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TVFactFan · 06-02-2012, 02:50 AM

who the hell is that woman? That's Not Roxie Roker

Brian Damage · 06-02-2012, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TVFactFan

who the hell is that woman? That's Not Roxie Roker

Guest star maybe??? Where is that pic from Sol?

BigManMike · 06-02-2012, 04:18 PM

That was from the Jeffersons pilot that aired as an All in the Family episode. That woman is Madge Sinclair. She played Helen in the pilot but then Roxie Roker played her in the actual show. I don't know why that was done.

TVFactFan · 06-02-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Damage

Guest star maybe??? Where is that pic from Sol?

I should have said "mystery pilot" because that episode is "The Jeffersons Move Up but that is not the real Helen.

The pic is from tv.com

TVFactFan · 06-02-2012, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thebigcookie

That was from the Jeffersons pilot that aired as an All in the Family episode. That woman is Madge Sinclair. She played Helen in the pilot but then Roxie Roker played her in the actual show. I don't know why that was done.

Now I;m confused because I did remember seeing Made Sinclair in the closing credits of All in the Family. So there are two versions of the Jeffersons Pilot?

One with Madge and one with Roxie???

yayaya · 06-07-2012, 08:01 PM

The pilot episode of The Jeffersons appears in the fifth season of All in the Family, in episode #102, "The Jeffersons Move Up", aired January 11, 1975. The "second" pilot episode of the series, "A Friend in Need" was taped on December 13, 1974 and aired on January 18, 1975.

Also, an actress named Kim Hamilton played Helen during All In the Family episode "Lionel's Engagement":
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0358001/

Ms. Hamilton appeared later on in The Jeffersons playing a character named Pauline ("My Maid...My Wife" 1983).

Ms. Hamilton (according to IMDB) also played Betty on Good Times in the episode, "Florida's Rich Cousin".

Here is a youtube clip of Ms. Hamilton, the original Mr. Willis (played by another actor) and the original Jenny (played by someone else)...go to the 4:00 mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjhzhK2zryg

Roxie Roker played Helen on the "Movin' On Up" episode on All In the Family, while Ms. Hamilton played Helen in the earlier episode "Lionel's Engagement".

I don't see credits for Madge Sinclair playing Helen on AITF.

USATVFAN · 06-07-2012, 08:31 PM

That could be Helen. there is a Episode from season 1 where Helen has her in a bun kind of look like that.

That episode us Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...M9MdItI#t=159s

Helen has that hairstyle in the Pilot(First episode of jeffersons) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCi9MNS5y1A

P..S: I kind of remember seeing that scene for reason. I am going to dig back trough season 1 Episodes

TVFactFan · 06-07-2012, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by yayaya

The pilot episode of The Jeffersons appears in the fifth season of All in the Family, in episode #102, "The Jeffersons Move Up", aired January 11, 1975. The "second" pilot episode of the series, "A Friend in Need" was taped on December 13, 1974 and aired on January 18, 1975.

Also, an actress named Kim Hamilton played Helen during All In the Family episode "Lionel's Engagement":
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0358001/

Ms. Hamilton appeared later on in The Jeffersons playing a character named Pauline ("My Maid...My Wife" 1983).

Ms. Hamilton (according to IMDB) also played Betty on Good Times in the episode, "Florida's Rich Cousin".

Here is a youtube clip of Ms. Hamilton, the original Mr. Willis (played by another actor) and the original Jenny (played by someone else)...go to the 4:00 mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjhzhK2zryg

Roxie Roker played Helen on the "Movin' On Up" episode on All In the Family, while Ms. Hamilton played Helen in the earlier episode "Lionel's Engagement".

I don't see credits for Madge Sinclair playing Helen on AITF.

We already know all of that. My question was about Madge Sinclair. I seen the pilot on AITF and on the Jeffersons so it wasn't no need to post the youtube clip. If you was going to post a youtube clip it should have included Madge Sinclair

TVFactFan · 06-07-2012, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by USATVFAN

That could be Helen. there is a Episode from season 1 where Helen has her in a bun kind of look like that.

That episode us Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...M9MdItI#t=159s

Helen has that hairstyle in the Pilot(First episode of jeffersons) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCi9MNS5y1A

P..S: I kind of remember seeing that scene for reason. I am going to dig back trough season 1 Episodes

Roxie Roker did not have her hair in a BUN on the pilot. That picture I posted was from the pilot not the 1st ep of the Jeffersons

yayaya · 06-08-2012, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TVFactFan

We already know all of that. My question was about Madge Sinclair. I seen the pilot on AITF and on the Jeffersons so it wasn't no need to post the youtube clip. If you was going to post a youtube clip it should have included Madge Sinclair

Excuse me, I didn't realize it would bother you so much or that it was wrong for me to post that info. You didn't ask for any youtube clip featuring Madge Sinclair. I just posted that clip for the benefit of those who were interested.

Why not just bump up this thread?
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...d.php?t=288668

TVFactFan · 06-08-2012, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by yayaya

Excuse me. I didn't realize it would bother you so much.

Why not just bump up this thread?
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...d.php?t=288668

That was almost a year ago and I don't remember every single thread I started since august of 2011.

yayaya · 06-08-2012, 01:22 AM

Fair enough.

As for the Helen Willis character, Madge Sinclair doesn't seem to be credited in her IMDB for that role, although IMDB is not always accurate. Roxie Roker IS credited for that pilot on AITF in her IMDB resume. I watched AITF once during its original run, so I cannot remember who I saw playing Helen nor can I recall the closing credits. TV.com has noted on one of their pages that Madge Sinclair was credited on the closing credits BUT Roxie was actually playing Helen. Is it possible that was in error? Was there one pilot taped with Madge, but she was let go and they brought in Roxie, but then mixed up the credits?

TVFactFan · 06-08-2012, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by yayaya

Fair enough.

As for the Helen Willis character, Madge Sinclair doesn't seem to be credited in her IMDB for that role, although IMDB is not always accurate. Roxie Roker IS credited for that pilot on AITF in her IMDB resume. I watched AITF once during its original run, so I cannot remember who I saw playing Helen nor can I recall the closing credits. TV.com has noted on one of their pages that Madge Sinclair was credited on the closing credits BUT Roxie was actually playing Helen. Is it possible that was in error? Was there one pilot taped with Madge, but she was let go and they brought in Roxie, but then mixed up the credits?

Yeah that was the confusing thing because I remember seeing Made Sinclair's name in the closing credits of All in the family too.

yayaya · 06-08-2012, 01:48 AM

Okay, so you read Madge's name in the credits? Was she in the episode? Did you recognize her then or did you find out later it was Madge? I am confused.

TVFactFan · 06-08-2012, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by yayaya

Okay, so you read Madge's name in the credits? Was she in the episode? Did you recognize her then or did you find out later it was Madge? I am confused.

No when I watch the pilot on AITF I always wondered who was Madge Sinclair as Helen Willis because I never saw her but I now know what she looks like. Before I never knew why someone was credited for Helen Willis when it was Roxie Roker who played the part in the pilot

06-07-2012, 08:01 PM	#6
yayaya Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 20, 2011 Posts: 258	The pilot episode of The Jeffersons appears in the fifth season of All in the Family, in episode #102, "The Jeffersons Move Up", aired January 11, 1975. The "second" pilot episode of the series, "A Friend in Need" was taped on December 13, 1974 and aired on January 18, 1975. Also, an actress named Kim Hamilton played Helen during All In the Family episode "Lionel's Engagement": http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0358001/ Ms. Hamilton appeared later on in The Jeffersons playing a character named Pauline ("My Maid...My Wife" 1983). Ms. Hamilton (according to IMDB) also played Betty on Good Times in the episode, "Florida's Rich Cousin". Here is a youtube clip of Ms. Hamilton, the original Mr. Willis (played by another actor) and the original Jenny (played by someone else)...go to the 4:00 mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjhzhK2zryg Roxie Roker played Helen on the "Movin' On Up" episode on All In the Family, while Ms. Hamilton played Helen in the earlier episode "Lionel's Engagement". I don't see credits for Madge Sinclair playing Helen on AITF.
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06-07-2012, 08:31 PM	#7
USATVFAN Member Senior Member Join Date: Jan 31, 2007 Location: Kalispell, USA Posts: 1,742	That could be Helen. there is a Episode from season 1 where Helen has her in a bun kind of look like that. That episode us Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...M9MdItI#t=159s Helen has that hairstyle in the Pilot(First episode of jeffersons) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCi9MNS5y1A P..S: I kind of remember seeing that scene for reason. I am going to dig back trough season 1 Episodes
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06-02-2012, 04:18 PM	#3
BigManMike Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: May 25, 2006 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 3,021	That was from the Jeffersons pilot that aired as an All in the Family episode. That woman is Madge Sinclair. She played Helen in the pilot but then Roxie Roker played her in the actual show. I don't know why that was done.

06-08-2012, 01:22 AM	#12
yayaya Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 20, 2011 Posts: 258	Fair enough. As for the Helen Willis character, Madge Sinclair doesn't seem to be credited in her IMDB for that role, although IMDB is not always accurate. Roxie Roker IS credited for that pilot on AITF in her IMDB resume. I watched AITF once during its original run, so I cannot remember who I saw playing Helen nor can I recall the closing credits. TV.com has noted on one of their pages that Madge Sinclair was credited on the closing credits BUT Roxie was actually playing Helen. Is it possible that was in error? Was there one pilot taped with Madge, but she was let go and they brought in Roxie, but then mixed up the credits?

06-08-2012, 01:48 AM	#14
yayaya Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 20, 2011 Posts: 258	Okay, so you read Madge's name in the credits? Was she in the episode? Did you recognize her then or did you find out later it was Madge? I am confused.