Any thoughts on Vince Foster?

[XCalibur]

I just saw that case again tonight, I've never seen it discussed on here but its a pretty intriguing case.

What struck me about it is I've never seen handwriting analysis that in depth. Do you all think there is something to it or are they grasping at straws?

I'm sure you all have heard of the Clinton body Count book, I've never read it but I wonder if Foster was one of the people mentioned it.

No idea what any of your political views are but any thoughts on this story?

[MegtheEgg86]

Originally Posted by XCalibur

I just saw that case again tonight, I've never seen it discussed on here but its a pretty intriguing case.

What struck me about it is I've never seen handwriting analysis that in depth. Do you all think there is something to it or are they grasping at straws?

I'm sure you all have heard of the Clinton body Count book, I've never read it but I wonder if Foster was one of the people mentioned it.

No idea what any of your political views are but any thoughts on this story?

I think Vince Foster committed suicide. I think his position and the publicity that goes with it were already greatly overwhelming to him without the added stressor of Whitewater.

I don't doubt that Foster is probably mentioned in that book, but I personally have never lent much credibility to the idea of a Clinton "body count."

[Gelatinous Goo]

There are a few schools of thought on the matter of FDE (Forensic Document Examination). I authenticate signatures and handwriting of famous individuals and personally feel that FDE is a farce. Then again, the FDE's would say the same about those who share my end of the profession. Regardless of what side is taken in this argument, it must be stressed that this profession is something that can not be taught in schools. The FDE's seem to think so, but the ablilty has more to do with natural aptitude combined with years of experience and volume of material examined. It will never be a perfect science. Anyone who claims to carry a perfect track record should be discounted immediately.

[MasterEdward]

I think Vince Foster was murdered and Bill and Hilary Clinton were behind it. I'm absolutely convinced of that. And nothing will ever make me believe otherwise.

Ed.

[undertakeress]

I agree with murdered. I think the gun was found on the wrong side, or too far away from him to be suicide?

[marlins3]

Old 42 was behind it and knows exactly what happened...I have no doubt. Anybody else read Year of the Rat? Timperlake and Triplett visited my college my freshman year (shortly after their book was released)...very interesting to see just how far the man went. The biggest sleaze to ever serve in the Oval Office.

[TracyLynnS]

Politicians in general.... I think almost all of them have skeletons in their closets and had to grease a few palms and slit a few throats to get into their powerful positions.

The Clinton Body count thing... I think Bill and Hillary were involved in illegal stuff, and some of it serious, but I think the same thing about just about every other person in politics. (Even the little local guys like school board members, mayors, city councilmen, local reps, etc keep getting caught in criminal activities.)

I don't think the Clintons had anything to do with Henry and Ives, past Bill repeatedly propping up that horrible ME, Fahmy Malak

Vince Foster? I dunno. Wasn't his autopsy botched too? I'd say someone as powerful as a president would be capable of having such a thing done, but I'd have to go back over the details of this case to form an opinion on Clinton's involvement or lack of.

[XCalibur]

I just watched this case again the other day and was going to start a thread for my occasional revisit series. But after searching realized I started one years ago so thought I'd just revive it just to see if there was any interest from new people who might have come on the board.

Looks like the political aspect was already discussed.

The Clintons are still around shooting their mouth off for Biden today, so I think its still relevant. Its around that time where I think corruption in Washington DC which was already great really went to another level.

But I don't want to get to much into politics, the most intriguing aspect of this case to me was the handwriting analysis from two different sides. Did you guys agree more with the experts who said the document was forged or the one who said it was not? And what are your thoughts on the merits of so called hesitation blots proving it likely the document was forged? I've wrote myself when I was depressed and under pressure, never bought into the idea your writing changed. Does really seem to me that hesitation blots would in fact be someone trying to imitate someone's writing.

[James T]

Originally Posted by XCalibur

I just watched this case again the other day and was going to start a thread for my occasional revisit series. But after searching realized I started one years ago so thought I'd just revive it just to see if there was any interest from new people who might have come on the board.

Looks like the political aspect was already discussed.

The Clintons are still around shooting their mouth off for Biden today, so I think its still relevant. Its around that time where I think corruption in Washington DC which was already great really went to another level.

But I don't want to get to much into politics, the most intriguing aspect of this case to me was the handwriting analysis from two different sides. Did you guys agree more with the experts who said the document was forged or the one who said it was not? And what are your thoughts on the merits of so called hesitation blots proving it likely the document was forged? I've wrote myself when I was depressed and under pressure, never bought into the idea your writing changed. Does really seem to me that hesitation blots would in fact be someone trying to imitate someone's writing.

I am reminded of the 'Tara Calico' photo on UM. One lab said it was her, another lab that it wasn't & a third sat on the fence-clearly it wasn't her as the girl in the photo is much younger & has a different shaped face. Or the Jas photos in the Amy Bradley case-of course if you pay for an expert, they are highly likely to give you the answer you want.

[XCalibur]

Originally Posted by James T

I am reminded of the 'Tara Calico' photo on UM. One lab said it was her, another lab that it wasn't & a third sat on the fence-clearly it wasn't her as the girl in the photo is much younger & has a different shaped face. Or the Jas photos in the Amy Bradley case-of course if you pay for an expert, they are highly likely to give you the answer you want.

Sure, but that doesn't mean they don't have a point or aren't ever right. A good argument is a good argument regardless of what the motivation behind it might be. And I think in this case those arguing it was a forgery had one.

[sharonite]

Vince Foster died tragically, by his own hand, in an era when depression was not understood well.

That Rush Limbaugh et al. chose to sensationalize and politicize his death was (and is) disgusting. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of the Clintons. It was not necessary to stoop this low.

[thinwhiteduke74]

The Vince Foster conspiracy nuts online, of whom there were thousands three decades, ago, are akin to 9-11 truthers and the Sandy Hook "crisis actor" twaddle. And I'm afraid you can't separate the politics from the case. The Republicans who whispered darkly about the Clintons also couldn't believe their 12-year hold on the executive branch ended with the election of an overweight boomer governor of Arkansas who admitted to inhaling pot smoke.

Foster, on record about his depression and the toxicity of the DC climate, killed himself.

[Labonte18]

Originally Posted by XCalibur

I just watched this case again the other day and was going to start a thread for my occasional revisit series. But after searching realized I started one years ago so thought I'd just revive it just to see if there was any interest from new people who might have come on the board.

Looks like the political aspect was already discussed.

The Clintons are still around shooting their mouth off for Biden today, so I think its still relevant. Its around that time where I think corruption in Washington DC which was already great really went to another level.

But I don't want to get to much into politics, the most intriguing aspect of this case to me was the handwriting analysis from two different sides. Did you guys agree more with the experts who said the document was forged or the one who said it was not? And what are your thoughts on the merits of so called hesitation blots proving it likely the document was forged? I've wrote myself when I was depressed and under pressure, never bought into the idea your writing changed. Does really seem to me that hesitation blots would in fact be someone trying to imitate someone's writing.

Or.. The mechanisms of a man in the throes of a deep, dark depression that was having thoughts of killing himself?

Honestly, handwriting 'experts' seem to be off quite a bit.. I never quite know what to make of it. Especially when you have differing opinions. Even people who authenticate autographs are wrong at times.

That being said.. I find that in my mind.. Most political conspiracy theories are nothing more than that. It's just a matter of how silly they are.

On the grand scale of things.. This is one that.. Has at least an air of believability to it. Unlike the grand pedophile conspiracies, pizzagate and things of that nature.

I rather doubt it is anything more than suicide, but.. I would listen to any new evidence that was uncovered. Be silly to be that closed-minded on something, as is apparently the poster earlier that said "Nothing would change their mind"

[sharonite]

Five different investigations—including one headed by Ken Starr, not exactly a fan of Bill and Hill—concluded that Foster’s death was self-inflicted.

The chances of any “new evidence” of significant magnitude coming to light are likely very slim.

[XCalibur]

Originally Posted by sharonite

Five different investigations—including one headed by Ken Starr, not exactly a fan of Bill and Hill—concluded that Foster’s death was self-inflicted.

The chances of any “new evidence” of significant magnitude coming to light are likely very slim.

Washington DC is the most corrupt, disgusting, and evil stinkhole the world has ever seen. Don't trust anything that comes out of that place. Even then it was beginning to go down hill.