Just saw the Philip Fraser case where picks up a hitchhiker

[JEREMYN]

for that philip fraser case why doesnt the police check for some dna where the alleged killer was spending at the couple's house where he was staying the night?or better yet why not check for dna where he spent money at the gas station they can check for dna there also

[zack007attack]

Originally Posted by JEREMYN

for that philip fraser case why doesnt the police check for some dna where the alleged killer was spending at the couple's house where he was staying the night?or better yet why not check for dna where he spent money at the gas station they can check for dna there also

Phillip was murdered in 1988, which was still fairly long before DNA technology became feasible; it was expensive, rare, and not very reliable because of the limited evidence it could provide at that time.

I believe it was at least a couple months before all the connections were made between the hitchhiker sighting at the gas station and at the Olson residence. By that time, whatever DNA and fingerprints he left behind could have disappeared.

Honestly, I think Phillip's murderer is already incarcerated. I strongly believe the hitchhiker was serial killer Michael Wayne McGray. Do a google search of him.

[JEREMYN]

ok thanks ill check it up

[JEREMYN]

i read he was a canadian killer but who was the couple that let him spend the night were they american or canadian?

[zack007attack]

Originally Posted by JEREMYN

i read he was a canadian killer but who was the couple that let him spend the night were they american or canadian?

Eddie and Pauline Olson are Canadian. They lived in Kitwanga, British Columbia.

[WishfulDreamer]

Originally Posted by zack007attack

Phillip was murdered in 1988, which was still fairly long before DNA technology became feasible; it was expensive, rare, and not very reliable because of the limited evidence it could provide at that time.

I believe it was at least a couple months before all the connections were made between the hitchhiker sighting at the gas station and at the Olson residence. By that time, whatever DNA and fingerprints he left behind could have disappeared.

Honestly, I think Phillip's murderer is already incarcerated. I strongly believe the hitchhiker was serial killer Michael Wayne McGray. Do a google search of him.

Wow, he looks like the composite! Good sleuthing, zach! My question is, did we ever hear what the murder method was in this case? I don't recall it being mentioned in the segment. Is there any possible DNA they could have gotten from the killer? The two should be compared!

[zack007attack]

Originally Posted by WishfulDreamer

Wow, he looks like the composite! Good sleuthing, zach! My question is, did we ever hear what the murder method was in this case? I don't recall it being mentioned in the segment. Is there any possible DNA they could have gotten from the killer? The two should be compared!

The segment didn't say how Phillip was killed. They do say that his body was found six weeks after he was seen with the hitchhiker, and about 70 miles from the Olsons' home. It's safe to assume he was murdered within mere hours after leaving the 40 Mile Flats cafe/gas station where he was last seen and shortly before the hitchhiker broke down while driving Phillip's car then was picked up by the Olsons. Since it was 6 weeks before Phillip's body was found, his body might have been too badly decomposed for coroners to determine his cause of death.

Despite the decomposition, the RCMP were able to confirm whose body it was by obtaining dental records from Alaska in quick fashion; since Phillip's parents filed a missing persons report and he was thought to have been potentially a homicide victim by that time.

However, information on the internet indicates McGray murdered most of his victims by stabbing. Perhaps Phillip stopped for a short break if he wanted to use a roadside restroom or stretch his legs, etc. Then the killer snuck up behind him and slit his throat or stabbed him in the chest.

[TheCars1986]

Michael Wayne McGray definitely looks to be the most likely suspect in Philip's death.

[nohwheregirl]

Have any of the Frasier witnesses come out and said McGray was the guy?

[SageSlowdive]

WOW! Looks just like the comp.

[egswanso]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

Michael Wayne McGray definitely looks to be the most likely suspect in Philip's death.

A suspect, certainly, but it is interesting to note that McGray hasn't confessed to Philip's murder (he did to many others - but of course this is hardly determinative). I would hope that police would try to determine if he had be placed in the Yukon/northern BC area during the time required - I had a lengthy post in another thread on this case relating to the killer's movements and am, frankly, surprised this avenue hasn't played out better, considering the limited population and routes in the area.

One caveat about McGray is his self-professed "searing hunger to kill," could such a person not have killed the Olsens given the easy opportunity to do so?

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by egswanso

One caveat about McGray is his self-professed "searing hunger to kill," could such a person not have killed the Olsens given the easy opportunity to do so?

I'd say anything is possible when it comes to serial killers. Maybe McGray didn't think he could overtake both of the Olsons without causing a stir, possibly leading to someone calling 911. The Olsons were in a suburban neighborhood IIRC, whereas Philip was killed in a remote location. He may have thought it was too risky. On a side note, I wonder if anyone has thought it prudent to show the Olsons a picture of McGray to see if he's the same man that stayed at their house.

[egswanso]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I'd say anything is possible when it comes to serial killers. Maybe McGray didn't think he could overtake both of the Olsons without causing a stir, possibly leading to someone calling 911. The Olsons were in a suburban neighborhood IIRC, whereas Philip was killed in a remote location. He may have thought it was too risky. On a side note, I wonder if anyone has thought it prudent to show the Olsons a picture of McGray to see if he's the same man that stayed at their house.

The Olsens were in a pretty isolated area as well; many of McGray's kills were in urban areas, so I doubt that it concerned him much one way or the other. Regardless, it's not determinative one way or the other, of course. I would hope McGray was investigated - some pictures of him do resemble the composite and he certainly had the willingness to kill.

[Matt C]

I felt compelled to join this forum after lurking here for over two years but much more frequently in the past year. I am extremely impressed with the intelligence and objectivity of most of the posters here.

The cause of death for Phillip was said to be gunshot by a person who posted in another thread claiming to have grown up with him. Having said that, said poster also claimed that Phillip died in 1983 when in reality it was in June of 1988. I noticed UM categorized this as an "Unexplained Death" but I'm unsure on what basis such categorizations were made.

Does anyone have the height and weight [at the time] of Michael Wayne McGray? The hitchhiker was said to be 5'9 and 225 pounds.

By chance is this the same Tina Frocklage that was featured on the episode? I am unable to post links but this is the Facebook profile of the person I am referring to:

Facebook /tfrocklage

Incidentally, there is information about Dr. Robert Fraser online which leads me to believe he is still alive and possibly even practicing medicine in Alaska or at least still active in the medical community in some capacity.

[Arnold_OldSchool]

Perhaps he saw all the guns in the basement and feared he'd be staring at another in his face if he made a move towards the Olsens.