Do you all every think of the families?

[Victoria81]

I mean, for example, Dennis DuPue's children? Their mother was murder on Easter. So this pass holiday I briefly thought about how this holiday will never be the same for them.

The 2 teenagers that were murder during their vacation on Thanksgiving. I always wonder about the families involved.

Maybe I'm weird :O haha

[Hambone2421]

Originally Posted by Victoria81

I mean, for example, Dennis DuPue's children? Their mother was murder on Easter. So this pass holiday I briefly thought about how this holiday will never be the same for them.

The 2 teenagers that were murder during their vacation on Thanksgiving. I always wonder about the families involved.

Maybe I'm weird :O haha

You're not alone. My cousin's birthday is the day Oba Chandler killed the Rogers women, so I always think about them.

[Clockworkhigh]

No I do for sure. Ayleen Conway had 7 children and for sure a ton of grandchildren by now. Maybe Pat is still kicking around but he'd be 80 by now considering they were married in 1953. Those kids just might get driven up the wall wondering what happened to their mom considering all the scenarios we've gone over.

The mother and two girls who got murdered by Oba Chandler. Just awful. I think about the husband for sure. Think about it, your family goes to Orlando for a vacation and you can't go. They do all the fun things like the parks at Disney World such as Magic Kingdom and Epcot (according to the segment). No matter what you will always associate the happiest place on earth with one of the final destinations of your family.

Rob Shafer. As far as I know he has his own family now. But that moment in his life with Angela will likely never go away. He lost his fiance and his unborn child who would be about 20-21 years old now. Even with a family you'd have to have a "what if" scenario with this, if only you'd have carefully put on the brakes and turned around safely..........

Larry Gibson, mostly thought to be guilty unanimously. I just wonder how in the world his relationship really is with his daugther whose testimony put him in jail. He personally responded to me saying its okay and such, but how could it be? You are either telling the truth that you saw your dad kill your brother or you either got brainwashed by your mom and lied about witnessing your dad kill your brother and are wretched with extreme guilt. Either way, your little brother is still missing. The "daddy issues" Larry's daughter must have would be through the roof I think.

Chad Noe's son. What does he really think? No doubt he would be in his early 20s by now. But a part of him has to wonder if his dad really orchestrated the murder of his mom, step aunt, and half sister. His opinion would be skewed, but he's old enough to piece things together himself. That segment alone would scream guilty to me, and who knows, a part of him might subconciously remember the last time he saw his mom. Honestly, through hypnosis the kid could be a key witness.

And while we're at it with that same case, Leon Camp. Jonathan wasn't his son. He lost his wife, sister and step daughter all in one day. I mean, did he ever remarry? Does he have anymore family? Even parents? Does he have any right to see Jonathan today? Or does Jonathan even know him anymore? Poor guy, I always think.

[DarkDante]

Originally Posted by Victoria81

I mean, for example, Dennis DuPue's children? Their mother was murder on Easter. So this pass holiday I briefly thought about how this holiday will never be the same for them.

Maybe I'm weird :O haha

Nah you're not weird and I'm actually glad you brought this up because I do think of the DePue family quite a bit. Without excusing the actions of Dennis, I think it's extremely easy for us to really vilify him as a monster who was dispatched to his fate via a violent confrontation with police while he was on the run as a fugitive.

Now obviously Dennis himself via his own actions put himself in that situation however there are a few cases that have been profiled on UM and this is one of them where I'm left thinking "how did it ever come to this"?

If you really want to breakdown the DePue segment what you are essentially talking about is the dissolution of a family. Now obviously most of this was brought on by the will of Dennis DePue himself but what is interesting about this case is you are given the impression that Dennis' life didn't take a turn for the worse until he and his wife went through their divorce, something that countless couples end up going through.

It's quite obvious that in watching the segment that Dennis had an extremely negative reaction to the divorce one that inevitably drove him to the actions that lead ultimately to both his and his wife's deaths.

Sometimes in watching that segment, I wonder if Dennis had just gotten some help before things spiraled out of control or possibly if he just had more support around him during his time of travail, maybe everything could have been avoided.

Yeah I think about Dennis and Marilyn's kids each time I watch that segment. Just really sad.

[Clockworkhigh]

Originally Posted by DarkDante

Nah you're not weird and I'm actually glad you brought this up because I do think of the DePue family quite a bit. Without excusing the actions of Dennis, I think it's extremely easy for us to really vilify him as a monster who was dispatched to his fate via a violent confrontation with police while he was on the run as a fugitive.

Now obviously Dennis himself via his own actions put himself in that situation however there are a few cases that have been profiled on UM and this is one of them where I'm left thinking "how did it ever come to this"?

If you really want to breakdown the DePue segment what you are essentially talking about is the dissolution of a family. Now obviously most of this was brought on by the will of Dennis DePue himself but what is interesting about this case is you are given the impression that Dennis' life didn't take a turn for the worse until he and his wife went through their divorce, something that countless couples end up going through.

It's quite obvious that in watching the segment that Dennis had an extremely negative reaction to the divorce one that inevitably drove him to the actions that lead ultimately to both his and his wife's deaths.

Sometimes in watching that segment, I wonder if Dennis had just gotten some help before things spiraled out of control or possibly if he just had more support around him during his time of travail, maybe everything could have been avoided.

Yeah I think about Dennis and Marilyn's kids each time I watch that segment. Just really sad.

There are a million cases where a Dennis Depue incident could have happened. In the re-enactment he slugs his ex-wife while he is saying "you're turning them against me." Meaning the kids. Now, Marilyn didn't deserve to be pushed down the stairs and ultimately killed, but you are right about something, how did it come to this? I assume the couple were married at least 20 years if they had teenagers. Even if the marriage got dissolved you'd think that somewhere in those 20 years there were enough happy memories to remain cordial. Maybe Marilyn really was turning the kids against him. Who knows? That was just a case where it could have turned out alright had there been a few tweaks I'm sure, and it is also a case where I am sure someone you know is just inches away from being in the same position. Divorce is not for the faint of heart.

My question here, how in the world did Dennis actually move in with another woman and she was totally oblivious to who he was. I am not saying she had to know who he was as a fugitive, but more or less you would think before you move in with someone you at least meet their family and know their history.

[UMFaninMD]

I think I remember seeing on the Wendy Camp thread that her sister posted Leon did remarry.

[1990 UM fan]

I think about Amy Bradley's family alot. They have spent so much time and money the past 14 years trying to find her. I feel for them.

[dynoguy88]

You have sympathy and empathy for people who lost a family member in an extremely tragic way. That doesn't make you weird. It makes you a good person.

As for the DePue children, Jennifer is now 40, Julie is 38 and Scott is 33.

Geni.com says Jennifer and Scott live in Sarasota, Florida and Julie still lives in Coldwater.

Scott has current photo on his profile:

http://www.geni.com/people/Scott-Den...00014037345203

[Victoria81]

I also think of what became of the little girl whose mother was murdered in the basement of apartments while washing clothes. The little girl said she let the men in they wanted to buy puppies. She must be in her 30's now.

[DarkDante]

Originally Posted by Clockworkhigh

There are a million cases where a Dennis Depue incident could have happened. In the re-enactment he slugs his ex-wife while he is saying "you're turning them against me." Meaning the kids. Now, Marilyn didn't deserve to be pushed down the stairs and ultimately killed, but you are right about something, how did it come to this? I assume the couple were married at least 20 years if they had teenagers. Even if the marriage got dissolved you'd think that somewhere in those 20 years there were enough happy memories to remain cordial. Maybe Marilyn really was turning the kids against him. Who knows? That was just a case where it could have turned out alright had there been a few tweaks I'm sure, and it is also a case where I am sure someone you know is just inches away from being in the same position. Divorce is not for the faint of heart.

My question here, how in the world did Dennis actually move in with another woman and she was totally oblivious to who he was. I am not saying she had to know who he was as a fugitive, but more or less you would think before you move in with someone you at least meet their family and know their history.

I don't want to cast aspersions on Marilyn without knowing the facts but I also have no reason to doubt Dennis as far as some of the things he wrote in his "manifesto". Things like:

"Marilyn had every opportunity to treat me fairly during the divorce. But instead she chose to string it out, trick me, lie to me, manipulate me. When you lose your wife, children and home there's not much left."

It wasn't too long ago that I was reading a biography on Bruce Springsteen. In this biography Springsteen speaks of what he terms as "American isolation" when people become alienated from the things that give their life some sense of permanence (family, job, community). He states:

Those are the things that keep you sane, that give meaning to life in some fashion. And if they slip away, and you start to exist in some void where the basic constraints of society are a joke, then life becomes kind of a joke. And anything can happen.

The aspect of society as an influential factor aside, I believe this is exactly what happened to Dennis. I think all of the things that gave his life some semblance of structure or permanence were gradually stripped away from him over a period of time to the point where his life was essentially in limbo. He lost all semblance of his identity as a husband, father, head of the household and I think it lead him to contemplate as is stated in the segment both murder and suicide.

One question that instantly comes to mind is whether or not Dennis by contemplating and ultimately carrying out these actions was in some way making a desperate attempt to exert some control over his life which he had evidently already deemed to be out of his control, the ability to control his own life in his mind anyhow taken away from him by others. Now, given that the act of taking his wife's life was more than likely pre-meditated given the fact that he had expressed his intent prior to killing her, that does bring up another question:

Why given that Dennis had expressed his intent to his co-workers that he intended to murder his wife did nobody ever make an attempt to intervene and possibly get Dennis into some form of counseling or divert him from the catastrophic path he was on? I suppose the only answer to that is that it is often human nature to turn our heads away until it is too late.

[SheRaaa]

This is a great idea for a thread, as I've often wondered about the families of certain people profiled on UM (either victims or perpetrators).

I always wonder about Chance Wackerhagen, whose father may have caused the demise of his stepmother and then fled with Chance. Are father and son alive? Or did they simply live "off the grid" for years and years?

I've wondered what happened to Melvine Aprille's kids, who she fled with after stealing their father's money. I know Melvine was eventually caught, but I'm not sure what happened to their two kids.

I definitely wonder what happened to Mike Riemer's daughter, who was apparently dropped-off at a store by her parents' murderer. Did she ever speak about the incident? Is she trying to find the killer herself, or as an adult, is she trying to put the past behind her?

[DarkDante]

Originally Posted by SheRaaa

I've wondered what happened to Melvine Aprille's kids, who she fled with after stealing their father's money. I know Melvine was eventually caught, but I'm not sure what happened to their two kids.

I definitely wonder what happened to Mike Riemer's daughter, who was apparently dropped-off at a store by her parents' murderer. Did she ever speak about the incident? Is she trying to find the killer herself, or as an adult, is she trying to put the past behind her?

Custody of Melvine and Jimmy Aprille's children was returned to Jimmy and he stated during the update that they were doing well. One interesting note on that update: For what it's worth UM apparently filmed Jimmy taking his kids bowling sometime after they were reunited but this footage never made the update segment. This was a common theme in a lot of the updates that involved parents reuniting with their abducted children. Jim Fontes is shown playing basketball with his sons, Arthur Karopoulos is shown out and about with his son Nick etc.

As for Mike and Diana Riemer's daughter (Crystal) I believe I read a few years back that she doesn't give interviews or speak publicly about what happened to her parents.

On another note, since I brought her up I often wonder how Nick Karopoulos' mom (Levia) is doing? They never really updated what exactly happened with her except obviously that custody of Nick was returned to his father.

[Steve W.]

Originally Posted by Victoria81

I also think of what became of the little girl whose mother was murdered in the basement of apartments while washing clothes. The little girl said she let the men in they wanted to buy puppies. She must be in her 30's now.

The little girl was Nicole Laferte. I saw that she has a Facebook account. The woman that died was her mother's roommate, Doreen Picard. Her mother, Susan Laferte, surivived the attack after being in a coma for awhile.

The man/killer she let in was about an hour or so after some other men came over to inquire about the puppies.

[Clockworkhigh]

Originally Posted by SheRaaa

I definitely wonder what happened to Mike Riemer's daughter, who was apparently dropped-off at a store by her parents' murderer. Did she ever speak about the incident? Is she trying to find the killer herself, or as an adult, is she trying to put the past behind her?

Well at the time of the segment I know Diana's mother was looking after her. I assume it stayed this way as she grew up. Diana's mom didn't look very old and I would assume she lived long enough (maybe still is alive) to raise her grandaughter. I don't know about Mike's dad though. Diana's mom felt Mike was involved in the murder but Mike's dad didn't. It makes me wonder just how much contact Crystal had with her grandfather, if any at all. Now that Mike's skull has been found I think we should lean on the side that he was a victim all along.

But honestly, Crystal was young at the time, but she was coherent enough to say "mommy is in the trees". She must have saw something and we most certainly know she came in direct contact with the killer who thankfully had enough of a heart to spare her.

[Victoria81]

Thought about them again this past Easter....so sad.