People are Giving Up Their Citizenship.

[The Flying Dutchmans]

A long time neighbor and friend received a nice insurance settlement from his fathers death about a year ago, but recently picked up his family and left. He had always told me that when he got the money, he was giving up his American citizenship and moving to Australia. He said he was tired of the US and its politicians. He said he was sick of the U.S. Gov, walking all over our civil liberties. He found a sponsor in Wellington, and when he got his money, he forfeited his citizenship here and left with his family. I have been reading that allot of Americans are doing this now. I guess, although the United States was once the place to live, it isn't anymore. I am sure gonna miss him.

[Steve_uk]

Originally Posted by The Flying Dutchmans

A long time neighbor and friend received a nice insurance settlement from his fathers death about a year ago, but recently picked up his family and left. He had always told me that when he got the money, he was giving up his American citizenship and moving to Australia. He said he was tired of the US and its politicians. He said he was sick of the U.S. Gov, walking all over our civil liberties. He found a sponsor in Wellington, and when he got his money, he forfeited his citizenship here and left with his family. I have been reading that allot of Americans are doing this now. I guess, although the United States was once the place to live, it isn't anymore. I am sure gonna miss him.

I've looked at articles quoting the best countries to live and got several variations-however Australia does seem to fare well in the quality of life index.It all depends on what you're looking for and at what stage of life you're at-if you don't have children for example then the education system of the country you're moving to will not be a priority. It does seem strange that for hundreds of years Europeans have flocked to America,yet this doesn't appear as attractive a destination as it once was. For what it's worth there's an article here which gives a ranking list of the best places to live.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...1st-place.html

[Fleet]

Last I checked, the U.S. still accepts more immigrants than any other country.

[Steve_uk]

Originally Posted by Fleet

Last I checked, the U.S. still accepts more immigrants than any other country.

Well aren't you the third largest country in the world? I'd be interested to hear your take on the Russian ban on adoption by American couples. The wider issues have not been addressed such as overpopulation in countries such as India,Pakistan and Bangladesh,and the right of peoples to determine their own immigration policy through the means of law if they so wish.

[*ROGER*]

I want to go to Tahiti.

[tiredmike59]

I don't think I could adjust moving to another country, I would always feel like an intruder. I can imagine what the Indians thought when they were peeking thru the woods at the people getting off the Mayflower, " This doesn't look good,they brought their suitcases with them ".

[Fleet]

Originally Posted by Steve_uk

Well aren't you the third largest country in the world? I'd be interested to hear your take on the Russian ban on adoption by American couples. The wider issues have not been addressed such as overpopulation in countries such as India,Pakistan and Bangladesh,and the right of peoples to determine their own immigration policy through the means of law if they so wish.

Size and population are not a factor. If a country wasn't desirable, it would not have a lot of people immigrating to it. China is a big country with a much bigger population than the U.S.... how many people are immigrating to China?

[Regulus]

I want to know when the next Spaceship from Zala Kri lands on this Planet, I'd like to leave with them!

[Steve_uk]

Originally Posted by Fleet

Size and population are not a factor. If a country wasn't desirable, it would not have a lot of people immigrating to it. China is a big country with a much bigger population than the U.S.... how many people are immigrating to China?

Actually more people than you might think. The main thing immigrants have in common is that they want a better life materially-they are in effect economic migrants,and of course a country has to have the space to accommodate them in the first place.http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...an-immigration

[Janice]

I have my gripes about this country, but I'd never leave it. I think the USA is the best country in the world.

[Zoneboy]

Originally Posted by Regulus

I want to know when the next Spaceship from Zala Kri lands on this Planet, I'd like to leave with them!

[Coffeecup]

I don't think I have the energy to move. It is a big big step to move to another country.

[Fleet]

Originally Posted by Steve_uk

Actually more people than you might think. The main thing immigrants have in common is that they want a better life materially-they are in effect economic migrants,and of course a country has to have the space to accommodate them in the first place.http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...an-immigration

I agree; they want a better life. That is why so many immigrate to the U.S.

It's not just about the "space," though. China has a lot of space, too. And Russia.

[Steve_uk]

Originally Posted by Fleet

I agree; they want a better life. That is why so many immigrate to the U.S.

It's not just about the "space," though. China has a lot of space, too. And Russia.

You backtracked slightly on what you said,but there are huge issues involved with immigration which the West has not yet begun to think through. Is it fair to give the 12 million illegal immigrants in your country citizenship under the emotional blackmail pretext that parents brought their children into the country illegally,Americanizing them in the process for sure,but still jumping the queue ahead of those waiting to be processed through the legal channels?

An issue in Europe is the sheer scale of numbers of those from Asia and the former Soviet states,which presents a problem for the infrastructure of host
countries which as you allude to are much smaller than the United States.Jobs and accommodation are scarce and our health systems are finite. Many of the low skilled jobs are taken up by middle-class Poles,who admittedly do work hard but are leaving indigenous school leavers on the scrap heap. There's also the role of women in Asian societies to consider,and whether they would not be better off with smaller families,instead of outsourcing their offspring into countries whose population for the most part simply don't want further arrivals.

[spunkygirl]

I want to live in Europe or Australia but doubt I'd ever do it.