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kittehkrueger · 08-11-2011, 09:00 PM

Do you seriously believe that guy Joe Jones?

I do not buy a single word of his story and passing a polygraph should not be enough to clear a suspect, those things aren't always accurate if they are ever accurate.

xxxxmattxxxx69 · 08-11-2011, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kittehkrueger

Do you seriously believe that guy Joe Jones?

I do not buy a single word of his story and passing a polygraph should not be enough to clear a suspect, those things aren't always accurate if they are ever accurate.

I actually do believe him that he didn't have to do with the murder but I think because it was late he misread the license plate on the car. Because the owner of the car did not fit the description of the guy dumping

amandab1234 · 08-11-2011, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kittehkrueger

Do you seriously believe that guy Joe Jones?

I do not buy a single word of his story and passing a polygraph should not be enough to clear a suspect, those things aren't always accurate if they are ever accurate.

I actually consider him one of the most "not guilty" ppl who have appeared on UM. (if that makes any sense lol)

WishfulDreamer · 08-11-2011, 10:35 PM

I don't think he was involved, but I do agree they should have done a little more than a polygraph. Not harrassment, but forensic testing.

McBevis · 08-11-2011, 10:37 PM

I've never had any reason to think he's guilty.

tiddlywinks950 · 08-12-2011, 12:26 AM

I never felt that he was guilty. A lot of people are in the wrong place at the wrong time which causes them to be considered guilty by some. But I felt a strong sense of sympathy for him the first time I saw the segment.

Apostapler · 08-12-2011, 01:17 AM

I always thought he was an innocent witness. In addition to passing a lie detector test and trying to assist the police, he admitted that he accepted money to allow the killer to dump what he thought was trash illegally. That's not exactly something to be proud of. He seemed to be honest and humble about his actions.

Mysteryphile · 08-12-2011, 02:43 AM

I don't think he's guilty either...I mean if he were, why even tell the cops she was in there? If he hadn't she would have been picked up by the trash men and dumped into one of those huge dumps and who knows if she would have ever been found.

I think he was actually pretty brave for going to the police especially as he knows 1. the guy knows he saw him 2. the guy is capable of murder 3. The guy knows where he works.

Apostapler · 08-12-2011, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mysteryphile

I don't think he's guilty either...I mean if he were, why even tell the cops she was in there? If he hadn't she would have been picked up by the trash men and dumped into one of those huge dumps and who knows if she would have ever been found.

I think he was actually pretty brave for going to the police especially as he knows 1. the guy knows he saw him 2. the guy is capable of murder 3. The guy knows where he works.

No joke! I would have been interviewed with my voice changed and in profile shadow.

Hambone2421 · 08-12-2011, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Apostapler

I always thought he was an innocent witness. In addition to passing a lie detector test and trying to assist the police, he admitted that he accepted money to allow the killer to dump what he thought was trash illegally. That's not exactly something to be proud of. He seemed to be honest and humble about his actions.

I agree with this statement. If he was guilty or had a part in the murder, then why would he admit to accepting money to dump illegal trash there? It doesn't make any sense.

TheCars1986 · 08-12-2011, 09:33 AM

Joe Jones cannot be lying. How in the world could he make up a make and description of a car, and a license plate number, and the number is traced back to the same exact car he described?! IMHO, Jones got the license plate number and the car right, and I think LE should have checked into the owner of the vehicle more. She probably knew the killer.

kittehkrueger · 08-12-2011, 10:00 AM

All I'm saying is that you can't clear people on polygraphs, that is just bad police work.

Regardless of whether or not you believe in polygraph testing (and yes it is a belief system because it does not follow any of the prerequisites to be considered a valid science) it is not a good substitute for a real investigation.

I just don't find him credible.

justins5256 · 08-12-2011, 10:22 AM

Assuming Joe Jones killed Su Ya Kim, why would he insert himself into the investigation? Wouldn't he want to be "off the radar" so to speak?

The story he told was plausible enough, IMO.

kittehkrueger · 08-12-2011, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by justins5256

Assuming Joe Jones killed Su Ya Kim, why would he insert himself into the investigation? Wouldn't he want to be "off the radar" so to speak?

The story he told was plausible enough, IMO.

Killers insert themselves into investigations all the time! It's a way of throwing off suspicion and finding out how much the cops know. You kill two birds with one stone.

It has happened so many times in the past.

Joe Jones has not been proven innocent. All that he has in his favor is a polygraph test, that is my issue.

What was to keep him from describing some random car he saw? The very fact that car belonged to another asian female only makes him seem more shady. Maybe he was stalking that girl.

tiddlywinks950 · 08-12-2011, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kittehkrueger

Killers insert themselves into investigations all the time! It's a way of throwing off suspicion and finding out how much the cops know. You kill two birds with one stone.

It has happened so many times in the past.

Joe Jones has not been proven innocent. All that he has in his favor is a polygraph test, that is my issue.

What was to keep him from describing some random car he saw? The very fact that car belonged to another asian female only makes him seem more shady. Maybe he was stalking that girl.

What are the chances of someone describing a license plate number, coming up with a random car, and then having the car and plate be an exact match? I find it very slim. Assuming Joe Jones was a serious suspect (which he was considered a suspect) don't you think they would have searched his home for evidence related to the crime? And if they did, I'm sure they would have found something connecting him to the Taiwanese student if he were stalking her. People who stalk or have obsessions about other people usually have mementos of their victim.

The way the segment sounded, Joe Jones wasn't "throwing" himself into the investigation. The police were searching for a witness and he came forward. That's not exactly throwing oneself in.

Yeah, Joe Jones hasn't been proven innocent. He also wasn't proven guilty. But, he's apparently innocent in the court of public opinion, which is what we give on this forum.

08-11-2011, 09:00 PM	#1
kittehkrueger Member Occasional Poster Join Date: May 27, 2011 Location: NY Posts: 31	Su-Ya Kim and Joe Jones Do you seriously believe that guy Joe Jones? I do not buy a single word of his story and passing a polygraph should not be enough to clear a suspect, those things aren't always accurate if they are ever accurate.

08-11-2011, 10:35 PM	#4
WishfulDreamer Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 01, 2009 Location: L.A. Posts: 3,868	I don't think he was involved, but I do agree they should have done a little more than a polygraph. Not harrassment, but forensic testing.

08-11-2011, 10:37 PM	#5
McBevis Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 09, 2010 Location: Barrington, New Jersey Posts: 415	I've never had any reason to think he's guilty.

08-12-2011, 12:26 AM	#6
tiddlywinks950 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 15, 2007 Location: nyc Posts: 111	I never felt that he was guilty. A lot of people are in the wrong place at the wrong time which causes them to be considered guilty by some. But I felt a strong sense of sympathy for him the first time I saw the segment.

08-12-2011, 01:17 AM	#7
Apostapler Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 06, 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 872	I always thought he was an innocent witness. In addition to passing a lie detector test and trying to assist the police, he admitted that he accepted money to allow the killer to dump what he thought was trash illegally. That's not exactly something to be proud of. He seemed to be honest and humble about his actions.

08-12-2011, 02:43 AM	#8
Mysteryphile I wonder what happened to her. Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 02, 2009 Location: England via Iowa Posts: 320	I don't think he's guilty either...I mean if he were, why even tell the cops she was in there? If he hadn't she would have been picked up by the trash men and dumped into one of those huge dumps and who knows if she would have ever been found. I think he was actually pretty brave for going to the police especially as he knows 1. the guy knows he saw him 2. the guy is capable of murder 3. The guy knows where he works.

08-12-2011, 09:33 AM	#11
TheCars1986 #VLSKMS Forum Fanatic Join Date: Nov 22, 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 8,606	Joe Jones cannot be lying. How in the world could he make up a make and description of a car, and a license plate number, and the number is traced back to the same exact car he described?! IMHO, Jones got the license plate number and the car right, and I think LE should have checked into the owner of the vehicle more. She probably knew the killer.

08-12-2011, 10:00 AM	#12
kittehkrueger Member Occasional Poster Join Date: May 27, 2011 Location: NY Posts: 31	All I'm saying is that you can't clear people on polygraphs, that is just bad police work. Regardless of whether or not you believe in polygraph testing (and yes it is a belief system because it does not follow any of the prerequisites to be considered a valid science) it is not a good substitute for a real investigation. I just don't find him credible.

08-12-2011, 10:22 AM	#13
justins5256 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 08, 2002 Posts: 3,866	Assuming Joe Jones killed Su Ya Kim, why would he insert himself into the investigation? Wouldn't he want to be "off the radar" so to speak? The story he told was plausible enough, IMO.