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tiddlywinks950 · 08-13-2011, 01:12 AM

So...after what happened with the old thread, I figured I would restart it. Anybody wanna pick up where we left off? I think we were supporting Joe Jones and his innocence.

Apostapler · 08-13-2011, 04:30 AM

I believe that is where we left off...talking about how he had passed the lie detector test and accepted money for some shady trash dumping pointed to him being innocent. Also, I think we were talking about his accuracy in giving a license plate, and wondering if anyone really looked into whether the Asian woman that owned the car might have somehow been connected to the killer.

kittehkrueger · 08-13-2011, 05:49 PM

Way to be redundant and petty at the same time. Tiddlywinks you are such a moron.

xxxxmattxxxx69 · 08-13-2011, 08:42 PM

I feel Joe Jones didnt have anything to do with the murder. However as an eyewitness I honestly believe he didn't give the right license plate number.

Apostapler · 08-13-2011, 08:57 PM

Yeah but what are the chances of him giving a wrong license plate number and it turns out to be the exact type of vehicle he described?

xxxxmattxxxx69 · 08-13-2011, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Apostapler

Yeah but what are the chances of him giving a wrong license plate number and it turns out to be the exact type of vehicle he described?

Not high but didn't the lady say she had no idea who that man was that Joe Jones saw dump the body? Something with one of them didn't fully add up

Apostapler · 08-14-2011, 01:12 AM

My thoughts are the lady was not telling the truth.

tiddlywinks950 · 08-14-2011, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Apostapler

My thoughts are the lady was not telling the truth.

I agree. I think she may have been too scared to say anything. The segment said that she was a Taiwanese exchange student; often, people who are living in a foreign country have enough things to deal with and when they're confronted with certain situations, especially ones like this, they don't say anything to the police. Not saying it happens in every case, but it might be why the girl didn't tell the police some stuff (if she was involved that is).

amandab1234 · 08-14-2011, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Apostapler

My thoughts are the lady was not telling the truth.

I really think it was just a weird coincidence that Joe Jones gave a wrong license plate number yet the car description was right. Didnt the cops check out the cars engine and determine it hadnt been used?

Mysteryphile · 08-14-2011, 06:42 AM

I think if he had anything to do with it he wouldn't have told the cops where the body was. If he would have just stayed quite the garbage men would have came, picked up the dumpster and she would have been gone forever....the chances of her being found being extremely low once she got to the garbage dump.

Also I think him admitting to taking the money makes him sounds more truthful...I mean, not a good thing to admit to BUT how many people would take the money? It's not like you'd be thinking they'd be putting anything seriously bad in there...

The license plate thing...well it was dark, he got a quick look and to even remember as much as he did was pretty good.

Apostapler · 08-14-2011, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tiddlywinks950

I agree. I think she may have been too scared to say anything. The segment said that she was a Taiwanese exchange student; often, people who are living in a foreign country have enough things to deal with and when they're confronted with certain situations, especially ones like this, they don't say anything to the police. Not saying it happens in every case, but it might be why the girl didn't tell the police some stuff (if she was involved that is).

I wonder if the killer was a man she knew, even maybe a boyfriend, but you would think the police would dig through that and find out if so.

justins5256 · 08-14-2011, 09:49 AM

I can't remember exactly what I wrote on that other thread, but I will say that I've seen the segment probably a hundred times since it first aired and I never believed Jones was involved in the crime except as a witness. It is unlikely he would have come forward at all if he was Su Ya's killer. Also, the fact that he told the story that he did, including the unsavory aspects about accepting the $20 bill, suggests to me that that he was probably being truthful. I'm sure the police looked into Jones' background, questioned his friends, relatives, employer, etc. and found no link to Su Ya or the Taiwanese student. The poster seemed fixated on the fact that Jones passed a polygraph and that polygraphs can be unreliable. While passing the polygraph was probably a factor, I doubt it was the sole reason Jones was cleared. Unless more solid evidence is uncovered that suggests Jones was involved, I think the Jones as murderer theories should stop there.

So who killed Su Ya? A few things become apparent...

- She was stabbed 9 times.
- She was nude.
- No evidence of sexual assault.
- Poor disposal method - the killer was witnessed disposing of the body. He was also disorganized enough that he had blood on his clothes while he disposed of the body.

The poor disposal and his appearance (blood on his clothes) suggest inexperience.

The fact that she was stabbed repeatedly and not sexually assaulted suggest he knew her personally, as it was an overkill.

I wonder if this guy was a friend who possibly had a romantic interest in Su Ya that was unrequited - possible he made a "move" and was rebuffed. He got violent.

The only problem I see with that theory is he probably would have been identified by now if he was a close friend. Unless his relationship with Su Ya was insignificant enough that it's existence wasn't known to anyone except Su Ya because she didn't think it worthy of discussion or comment with anyone.

Considering Su Ya and her family moved here from Korea and the guy disposed of the body in Bed-Stuy (suggests he was local and/or familiar with the area) I think his connection with Su Ya was the store. He met or saw her there, and this is where he first set his sights on her.

Orange_Sody_84 · 08-14-2011, 03:29 PM

Anyone know how long she operated the store with her Husband? I was also thinking it could be a customer came to the store regularly. maybe became obssessed with her and started stalking her? she rejected him and he killed her for it.

It might explain why he hasn't been found yet. it certaintly sounds like a crime of passion now that you point that out.

amandab1234 · 08-14-2011, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by justins5256

I can't remember exactly what I wrote on that other thread, but I will say that I've seen the segment probably a hundred times since it first aired and I never believed Jones was involved in the crime except as a witness. It is unlikely he would have come forward at all if he was Su Ya's killer. Also, the fact that he told the story that he did, including the unsavory aspects about accepting the $20 bill, suggests to me that that he was probably being truthful. I'm sure the police looked into Jones' background, questioned his friends, relatives, employer, etc. and found no link to Su Ya or the Taiwanese student. The poster seemed fixated on the fact that Jones passed a polygraph and that polygraphs can be unreliable. While passing the polygraph was probably a factor, I doubt it was the sole reason Jones was cleared. Unless more solid evidence is uncovered that suggests Jones was involved, I think the Jones as murderer theories should stop there.

So who killed Su Ya? A few things become apparent...

- She was stabbed 9 times.
- She was nude.
- No evidence of sexual assault.
- Poor disposal method - the killer was witnessed disposing of the body. He was also disorganized enough that he had blood on his clothes while he disposed of the body.

The poor disposal and his appearance (blood on his clothes) suggest inexperience.

The fact that she was stabbed repeatedly and not sexually assaulted suggest he knew her personally, as it was an overkill.

I wonder if this guy was a friend who possibly had a romantic interest in Su Ya that was unrequited - possible he made a "move" and was rebuffed. He got violent.

The only problem I see with that theory is he probably would have been identified by now if he was a close friend. Unless his relationship with Su Ya was insignificant enough that it's existence wasn't known to anyone except Su Ya because she didn't think it worthy of discussion or comment with anyone.

Considering Su Ya and her family moved here from Korea and the guy disposed of the body in Bed-Stuy (suggests he was local and/or familiar with the area) I think his connection with Su Ya was the store. He met or saw her there, and this is where he first set his sights on her.

Maybe he was someone who would deliver stuff to her store(s)? I remember Stack said a delivery guy or taxi driver would be familiar with that area...

Bettenoir · 08-14-2011, 09:56 PM

I came up with this exact same theory and this is also based on my knowledge having grown up in NYC during this period.

The section of Brooklyn the store was located in, and the section of Brooklyn where the body was found were areas that at that time were not frequented by white people very much.

If this blonde white guy was familiar with that neighborhood during the early 90's he either was there for work, for college, or had drug connections or something else illegal going on.

He probably ended up at Su Ya Kim's store, fixated on her, and the rest is history.

It would have been easy to find out where she lived, maybe follow her home.

If you take Joe Jones at face value I feel like maybe it could be a white college student with a fetish for Asians and he got rejected.

But who knows, could Joe Jones just be a criminal mastermind? You can't really close yourself off to possibilities.

ANd someone mentioned polygraphs, well polygraphs are meaningless, they are based more on faith than any legitimate science.

08-13-2011, 01:12 AM	#1
tiddlywinks950 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 15, 2007 Location: nyc Posts: 111	Let's restart the Su-Ya Kim thread So...after what happened with the old thread, I figured I would restart it. Anybody wanna pick up where we left off? I think we were supporting Joe Jones and his innocence.

08-14-2011, 03:29 PM	#13
Orange_Sody_84 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 05, 2010 Location: Myrtle Beach Posts: 234	Anyone know how long she operated the store with her Husband? I was also thinking it could be a customer came to the store regularly. maybe became obssessed with her and started stalking her? she rejected him and he killed her for it. It might explain why he hasn't been found yet. it certaintly sounds like a crime of passion now that you point that out.
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08-13-2011, 04:30 AM	#2
Apostapler Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 06, 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 872	I believe that is where we left off...talking about how he had passed the lie detector test and accepted money for some shady trash dumping pointed to him being innocent. Also, I think we were talking about his accuracy in giving a license plate, and wondering if anyone really looked into whether the Asian woman that owned the car might have somehow been connected to the killer.

08-13-2011, 05:49 PM	#3
kittehkrueger Member Occasional Poster Join Date: May 27, 2011 Location: NY Posts: 31	Way to be redundant and petty at the same time. Tiddlywinks you are such a moron.

08-13-2011, 08:42 PM	#4
xxxxmattxxxx69 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 12, 2010 Location: MA Posts: 398	I feel Joe Jones didnt have anything to do with the murder. However as an eyewitness I honestly believe he didn't give the right license plate number.

08-13-2011, 08:57 PM	#5
Apostapler Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 06, 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 872	Yeah but what are the chances of him giving a wrong license plate number and it turns out to be the exact type of vehicle he described?

08-14-2011, 01:12 AM	#7
Apostapler Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 06, 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 872	My thoughts are the lady was not telling the truth.

08-14-2011, 06:42 AM	#10
Mysteryphile I wonder what happened to her. Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 02, 2009 Location: England via Iowa Posts: 320	I think if he had anything to do with it he wouldn't have told the cops where the body was. If he would have just stayed quite the garbage men would have came, picked up the dumpster and she would have been gone forever....the chances of her being found being extremely low once she got to the garbage dump. Also I think him admitting to taking the money makes him sounds more truthful...I mean, not a good thing to admit to BUT how many people would take the money? It's not like you'd be thinking they'd be putting anything seriously bad in there... The license plate thing...well it was dark, he got a quick look and to even remember as much as he did was pretty good.

08-14-2011, 09:49 AM	#12
justins5256 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 08, 2002 Posts: 3,866	I can't remember exactly what I wrote on that other thread, but I will say that I've seen the segment probably a hundred times since it first aired and I never believed Jones was involved in the crime except as a witness. It is unlikely he would have come forward at all if he was Su Ya's killer. Also, the fact that he told the story that he did, including the unsavory aspects about accepting the $20 bill, suggests to me that that he was probably being truthful. I'm sure the police looked into Jones' background, questioned his friends, relatives, employer, etc. and found no link to Su Ya or the Taiwanese student. The poster seemed fixated on the fact that Jones passed a polygraph and that polygraphs can be unreliable. While passing the polygraph was probably a factor, I doubt it was the sole reason Jones was cleared. Unless more solid evidence is uncovered that suggests Jones was involved, I think the Jones as murderer theories should stop there. So who killed Su Ya? A few things become apparent... - She was stabbed 9 times. - She was nude. - No evidence of sexual assault. - Poor disposal method - the killer was witnessed disposing of the body. He was also disorganized enough that he had blood on his clothes while he disposed of the body. The poor disposal and his appearance (blood on his clothes) suggest inexperience. The fact that she was stabbed repeatedly and not sexually assaulted suggest he knew her personally, as it was an overkill. I wonder if this guy was a friend who possibly had a romantic interest in Su Ya that was unrequited - possible he made a "move" and was rebuffed. He got violent. The only problem I see with that theory is he probably would have been identified by now if he was a close friend. Unless his relationship with Su Ya was insignificant enough that it's existence wasn't known to anyone except Su Ya because she didn't think it worthy of discussion or comment with anyone. Considering Su Ya and her family moved here from Korea and the guy disposed of the body in Bed-Stuy (suggests he was local and/or familiar with the area) I think his connection with Su Ya was the store. He met or saw her there, and this is where he first set his sights on her.

08-14-2011, 09:56 PM	#15
Bettenoir Member First Time Poster Join Date: Aug 14, 2011 Posts: 1	I came up with this exact same theory and this is also based on my knowledge having grown up in NYC during this period. The section of Brooklyn the store was located in, and the section of Brooklyn where the body was found were areas that at that time were not frequented by white people very much. If this blonde white guy was familiar with that neighborhood during the early 90's he either was there for work, for college, or had drug connections or something else illegal going on. He probably ended up at Su Ya Kim's store, fixated on her, and the rest is history. It would have been easy to find out where she lived, maybe follow her home. If you take Joe Jones at face value I feel like maybe it could be a white college student with a fetish for Asians and he got rejected. But who knows, could Joe Jones just be a criminal mastermind? You can't really close yourself off to possibilities. ANd someone mentioned polygraphs, well polygraphs are meaningless, they are based more on faith than any legitimate science.