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JannTosh · 10-18-2011, 02:16 PM

it seems everyone here really hate the UFO/Ghost stories! LOL. To be fair, while they may have been unbelievable, at least they were executed pretty well. Which of them did you think were the most believable?

I'd say the Betty Cash encounter because there was actually physical evidence left behind.

Also, the Frederick Valentich dissapearance as well. That was creepy as hell and there was no doubt that actually happened

WishfulDreamer · 10-18-2011, 02:31 PM

Frederick Valentich.

Belgium Air Force surveillance (though that one is more than likely to be a craft someone's gov. is not fessing up about). However, it is ultra creepy that Belgium's highway can be seen from space...

RobinW · 10-18-2011, 03:14 PM

Definitely agree on the Valentich and Cash/Landrum UFO stories. Even if the craft those two women and that boy saw that night wasn't actually a UFO, there's no way they deliberately exposed themselves to a bunch of radiation for the purposes of a hoax.

Here's my list of whom I consider to be other believable interviewees from UFO/ghost stories. I've always sensed that even if they didn't actually encounter something supernatural, THEY genuinely believe it happened and just don't seem like the type of people who would deliberately perpetuate a hoax:

-the four victims of the "Allagash Abductions"
-Robert Matthews from the "Missing Time" segment
-Stephen Michalak from the "Falcon UFO" encounter
-Jim & Kay Tatum from the "Tatum Ghost" story

Some people don't put much credibility in the Tallman family because they decided to do their interviews in silhouette, but I personally think that anyone who was staging a hoax would want to show their faces for the attention. At the very least, I think they do genuinely believe that their house was huanted.

TracyLynnS · 10-18-2011, 03:15 PM

I'm one of those people who think UFOs are government aircraft that haven't been revealed to the public yet. IMO, it was the B2 (triangle shaped) bomber that was the object of so many UFO sightings in the 80s.

I definitely believe the experience Betty Cash, Vickie Landrum, and Colby had in 1980 was real. Seems like I read that the ladies have since passed. I wonder how Colby is doing nowadays.

I like the ghost episodes, especially if it appears that what the people are experiencing is real. Although some of the hoax ones are pretty good, too. My favorite fake was the Mann Family's Lake Wales, FL segment. Lots of good laffs in that one.

Ghost stories I tend to believe:

-Black Hope Curse: It's a bit controversial here, but the coffins and remains of Betty and Charlie Thomas were found at the site. Having proof that your house is built on a cemetery is bound to freak anybody out. (IIRC, it had only been about 40 years since the last interment.) I don't believe that the people buried there were haunting the living, but I do think the people experienced something supernatural.

-Tatum Family Ghost: IMO, these folks also had some kind of supernatural experience.

-Murder of David Chase: I'm in the minority here, but I kinda think Phil Harris really did get some kind of message that led to him helping David's wife Judi discover what likely happened to her missing (deceased) husband.

-Heidi Wyrick: She said she had repeated visits from "Lon" and "Mr. Gordy".

-Paige Roark: She was 18 years old when she was killed by a drunk driver. Her mother and grandmother claim to have had comforting visions of her.

-Teresita Basa: I'm in the minority on this one, too. She was said to appear to a woman in dreams, giving her details about her murder. The woman went to police with the details that ended up leading to Teresita's killer.

WishfulDreamer · 10-18-2011, 03:33 PM

I agree about Phil Harris, TracyLynn. I don't think he was making things up and genuinely believed he had this experience. I know it sounds irrational, but I believe the story as well.

I also believe that Betty Cash and Vicky Landrum were telling the truth; something happened to them and though I don't really believe in little green men, anything is possible. I tend to believe that it was a government craft.

zack007attack · 10-18-2011, 07:48 PM

The Cash-Landrum incident definitely happened. Colbie has since recovered from the radiation exposure he faced, based on his appearance at a doctor check-up in the UFO Hunters episode which covered this UFO incident.

I'd say Roswell definitely happened, and was an alien spacecraft. As Dr. Stanton Friedman said in the segment, it was perfectly normal for the military to cover up such an incident and they had good reason to do so for this one. There were military personal (Pappy Henderson, Jesse Marcel) who corroborate the story.

I think Frederick Valentich ended up at the bottom of the sea, the wreckage of his plane hidden by elements on the murky sea floor. Witnesses reported seeing what was probably his plane go down, followed by a large green light.

UMFaninMD · 10-18-2011, 08:17 PM

I believe the Cash-Landrum incident happened too. The two women seemed extremely credible when telling their stories.

The Belgian UFO's - There were a lot of witnesses, most of them in law enforcement and each story was the same. I don't believe this is a case of mass hysteria or a mass hoax.

Allegash - again, the stories were too similar from each men to think that they decided to make this up on a whim and they seemed really terrified about what happened to them.

I used to think there was some credibility to the Canadian UFO (Guardian) sighting but after reading the website that describes the shifty behavior of Bob Oeckler and Diane Labinek (who has made other UFO sighting claims in the past), I think this was a hoax.

Roswell is a given and I think the cop that saw the UFO in the Mexican desert is telling the truth too.

As for the ghost stories, The Entity, where the four cowboys kept getting scared by loud noises, Resurrection Mary, the Tatums', and the one where the dead husband returned for his wife's birthday or something like that are all credible to me.

Arnold_OldSchool · 10-22-2011, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by UMFaninMD

Roswell is a given and I think the cop that saw the UFO in the Mexican desert is telling the truth too.

Socorro, NM case is believed to be a case of a NASA moon vehicle on a test run or supposedly some then college kids using a balloon of some sort to pull a hoax because the cops were hassling them often

MegtheEgg86 · 10-22-2011, 07:55 AM

I'm skeptical of all the ghost stories, but there are a few UFO cases and interviewees I felt might have a lot of credibility. Bob Matthews from the Missing Time segment I thought was without a doubt one of the most believable interviewees on UM in and of itself, not just within the UFO realm. He didn't at all seem like the type of person given to exaggeration or fabrication, and I could tell he had been deeply effected by all the things that had happened to him over his life. At the very least if it didn't happen, he definitely believes it did. I don't think he's making a thing up. I did think the female "missing time" victim that they interviewed seemed a little loopy though.

Other ones I tend to believe:

-Allagash Four
-Belgian UFOs
-Betty Cash and Vicki Landrum

Also in the supernatural realm, I always thought Kristle Merzlock and Tom Sawyer's stories were very believable too.

Cori aka ChrisSCrush · 11-16-2012, 05:55 PM

H2 is running some very well done, credible UFO programs including the sightings at a U. S. military base in Britain in December 1980, the Kecksburg, Pennsylvania crash in December 1965, and the 1989 Belgium triangle cluster.

DALLASTEXAN!! · 11-16-2012, 06:47 PM

I think a lot of the UFO segments were man made craft that could be seen as what they are. Unexplained. Governments test their technology and do not reveal their plans. Also any alien story actual helps govts hide their real operations. I believe that many of these encounters that um showcased are real but they were not aliens. The aligash four is probably the most creepy UFO segment but I think it is a hoax. Something happened but I think their accounts are exaggerated. uM did a great job of getting credible witnesses for their UFO segments. I believe the Phoenix lights were a hoax.

As far as the ghost stories. The teresita basha story is creepy because you can't really explain how the case was solved other than something supernatural. Law enforcement was credible and I believe the witnesses were sincere. I think many of the other ghost stories were myths or scientifically based and were exaggerated for viewership.

cordwainer1453 · 11-16-2012, 07:38 PM

The one where the lady claimed she was "touched" by the ghost in the shower. Yeah, that lady wasn't believable at all.

1990 UM fan · 11-16-2012, 07:53 PM

the Falcon Lake UFO incident, where Stephen Michalak was burned by the craft and left with circular burns that smelt of sulfur. They never went away, even after his death in 1999. I tend to believe the Frederick Valentich one too, he still has not been found. It's peculiar that Betty Cash died 18 years to the day after seeing the UFO. Very eerie. Colby Landrum has a Facebook account I believe.

As for ghostly ones, I could give you a mile-long list, but that'd take forever. I do believe in alot of the ones that TracyLynnS posted.

DALLASTEXAN!! · 11-16-2012, 08:36 PM

Marfa ghost lights was a good one too. A classic UM. Has there been any finding on this?

Necco · 11-16-2012, 10:54 PM

Christine Scoobish, hands down, was the most believable ghost story for me.

Medjugorje, Lourdes, Guadalope and Fatima are all ones I have no doubt about.

10-18-2011, 02:16 PM	#1
JannTosh Member Forum Regular Join Date: Feb 28, 2011 Location: Michigan Posts: 585	Most believable UFO/supernatural cases? it seems everyone here really hate the UFO/Ghost stories! LOL. To be fair, while they may have been unbelievable, at least they were executed pretty well. Which of them did you think were the most believable? I'd say the Betty Cash encounter because there was actually physical evidence left behind. Also, the Frederick Valentich dissapearance as well. That was creepy as hell and there was no doubt that actually happened

10-22-2011, 07:55 AM	#9
MegtheEgg86 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Jun 19, 2008 Location: The Volunteer State Posts: 5,156	I'm skeptical of all the ghost stories, but there are a few UFO cases and interviewees I felt might have a lot of credibility. Bob Matthews from the Missing Time segment I thought was without a doubt one of the most believable interviewees on UM in and of itself, not just within the UFO realm. He didn't at all seem like the type of person given to exaggeration or fabrication, and I could tell he had been deeply effected by all the things that had happened to him over his life. At the very least if it didn't happen, he definitely believes it did. I don't think he's making a thing up. I did think the female "missing time" victim that they interviewed seemed a little loopy though. Other ones I tend to believe: -Allagash Four -Belgian UFOs -Betty Cash and Vicki Landrum Also in the supernatural realm, I always thought Kristle Merzlock and Tom Sawyer's stories were very believable too.
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11-16-2012, 05:55 PM	#10
Cori aka ChrisSCrush Member Senior Member Join Date: Dec 30, 2001 Location: USA and still trying to be proud of it! Posts: 2,068	H2 is running some very well done, credible UFO programs including the sightings at a U. S. military base in Britain in December 1980, the Kecksburg, Pennsylvania crash in December 1965, and the 1989 Belgium triangle cluster.
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11-16-2012, 07:53 PM	#13
1990 UM fan Unsolved Mysteries fanatic Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2011 Location: United States Posts: 2,510	the Falcon Lake UFO incident, where Stephen Michalak was burned by the craft and left with circular burns that smelt of sulfur. They never went away, even after his death in 1999. I tend to believe the Frederick Valentich one too, he still has not been found. It's peculiar that Betty Cash died 18 years to the day after seeing the UFO. Very eerie. Colby Landrum has a Facebook account I believe. As for ghostly ones, I could give you a mile-long list, but that'd take forever. I do believe in alot of the ones that TracyLynnS posted.
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10-18-2011, 02:31 PM	#2
WishfulDreamer Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 01, 2009 Location: L.A. Posts: 3,868	Frederick Valentich. Belgium Air Force surveillance (though that one is more than likely to be a craft someone's gov. is not fessing up about). However, it is ultra creepy that Belgium's highway can be seen from space...

10-18-2011, 03:14 PM	#3
RobinW Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2010 Posts: 1,874	Definitely agree on the Valentich and Cash/Landrum UFO stories. Even if the craft those two women and that boy saw that night wasn't actually a UFO, there's no way they deliberately exposed themselves to a bunch of radiation for the purposes of a hoax. Here's my list of whom I consider to be other believable interviewees from UFO/ghost stories. I've always sensed that even if they didn't actually encounter something supernatural, THEY genuinely believe it happened and just don't seem like the type of people who would deliberately perpetuate a hoax: -the four victims of the "Allagash Abductions" -Robert Matthews from the "Missing Time" segment -Stephen Michalak from the "Falcon UFO" encounter -Jim & Kay Tatum from the "Tatum Ghost" story Some people don't put much credibility in the Tallman family because they decided to do their interviews in silhouette, but I personally think that anyone who was staging a hoax would want to show their faces for the attention. At the very least, I think they do genuinely believe that their house was huanted.

10-18-2011, 03:15 PM	#4
TracyLynnS Don't Look Up Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 3,107	I'm one of those people who think UFOs are government aircraft that haven't been revealed to the public yet. IMO, it was the B2 (triangle shaped) bomber that was the object of so many UFO sightings in the 80s. I definitely believe the experience Betty Cash, Vickie Landrum, and Colby had in 1980 was real. Seems like I read that the ladies have since passed. I wonder how Colby is doing nowadays. I like the ghost episodes, especially if it appears that what the people are experiencing is real. Although some of the hoax ones are pretty good, too. My favorite fake was the Mann Family's Lake Wales, FL segment. Lots of good laffs in that one. Ghost stories I tend to believe: -Black Hope Curse: It's a bit controversial here, but the coffins and remains of Betty and Charlie Thomas were found at the site. Having proof that your house is built on a cemetery is bound to freak anybody out. (IIRC, it had only been about 40 years since the last interment.) I don't believe that the people buried there were haunting the living, but I do think the people experienced something supernatural. -Tatum Family Ghost: IMO, these folks also had some kind of supernatural experience. -Murder of David Chase: I'm in the minority here, but I kinda think Phil Harris really did get some kind of message that led to him helping David's wife Judi discover what likely happened to her missing (deceased) husband. -Heidi Wyrick: She said she had repeated visits from "Lon" and "Mr. Gordy". -Paige Roark: She was 18 years old when she was killed by a drunk driver. Her mother and grandmother claim to have had comforting visions of her. -Teresita Basa: I'm in the minority on this one, too. She was said to appear to a woman in dreams, giving her details about her murder. The woman went to police with the details that ended up leading to Teresita's killer.

10-18-2011, 03:33 PM	#5
WishfulDreamer Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 01, 2009 Location: L.A. Posts: 3,868	I agree about Phil Harris, TracyLynn. I don't think he was making things up and genuinely believed he had this experience. I know it sounds irrational, but I believe the story as well. I also believe that Betty Cash and Vicky Landrum were telling the truth; something happened to them and though I don't really believe in little green men, anything is possible. I tend to believe that it was a government craft.

10-18-2011, 07:48 PM	#6
zack007attack Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 30, 2009 Posts: 402	The Cash-Landrum incident definitely happened. Colbie has since recovered from the radiation exposure he faced, based on his appearance at a doctor check-up in the UFO Hunters episode which covered this UFO incident. I'd say Roswell definitely happened, and was an alien spacecraft. As Dr. Stanton Friedman said in the segment, it was perfectly normal for the military to cover up such an incident and they had good reason to do so for this one. There were military personal (Pappy Henderson, Jesse Marcel) who corroborate the story. I think Frederick Valentich ended up at the bottom of the sea, the wreckage of his plane hidden by elements on the murky sea floor. Witnesses reported seeing what was probably his plane go down, followed by a large green light.

10-18-2011, 08:17 PM	#7
UMFaninMD I love a mystery Senior Member Join Date: Apr 19, 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,287	I believe the Cash-Landrum incident happened too. The two women seemed extremely credible when telling their stories. The Belgian UFO's - There were a lot of witnesses, most of them in law enforcement and each story was the same. I don't believe this is a case of mass hysteria or a mass hoax. Allegash - again, the stories were too similar from each men to think that they decided to make this up on a whim and they seemed really terrified about what happened to them. I used to think there was some credibility to the Canadian UFO (Guardian) sighting but after reading the website that describes the shifty behavior of Bob Oeckler and Diane Labinek (who has made other UFO sighting claims in the past), I think this was a hoax. Roswell is a given and I think the cop that saw the UFO in the Mexican desert is telling the truth too. As for the ghost stories, The Entity, where the four cowboys kept getting scared by loud noises, Resurrection Mary, the Tatums', and the one where the dead husband returned for his wife's birthday or something like that are all credible to me.

11-16-2012, 06:47 PM	#11
DALLASTEXAN!! Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 31, 2007 Location: Devil's Backbone Posts: 3,138	I think a lot of the UFO segments were man made craft that could be seen as what they are. Unexplained. Governments test their technology and do not reveal their plans. Also any alien story actual helps govts hide their real operations. I believe that many of these encounters that um showcased are real but they were not aliens. The aligash four is probably the most creepy UFO segment but I think it is a hoax. Something happened but I think their accounts are exaggerated. uM did a great job of getting credible witnesses for their UFO segments. I believe the Phoenix lights were a hoax. As far as the ghost stories. The teresita basha story is creepy because you can't really explain how the case was solved other than something supernatural. Law enforcement was credible and I believe the witnesses were sincere. I think many of the other ghost stories were myths or scientifically based and were exaggerated for viewership.

11-16-2012, 07:38 PM	#12
cordwainer1453 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 05, 2011 Location: Mass Posts: 268	The one where the lady claimed she was "touched" by the ghost in the shower. Yeah, that lady wasn't believable at all.

11-16-2012, 08:36 PM	#14
DALLASTEXAN!! Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 31, 2007 Location: Devil's Backbone Posts: 3,138	Marfa ghost lights was a good one too. A classic UM. Has there been any finding on this?

11-16-2012, 10:54 PM	#15
Necco Member Senior Member Join Date: Jan 06, 2006 Posts: 1,149	Christine Scoobish, hands down, was the most believable ghost story for me. Medjugorje, Lourdes, Guadalope and Fatima are all ones I have no doubt about.