HIGH MAN ON THE TOTEM POLE

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I thought that was pretty stupid of Gilligan to check himself out in the mirror
while the Howells were in a dangerous situation!

Wow! The Professor certainly had guts putting his head there for Gilligan to
"chop off." Yes, he knows Gilligan is a nice guy, but he's also a little
out of his head at the time. It's funny also how Gilligan, even if actually
descended from the tribe, feels he must still want to chop off heads.

Maryann really gets totally annoyed when the group merely states that
Gilligan still thinks he's a descendant of the headhunters. All they
were doing, if I recall correctly, was report on Gilligan's own thoughts
about himself. Who's she so mad at, one might ask!

Here's a challenge to MAG: if the Skipper really wanted to get Gilligan's
attention through a female lure, why wouldn't he employ Maryann--
wouldn't the Skipper be aware after all this time if Gilligan were
interested in Maryann? In the same vein, wouldn't sending Ginger be
kind of messing things up for MAG? Would the Skipper do this?

What's in that little black box that Gilligan is packing in his bag? It looks
like a small jewelry box or something.

[Teebs]

I love this episode. I always pause the DVD when Gilligan's climbing up the totem pole to see if he's wearing anything under the grass skirt.

[TereseLucy384]

Originally Posted by Teebs

I love this episode. I always pause the DVD when Gilligan's climbing up the totem pole to see if he's wearing anything under the grass skirt.

HAHHAHAA, I've totally done that. Could possibly be a quick glance

Although I was just thinking myself, this morning (coincidentally) that MaryAnn might have better luck distracting him.

[Teebs]

Originally Posted by TereseLucy384

HAHHAHAA, I've totally done that. Could possibly be a quick glance

Although I was just thinking myself, this morning (coincidentally) that MaryAnn might have better luck distracting him.

This is after he hauled both of the girls out of the mud bath, right? If he wasn't distracted by two muddy girls (naked or not) then I don't think there's any hope for him

[PartyOfOne]

Here's a challenge to MAG: if the Skipper really wanted to get Gilligan's
attention through a female lure, why wouldn't he employ Maryann--
wouldn't the Skipper be aware after all this time if Gilligan were
interested in Maryann? In the same vein, wouldn't sending Ginger be
kind of messing things up for MAG? Would the Skipper do this?

Could it be that there never really was a MAG? I mean yes it was definitely tried in episode 25, and there are scenes here and there, but there is no coherence to it that I can see. The biggest deceit of it, I think is that Mary Ann seems to be the most interested in Gilligan in 2 episodes while acting as Ginger, even though these are in the third season, and it would be very clear to Mary Ann that Gilligan did not ever have romantic feelings for Ginger. It was almost as if the writers forgot they were writing for GI and thought they were writing for Archie Comics, and they made Gilligan, Archie, but Gilligan was really not Archie.

[Teebs]

Originally Posted by PartyOfOne

Here's a challenge to MAG: if the Skipper really wanted to get Gilligan's
attention through a female lure, why wouldn't he employ Maryann--
wouldn't the Skipper be aware after all this time if Gilligan were
interested in Maryann? In the same vein, wouldn't sending Ginger be
kind of messing things up for MAG? Would the Skipper do this?

Could it be that there never really was a MAG?

For me there is MAG. This is my personal choice, to interpret Gilligan and Mary Ann's friendship as MAG. For the purposes of writing fanfiction and just because I like that pairing better than any other. I will freely admit that most of it goes on in my imagination- I know that after season one most of the flirtations between MAG and Ginger/Professor stopped because the censors made it stop. Bob Denver also said in his book, Gilligan, Maynard and Me, that he 'wouldn't have minded' if Gilligan and Mary Ann had got together.

It's always a shame when a favourite potential couple is prevented from going any further in any TV show, but that's where our imaginations step in to fill in the blanks. Anyone can ask me any amount of questions regarding the existence of MAG and my answer will always be the same.

MAG exists to me.

[JWood201]

It exists to me. It was there in Season 1 and I think it would have continued (as would the Pinger) if the censors hadn't stepped in.

Sherwood was always about the MAG and Pinger. In the musical they get together. He wrote a TV movie in which the couples get married and their kids want to go to the island. I heard somewhere that Lovey's plan was supposed to work in "Matchmaker" but the network put the lid on that (I'm actually glad it didn't work b/c I think it would've been too soon).

There's a dream sequence episode of Baywatch guest starring Bob and Dawn in which MAG tell Eddie that they love each other. (I'm only referencing this b/c it was written by a Schwartz so I take it it had Sherwood's blessing).

I believe because it was pretty obvious that Sherwood believed, despite what the censors actually allowed him to do. You can't really argue with Sherwood himself.

[Teebs]

I believe because it was pretty obvious that Sherwood believed, despite what the censors actually allowed him to do. You can't really argue with Sherwood himself.

Right?

One cannot, repeat CANNOT argue with GI's creator. If you try, you're deluded. You also cannot argue with BAYWATCH. You just can't.

Here's Sherwood: "I'm not allowed to have romantic couples on this show, so we'll have to go with the subtle approach. Dawn, you lick that tree and tell Gilligan the sap is sweet, just like him. No-one will suspect a thing."

Here's Mary Ann, season one, "Oh, Gilligan! You were wonderful!"

Here's Ginger and the Professor: "What's the capital of South Dakota?"
"Pierre."
"Lucky Pierre!"

People are all, "No, there was no MAG." In that case, there was no Professor/Ginger, and certainly no MAP Because there is even less evidence of that, and in fact in two episodes both MA and the Prof say they have no romantic interest in each other. yeah, he promoted her in the Beauty Contest, but we've already discussed why he had to do that.

whereas MAG is there in numerous little interactions between the two youngest castaways, even in the colour episodes.

Why am I even defending this???? LM, you started it!!!!!!

[PartyOfOne]

Originally Posted by JWood201

It exists to me. It was there in Season 1 and I think it would have continued (as would the Pinger) if the censors hadn't stepped in.

Sherwood was always about the MAG and Pinger. In the musical they get together. He wrote a TV movie in which the couples get married and their kids want to go to the island. I heard somewhere that Lovey's plan was supposed to work in "Matchmaker" but the network put the lid on that (I'm actually glad it didn't work b/c I think it would've been too soon).

There's a dream sequence episode of Baywatch guest starring Bob and Dawn in which MAG tell Eddie that they love each other. (I'm only referencing this b/c it was written by a Schwartz so I take it it had Sherwood's blessing).

I believe because it was pretty obvious that Sherwood believed, despite what the censors actually allowed him to do. You can't really argue with Sherwood himself.

Okay, I didn't know anything about Baywatch until I read this thread. You have something there. However, that wasn't until the 1980s right? Also this movie that I have heard mentioned several times was never actually made so I don't see it as a very good source for anything. Personally, yes I would definitely have liked to see MAG. Pinger is much less interesting. I don't see much evidence of the Professor being interested in Ginger, and even less of the reverse. Ginger as a whole isn't very likeable. On the assumption that the Professor is heterosexual, I think he could find a better woman. If he was gay, obviously he would look for a man...
I'm also not clear why "the censors" would have stepped in in the way that is being described here. Didn't those same censors force Batman to add Batgirl because of rumors that Batman&Robin were a "queer couple?"

[Teebs]

You've quoted JWood201 here so I'll let her answer more extensively, but regarding the censors, it was to do with young people cavorting around in the jungle 'unchaperoned'. In those days even married people slept in separate beds on TV.

If Batgirl was introduced to stop people thinking Batman and Robin were gay, that's a completely different reason.

I guess the censors just wanted everyone to be heterosexual and married before any 'relations' were even hinted at.

But then it seemed that it was still alright for Ginger to push her baps into people's faces and try to seduce them- even a ROBOT, in 'Gilligan's Living Doll', which was kind of gross.

[PartyOfOne]

If Batgirl was introduced to stop people thinking Batman and Robin were gay, that's a completely different reason.

I remember reading a book about GI written by Joey Green in the 1980s that suggested Gilligan & The Skipper may have been homosexual. Having Gilligan date Mary Ann would have dampened this concept considerably. Also contrary to popular myth, the Skipper would not have been able to perform a wedding IRL.

[Teebs]

[COLOR="Red"]I remember reading a book about GI written by Joey Green in the 1980s that suggested Gilligan & The Skipper may have been homosexual.

I suppose the suggestion has been made more than once. They are ex-Navy sailors. They worked together, they share a hut, and sleep on top of one another. (In separate hammocks, obviously.) And Gilligan is always jumping on the Skipper's back or into his arms. Obviously, stereotypically gay, right?

But it's more like a father/son relationship. I don't believe the Skipper would have any romantic feelings towards Gilligan whatsoever. Plus, Skipper loved the ladies too much.

Going by Joey Green's theory, then Mary Ann and Ginger must also have been gay because they shared a hut and didn't really bother with the guys romantically, not once they had their own sleeping quarters.

[JWood201]

Joey Green's book is stupid. And I apologize for sounding like an 8 year old, but I hated it. He just made up whatever he felt like. Yes, people have been joking about Gilligan and Skipper for years - believe whatever you want, who cares. It's too early in the morning for me to dig the book out now, but he has this whole chapter about sex and is like, "Did Proffy invent something for that? I guess they used the rhythm method." REALLY, JOEY?

It was the 60s. Nobody did anything in the 60s on TV, it doesn't automatically make everyone gay. That was even more taboo than sex. We're not supposed to analyze the show like that.

Joey Green's book feels like he just sat down and wrote his thoughts without watching the episodes with a critical eye. Shipping aside, it feels like he did this with every "fact" he put in that book.

I realize this isn't the most thought out and sane posting and I apologize. But I had so many issues with Joey's book I can't even begin to put them into coherent sentences.

[Teebs]

Actually, it's a very sane post. It shows that no matter how ill educated on the subject a person may be, if they've written A BOOK, then their ideas are somehow given some kind of credibility. Heaven only knows what would happen if some of my rambling, stupid thoughts were published in a book and taken as fact.

[JWood201]

Teebs, if we wrote a book, we'd get arrested. Or sued.

"It'd get everybody sued!"