters.
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02-08-2013, 10:59 PM	#2
benoitbabe My My My Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 12, 2004 Location: Douglas,MA Posts: 120	Well, I don't think it's a hoax. Maine people are honest hard working people for the most part. I'm not sure what the heck happened to them,but I'm sure something did.

02-09-2013, 03:40 AM	#3
DarkDante Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 27, 2002 Posts: 1,569	Well for me it's quite possibly the creepiest story UM has ever profiled. The creepy part of it being that it all feels very real. In my opinion the men either suffered some type of mass hallucination brought on either by the elements or intoxication or they are telling the truth. As benoitbabe stated something happened to those men that night, whether or not you believe they were abducted by aliens or not.

02-09-2013, 10:42 AM	#4
TheCars1986 #VLSKMS Forum Fanatic Join Date: Nov 22, 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 8,606	I think they were on some good stuff that day.

02-10-2013, 01:56 AM	#9
RobinW Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2010 Posts: 1,874	Yeah, at the very least, I think THEY genuinely believe what happened to them was real and they certainly don't across as people who are perpetuating a hoax. Their details about the experience during the hypnosis sessions are so similar that it would have taken an awful lot of trouble for all four of these guys to keep their phoney stories straight. This is definitely my favourite UM UFO case and one of my favourite segments, period! I remember when I watched it on DVD for the time in years. When I first saw the cheesy special effects, I wondered why this segment scared me so much when I younger. However, once they got to the composite sketches of the aliens with the audio from the hypnosis sessions playing over them, I remembered EXACTLY why this story scared me so much! BTW, on the DVD commentary over this segment, John Cosgrove said that Robert Stack was usually skeptical about most of the UFO stories, but even he seemed genuinely perturbed and shaken up by this case.

02-10-2013, 12:02 PM	#11
soilentgreen Member Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 13, 2005 Posts: 622	It's possible that they did witness lights that they were unable to identify. It's hard to find a neutral source online, but in some of the accounts, when they left the park the following day, they asked a ranger about the lights, who said that they were searchlights. I don't think everyone who's claimed to have seen a ufo (whether it was man made technology or not) is lying or hallucinating. What's problematic is the regressive hypnosis used on all of the men by someone who wasn't a mainstream mental health professional (he was a teacher and hypnotist) who also just happened to be involved in UFO research. Regressive hypnosis was used in recovered memory therapy (this is the same method utilized in claims of "recovered" or buried memories of ritual or sexual abuse and past lives). The practice is now cautioned against by many mental health associations, due to cases of false memory syndrome - practitioners creating or evoking false memories in individuals, in some cases resulting in strikingly similar narratives. I don't think that these guys are lying but the validity of the memories is highly questionable.

02-10-2013, 04:38 PM	#12
Blackout Sart Bimpson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 13, 2003 Location: where the sun rises Posts: 2,235	another thing is only 3 of the 4 guys came out to the media about it 1 of them doesn't want to relive it

02-11-2013, 12:59 PM	#14
RobinW Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2010 Posts: 1,874	Yes, that is a good point about the unreliability of the regressive hypnotist, but didn't these guys claim they were all having the exact same recurring dreams BEFORE they even went under hypnosis? However, one thing I've never been clear on is if all four of the guys were having these dreams or if it was just the twin brothers? I know UM has done their own segments on the psychic bonds between twins, so I'm not sure if it's common for twins to have the exact same dreams at the same time. It would probably be less eerie if it was just them having the dreams and not their two friends.