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Retro4Life · 07-24-2012, 07:29 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/US/james-holme...6#.UA8s7KC1nOE

By RUSSELL GOLDMAN (@GoldmanRussell) and DAN HARRIS (@danbharris)
July 24, 2012

Accused movie theater gunman James Holmes is spitting at jail officers so frequently that he is made to wear a face guard whenever he is moved from his cell, sources told ABC News.

Holmes' odd behavior was first seen by the public when he appeared in court Monday looking dazed, alternately bug-eyed and nodding with his eyes closing.

But ABC News has learned that his loopy court appearance was just one of several bizarre behaviors.

In the hours after his arrest Friday for the massacre at the Aurora, Colo., movie theater, Holmes stared at the wall in the Arapahoe Police Headquarters with his eyebrows twitching.

Holmes told police he was the fictitious Batman villain The Joker, and when cops put evidence bags over his hands to preserve traces of gunpowder residue, he pretended the bags were puppets, law enforcement sources told ABC News.

Since being held in the Arapahoe County Jail, Holmes has been spitting at the officers so much, they are forced to use a spit guard on Holmes when they have to move him.

The bizarre actions by the former Ph.D student accused of killing 12 people and wounding 58 is seen by some as signs of psychosis -- or that he's faking it.

His behavior in court Monday was particularly strange. Unshaven, with a shock of died orange hair, Holmes gave no indication he knew where he was.

His lawyer even had to nudge him to rise when the judge entered the courtroom. He said nothing during the proceedings, in which he was held without bond.

Some observers wondered if Holmes was on drugs or being medicated. Sources told ABC News he was not on drugs, leading to expert theories that he may have been in the grips of "psychotic episode," exhausted from stress or simply faking it.

"I think there are two possibilities going on here," Marissa Randazzo, former chief research psychologist for the U.S. Secret Service and an expert in mass shootings, told "Good Morning America" today.

"One is that he is in the middle of a psychotic episode which is quite possible. We see him distracted at multiple points, an almost sort of 'coming to' and trying to figure out where he is and process what's going on," she said.

"The other thing that we're seeing -- and we've seen some of this behavior in the past couple months -- might suggest mania. Meaning hyperactivity, hyper energy, been possibly up and not sleeping for days. What we might be seeing here is the post effects."

But Randazzo also said there was a third possibility. He might simply be faking it.

"It's possible," she said when asked if Holmes' behavior could be all an act. "It is possible. We'll leave that open," she said, adding that most people who lie about that sort of behavior are sociopaths and "What we've heard about his history does not suggest sociopath at all."

"Let's keep that in mind that he was studying neuroscience. He was studying exactly the type of brain issues that we're going to be talking about throughout this whole case," she said.

Mr. Television · 07-24-2012, 07:39 PM

I wouldn't doubt he's faking it. He is supposedly a very intelligent man. He probably had it all planned. He knew that he didn't want to die. That's why he dressed up in body armor and surrendered to the cops as soon as they approached him.

Retro4Life · 07-24-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Stuck In The '70's

I wouldn't doubt he's faking it. He is supposedly a very intelligent man. He probably had it all planned. He knew that he didn't want to die. That's why he dressed up in body armor and surrendered to the cops as soon as they approached him.

I had that thought, too. It's almost as if he's behaving TOO bizarrely to be not faking it.

I know there's no point in trying to figure him out, but you have to wonder what the hell he had to gain from all of it. Nothing in his background screams that he loved publicity, nor does anything indicate cruelty or evil acts of any kind. He just decided at some point to kill as many people as he could...out of what, boredom?

It's just beyond me.

Mr. Television · 07-24-2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Retro4Life

I had that thought, too. It's almost as if he's behaving TOO bizarrely to be not faking it.

I know there's no point in trying to figure him out, but you have to wonder what the hell he had to gain from all of it. Nothing in his background screams that he loved publicity, nor does anything indicate cruelty or evil acts of any kind. He just decided at some point to kill as many people as he could...out of what, boredom?

It's just beyond me.

Yea I don't get it. I even saw where he was a camp counselor back in California. Usually you get a hint of the motive by now but I don't get it.

robyrob · 07-24-2012, 11:21 PM

he's obviously faking it - if he was psychotic or living in some fantasy world he wouldn't have gone to such an extent to protect himself; the truly insane aren't very concerned with self-preservation. The length of time he spent preparing for this also points more to a calculating cold-blooded killer than some one that is delusional, he certainly went out of his way to hide any such craziness from his family and those that worked or lived near him.

OH Nuts! · 07-24-2012, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by robyrob

he's obviously faking it - if he was psychotic or living in some fantasy world he wouldn't have gone to such an extent to protect himself; the truly insane aren't very concerned with self-preservation. The length of time he spent preparing for this also points more to a calculating cold-blooded killer than some one that is delusional, he certainly went out of his way to hide any such craziness from his family and those that worked or lived near him.

All of its possible - your suggestion is certainly credible - in any event, he'll be lucky if he doesn't get killed in jail.

RoryGilmore · 07-25-2012, 12:08 PM

As much as it is against all my morals and ethics to say this but I too believe he must be faking it. His behavior is beyond any diagnosis that I know.

AKA · 07-25-2012, 11:14 PM

From the ABC affiliate in Denver: Sources: Holmes 'Spitting In Jail' Reports False.

07-24-2012, 07:29 PM	#1
Retro4Life Accept No Substitutes Forum Veteran Join Date: Feb 04, 2009 Location: IL Posts: 6,708	James Holmes Spitting At Correction Officers, Forcing Use of Spit Guard http://abcnews.go.com/US/james-holme...6#.UA8s7KC1nOE By RUSSELL GOLDMAN (@GoldmanRussell) and DAN HARRIS (@danbharris) July 24, 2012 Accused movie theater gunman James Holmes is spitting at jail officers so frequently that he is made to wear a face guard whenever he is moved from his cell, sources told ABC News. Holmes' odd behavior was first seen by the public when he appeared in court Monday looking dazed, alternately bug-eyed and nodding with his eyes closing. But ABC News has learned that his loopy court appearance was just one of several bizarre behaviors. In the hours after his arrest Friday for the massacre at the Aurora, Colo., movie theater, Holmes stared at the wall in the Arapahoe Police Headquarters with his eyebrows twitching. Holmes told police he was the fictitious Batman villain The Joker, and when cops put evidence bags over his hands to preserve traces of gunpowder residue, he pretended the bags were puppets, law enforcement sources told ABC News. Since being held in the Arapahoe County Jail, Holmes has been spitting at the officers so much, they are forced to use a spit guard on Holmes when they have to move him. The bizarre actions by the former Ph.D student accused of killing 12 people and wounding 58 is seen by some as signs of psychosis -- or that he's faking it. His behavior in court Monday was particularly strange. Unshaven, with a shock of died orange hair, Holmes gave no indication he knew where he was. His lawyer even had to nudge him to rise when the judge entered the courtroom. He said nothing during the proceedings, in which he was held without bond. Some observers wondered if Holmes was on drugs or being medicated. Sources told ABC News he was not on drugs, leading to expert theories that he may have been in the grips of "psychotic episode," exhausted from stress or simply faking it. "I think there are two possibilities going on here," Marissa Randazzo, former chief research psychologist for the U.S. Secret Service and an expert in mass shootings, told "Good Morning America" today. "One is that he is in the middle of a psychotic episode which is quite possible. We see him distracted at multiple points, an almost sort of 'coming to' and trying to figure out where he is and process what's going on," she said. "The other thing that we're seeing -- and we've seen some of this behavior in the past couple months -- might suggest mania. Meaning hyperactivity, hyper energy, been possibly up and not sleeping for days. What we might be seeing here is the post effects." But Randazzo also said there was a third possibility. He might simply be faking it. "It's possible," she said when asked if Holmes' behavior could be all an act. "It is possible. We'll leave that open," she said, adding that most people who lie about that sort of behavior are sociopaths and "What we've heard about his history does not suggest sociopath at all." "Let's keep that in mind that he was studying neuroscience. He was studying exactly the type of brain issues that we're going to be talking about throughout this whole case," she said.
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07-24-2012, 07:39 PM	#2
Mr. Television 23 Years at Sitcoms Online Forum Icon Join Date: Jun 06, 2003 Location: Somewhere you're Not Posts: 62,132	I wouldn't doubt he's faking it. He is supposedly a very intelligent man. He probably had it all planned. He knew that he didn't want to die. That's why he dressed up in body armor and surrendered to the cops as soon as they approached him.
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robyrob certified wackball#3 Moderator Forum Icon Join Date: Aug 03, 2003 Location: hiding under the third booth at Arnold's Posts: 58,203	he's obviously faking it - if he was psychotic or living in some fantasy world he wouldn't have gone to such an extent to protect himself; the truly insane aren't very concerned with self-preservation. The length of time he spent preparing for this also points more to a calculating cold-blooded killer than some one that is delusional, he certainly went out of his way to hide any such craziness from his family and those that worked or lived near him.
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RoryGilmore Always and Forever Forum Veteran Join Date: Oct 30, 2004 Location: Wherever he is, that's where I'll be Posts: 6,528	As much as it is against all my morals and ethics to say this but I too believe he must be faking it. His behavior is beyond any diagnosis that I know.
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07-25-2012, 11:14 PM	#8
AKA Member Forum Star Join Date: Dec 17, 2001 Posts: 15,746	From the ABC affiliate in Denver: Sources: Holmes 'Spitting In Jail' Reports False.