Hard Beaver Trivia-Anyone Know These Questions?

[Jack1000]

What are the two episodes where Beaver tries on after-shave lotion to impress girls? I'm thinking of one where he over does it and he not only puts it on his face but also his arms using tons of it?

Even harder Trivia-Wally, Ward, or June, says a classic line when Beaver comes down to breakfast, but I can't remember what it is!

It's not "Beaver the Sheepdog", because that's just where Beaver plaster down his hair with hair spray and other stuff as well. I remember when Ward tries to tell everyone not to laugh, because of Beaver being self-conscience about his hair. A girl calls him a "Sheepdog." Wally loses control and burst out laughing when he sees Beaver's "Hair Spray." Poor Beaver!

Jack

[Hughsgirl]

Originally Posted by Jack1000

What are the two episodes where Beaver tries on after-shave lotion to impress girls? I'm thinking of one where he over does it and he not only puts it on his face but also his arms using tons of it?

Even harder Trivia-Wally, Ward, or June, says a classic line when Beaver comes down to breakfast, but I can't remember what it is!

It's not "Beaver the Sheepdog", because that's just where Beaver plaster down his hair with hair spray and other stuff as well. I remember when Ward tries to tell everyone not to laugh, because of Beaver being self-conscience about his hair. A girl calls him a "Sheepdog." Wally loses control and burst out laughing when he sees Beaver's "Hair Spray." Poor Beaver!

Jack

The one where he overdoes the after shave was Brother verses Brother and has the hots for Mary Tyler. I think the other one is where he has a double date with Wally and his girl. I can't recall the names right now. As for the classic line, I think Ward said, "I believe love has come to Beaver Cleaver."

[White Rabbit]

I just saw the other one with the after-shave a couple of weeks back: "Beaver Sees America." As much as he wants to go on a cross-country trip Ward has arranged for him for 6 weeks during the summer, Beaver doesn't want to leave new love interest Mary Margaret (Matthews? - not sure of the last name) to fall prey to the charms (or perhaps lack thereof ) of Gilbert. He puts the after-shave on before going to her house to tell her about the trip - and Gilbert stops by, making Beaver think twice about the trip. In the end both boys (or should I say "Teddy" and "Gilly" as Mary Margaret calls them) go on the trip while she romances Whitey!!! Not a very choosy girl. In fact, at one point, Wally calls her "an operator"!! True.

[Jack1000]

Originally Posted by White Rabbit

I just saw the other one with the after-shave a couple of weeks back: "Beaver Sees America." As much as he wants to go on a cross-country trip Ward has arranged for him for 6 weeks during the summer, Beaver doesn't want to leave new love interest Mary Margaret (Matthews? - not sure of the last name) to fall prey to the charms (or perhaps lack thereof ) of Gilbert. He puts the after-shave on before going to her house to tell her about the trip - and Gilbert stops by, making Beaver think twice about the trip. In the end both boys (or should I say "Teddy" and "Gilly" as Mary Margaret calls them) go on the trip while she romances Whitey!!! Not a very choosy girl. In fact, at one point, Wally calls her "an operator"!! True.

Thanks! I had a feeling it was "Beaver Sees America." TV Land cut that scene out, but I have all the DVD's!

Jack

[stevea]

I think there is an edit in "Beaver The Sheepdog" where Gilbert talks about one of the girls and her "Jackie Kennedy wig." That must have been cut out of the negatives, because it hasn't appeared anywhere again, to my knowledge.

[MickeyMac]

Gilbert made the Jackie Kennedy wig comment in the episode where Beaver was on the Teen Forum TV show.

[stevea]

Originally Posted by MickeyMac

Gilbert made the Jackie Kennedy wig comment in the episode where Beaver was on the Teen Forum TV show.

Anyone know if this made it onto shout's DVD? (This should be another thread--scenes/edits missing from Shout's DVDs).

[MickeyMac]

Originally Posted by stevea

Anyone know if this made it onto shout's DVD? (This should be another thread--scenes/edits missing from Shout's DVDs).

Its on the DVD.

[stevea]

Originally Posted by MickeyMac

Its on the DVD.

Yeah I watched the episode yesterday. I'm amazed they found that 'hunk' of dialog--I think it's been 'lost' for a long time. Check this one out though: in the ooh ohh la la blouse (June's birthday) episode from season 3, there has been a longtime cut, where Miss Landers is explaining to the class that they are going over to Mrs. So and So's house, so they can sing for the mothers. Most of that dialog was cut out so there is no explanation for the trip. Check that out--it is missing from the Shout DVD. I'm amazed the episode still clocks at over 25 minutes, but it could be only a 10 or 15 second cut. This is really a great episode, by the way...imho...it has one of the few great scenes between Jerry and Barbara.

[Jack1000]

Originally Posted by stevea

Yeah I watched the episode yesterday. I'm amazed they found that 'hunk' of dialog--I think it's been 'lost' for a long time. Check this one out though: in the ooh ohh la la blouse (June's birthday) episode from season 3, there has been a longtime cut, where Miss Landers is explaining to the class that they are going over to Mrs. So and So's house, so they can sing for the mothers. Most of that dialog was cut out so there is no explanation for the trip. Check that out--it is missing from the Shout DVD. I'm amazed the episode still clocks at over 25 minutes, but it could be only a 10 or 15 second cut. This is really a great episode, by the way...imho...it has one of the few great scenes between Jerry and Barbara.

I love the scene with Jerry and Barbara in "June's Birthday." HATE the Old McDonald Song (twice!!!!) in that episode! UGGHHH! The producers should have found a better song for 5th graders!

Stevea, that's interesting about the cut dialog that you claim. How do you remember this? Do you have an old 16mm back up print, in which that missing dialog is included? Shout Factory/Universal claim the disks are uncut, but as you know, some episodes are a little too short for a late 50's-60's sitcom. As to what may be missing, we may never know. I'm told "Wally's Sweater" runs short and so does "Long Distance Call." I have no knowledge of anything cut, but they run, if memory serves correct at about 25 mins. It would SEEM that uncut LITB episodes would be anywhere from 25:30 to 26 minutes. What are your thoughts? Could some scenes have been snipped post-production?

Jack

[1960'sTVfan]

I've been skeptical all along that some LITB DVD episodes have little snippets cut, the running times of some episodes just don't jive, the 3rd season is especially guilty, some episodes clock in barely over 25 minutes and the shortest ones clock in a little under 25 minutes. That's unfortunate but I guess we just have to accept it, I think these episodes are as complete as they're going to get.

In the School Sweater episode, there's that scene mid episode where Wally walks in and tells Ward and June he and Beaver are going to try and catch the gopher in the yard. There is no mention of a gopher previously in the episode, so right there is an error and alerted me that some dialog was cut from this episode.

[stevea]

Originally Posted by Jack1000

I love the scene with Jerry and Barbara in "June's Birthday." HATE the Old McDonald Song (twice!!!!) in that episode! UGGHHH! The producers should have found a better song for 5th graders!

Stevea, that's interesting about the cut dialog that you claim. How do you remember this? Do you have an old 16mm back up print, in which that missing dialog is included? Shout Factory/Universal claim the disks are uncut, but as you know, some episodes are a little too short for a late 50's-60's sitcom. As to what may be missing, we may never know. I'm told "Wally's Sweater" runs short and so does "Long Distance Call." I have no knowledge of anything cut, but they run, if memory serves correct at about 25 mins. It would SEEM that uncut LITB episodes would be anywhere from 25:30 to 26 minutes. What are your thoughts? Could some scenes have been snipped post-production?

Jack

I remember the scene, probably from seeing it on local tv. i think the edit started with the tv land copies. if you watch the episode carefully right around there, there isn't any explanation, she probably says something like, we're going now (I haven't looked at it lately). i wish i had a script to compare. jerry remembers it all so well (based onhis book), he'd probably know. I was interested when antenna started running the series--same edit.

[MickeyMac]

In the last season in the episode where Wally has the party and Beaver wrecks it, on the DVD there is a part where Ward and June are listening upstairs where Wally and his friends are dancing but the music keeps cutting on and off (Beaver put a trick gadget in the plug), June respnds "how can anybody dance like that?". Ward replies "its a new dance, the hesitation twist". That scene has been cut whenever it plays on TV. I had forgotten about that until I got the set.

[Jack1000]

Originally Posted by stevea

I remember the scene, probably from seeing it on local tv. i think the edit started with the tv land copies. if you watch the episode carefully right around there, there isn't any explanation, she probably says something like, we're going now (I haven't looked at it lately). i wish i had a script to compare. jerry remembers it all so well (based onhis book), he'd probably know. I was interested when antenna started running the series--same edit.

All things considered though, the DVD transfers are as "uncut" as we are ever gonna get, and you are still seeing about 3-5 minutes of scenes and dialog that you can't see anyplace else, as well as clarity that was not even seen during the 1957-1963 original run.

Some studios had 16mm back up prints, which they had to use in case the original negatives got damaged, you see this very clearly in some DVR restorations of The Brady Bunch. Universal/Shout took those prints from the master negatives, but there is a possibility that the producers may have snipped a few seconds off here and there when LITB first went into syndication. If Universal and Shout, know that all they have are the original prints, which may have been snipped and no back up copies in the vaults. that's not their fault. They did the best restoration with the material they had at the time.

I am going to try to talk to someone who may know more about the restoration process and WHY those third season episodes, several are just 25 minutes long in some cases. A few episodes are about 30 seconds too short! But many are the normal time frame.

Jack

[1960'sTVfan]

Originally Posted by Jack1000

All things considered though, the DVD transfers are as "uncut" as we are ever gonna get, and you are still seeing about 3-5 minutes of scenes and dialog that you can't see anyplace else, as well as clarity that was not even seen during the 1957-1963 original run.

Some studios had 16mm back up prints, which they had to use in case the original negatives got damaged, you see this very clearly in some DVR restorations of The Brady Bunch. Universal/Shout took those prints from the master negatives, but there is a possibility that the producers may have snipped a few seconds off here and there when LITB first went into syndication. If Universal and Shout, know that all they have are the original prints, which may have been snipped and no back up copies in the vaults. that's not their fault. They did the best restoration with the material they had at the time.

I am going to try to talk to someone who may know more about the restoration process and WHY those third season episodes, several are just 25 minutes long in some cases. A few episodes are about 30 seconds too short! But many are the normal time frame.

Jack

The 3rd season has the most variance in episode run times. The shortest ones run about 24:55 and the longest ones run about 25:55. I would say it's possible at least some of the shorter episodes are missing brief snippets here and there, probably difficult to detect unless you're watching real close. I suspect there might be an edit in the School Sweater episode.

I viewed the Long Distance Call episode on the DVD and I did not see anything obvious where something might be cut, so I think it's the complete episode. The 5th season is interesting in the fact that the episodes themselves not including the closing credits run between 24:30 and 25:00. The shorter episodes utilize a longer closing credit sequence and the longer episodes utilize a shorter closing credit sequence, to result in a total run time of 25:30. Long Distance Call however, is an exception. Although the episode proper runs 24:30, the shorter closing credit sequence was used, causing the episode to run 25:00 instead of the normal 25:30.