What happened to Frederick Valentich?

[XCalibur]

Just to refresh everyone's memory, he was the young Australian pilot who dissapeared while on a flight. Before his dissapearance there was a UFO seen near his plane, and he confirmed it on the radio. His last words were "its hovering and its not an aircraft", then nothing. His plane was never found.

Now, whether or not you believe in UFOs, this sighting is unique because it involves a tangible real person vanishing. Its not your typical story from a witness who sees one then they tell their story, and go on with their life. In cases like that there will always be he said she said scenarios.

But this is one you can't just dismiss, because someone dissapeared, and not only that other people saw the object, and one was even photographed......

This case has always intrigued me, I'm not sure if there has ever been a missing persons case that happened under such extraordinary circumstances, and given the unique nature of it I'm surprised it isn't more high profile than it is.

Was Valentich's plane overtaken by some sort of natural phenomenon? Some sort of man made military craft? Or an extraterrestrial craft?

Extremely bizarre case any thoughts anyone?

[zack007attack]

Originally Posted by XCalibur

Just to refresh everyone's memory, he was the young Australian pilot who dissapeared while on a flight. Before his dissapearance there was a UFO seen near his plane, and he confirmed it on the radio. His last words were "its hovering and its not an aircraft", then nothing. His plane was never found.

Now, whether or not you believe in UFOs, this sighting is unique because it involves a tangible real person vanishing. Its not your typical story from a witness who sees one then they tell their story, and go on with their life. In cases like that there will always be he said she said scenarios.

But this is one you can't just dismiss, because someone dissapeared, and not only that other people saw the object, and one was even photographed......

This case has always intrigued me, I'm not sure if there has ever been a missing persons case that happened under such extraordinary circumstances, and given the unique nature of it I'm surprised it isn't more high profile than it is.

Was Valentich's plane overtaken by some sort of natural phenomenon? Some sort of man made military craft? Or an extraterrestrial craft?

Extremely bizarre case any thoughts anyone?

I believe Frederick Valentich lies in a watery grave at the bottom of the Bass Strait.

I don't believe it was caused by some natural phenomenon. From what the witnessess that supposedly saw his aircraft being circled by a small green light. Plus, it appeared to head down at a downward angle, but didn't disappear into the horizon, so it is fair to say that if the craft was doing something to him, it was taking the plane down, not up. That indicates he went down into the sea, possibly died as a result of the impact, whether it was instant or not.

From the descriptions, I believe it to be either extra terrestrial, or military.

I did some research on the Royal Australian Air Force. Although they hardly have much similarity to the mission and capabilities of the US Air Force, I believe that all militaries in the world have some degree of secret weapons (such as weapons of air power) that they like to keep secret and under wraps. There are a few different RAAF airfields around Tasmania and Victoria which could hold such a secret aircraft. However, there is no real indication that the green light was a military aircraft.

If it were from outside our world, I think it was simply analyzing Frederick, then either intentionally or accidentally crippled his plane, causing him to go down.

[crystaldawn]

One of the more interesting UM UFO type segments imo. You guys might find this interesting although not sure if its credible. Someone claims to have come across some writings in a tube from Frederick 5 years after he went missing where he details being abducted by aliens. Here's the website where the message is printed:

http://ufoexperiences.blogspot.com/2...ch-update.html

Could possibly be a hoax but here is what the writings from Frederick supposedly said:

“I am Frederick Valentich, Junior, pilot. I was captured together with my plane Cessna-182 by a UFO on October 21 1978 145 miles south of Melbourne. Because of very limited time and of extreme danger to my state, here is what is most important.

What was proposed to me was beyond my imagination. Later I came to the conclusion that several factors influenced my psyche, at first, the reality of the UFOs and their pilots, and secondly, their proposal for me to become the pilot of one of their aircraft (!).

Here is proof of contact with another civilization and the man who achieved this is I, Frederick Valentich. That was what I thought. But the most tempting was their fantastic proposal for me to stay in my same physical body, so I have not aged over my current 25 years of age (my age when I signed such a “contract” with the aliens). This proposal “eclipsed everything” even those few purely human affections I’ve had. At the moment of the deal I remembered only that my mother had died, I am single with no children. I didn’t even remember my aunt and two of my ex girlfriends I have been close with, this is additional evidence of a strong psychological influence put upon me.

The giant UFO I have to work in is a “cargo ship”. The crew, except those humans which were captured just like me, are 2-3 aliens. All belong to a civilization located in the Pleiades constellation and represent an interplanetary organization with 6 civilizations from Orion, Swan and the Big Dog constellation; our Solar system is also part of it.

Like us they’re also albumen organic entities, breathing oxygen and of similar body build.

Answering such questions like, what are they doing here, they stated on numerous occasions that they were engaged in research work. But according to my own observations that is only a mere screen covering their “real” activities and to calm the conscience of other earthlings who signed such compelling contacts like mine.

Our basic load from Earth---is liquid oxygen obtained from plants installed onboard the ship. These “researchers” impudently steal the most valuable part of Earthly atmosphere. And idiots like me are actively helping them in this. The main route of our craft—Earth and Jupiter’s satellite Callisto where a huge constantly operating base is located.

Oxygen is loaded into balloons made of plastic-metal. Volume can be estimated in weight---the large balloon weighs no less than 110 pounds, the smaller ones—2 times less than that. The maximum quantity of balloons that our ship has taken for one flight to Callisto is more than 12,000 large and 5k small balloons. Imagine how much oxygen they take from Earth! We make 2 flights per week sometimes. God help me and those who find this letter! Russian or Chinese---I ask to give this capsule to the Australian embassy and to the representatives of our embassy, give it to scientists for further study.

[zack007attack]

Originally Posted by crystaldawn

One of the more interesting UM UFO type segments imo. You guys might find this interesting although not sure if its credible. Someone claims to have come across some writings in a tube from Frederick 5 years after he went missing where he details being abducted by aliens. Here's the website where the message is printed:

http://ufoexperiences.blogspot.com/2...ch-update.html

Could possibly be a hoax but here is what the writings from Frederick supposedly said:

“I am Frederick Valentich, Junior, pilot. I was captured together with my plane Cessna-182 by a UFO on October 21 1978 145 miles south of Melbourne. Because of very limited time and of extreme danger to my state, here is what is most important.

What was proposed to me was beyond my imagination. Later I came to the conclusion that several factors influenced my psyche, at first, the reality of the UFOs and their pilots, and secondly, their proposal for me to become the pilot of one of their aircraft (!).

Here is proof of contact with another civilization and the man who achieved this is I, Frederick Valentich. That was what I thought. But the most tempting was their fantastic proposal for me to stay in my same physical body, so I have not aged over my current 25 years of age (my age when I signed such a “contract” with the aliens). This proposal “eclipsed everything” even those few purely human affections I’ve had. At the moment of the deal I remembered only that my mother had died, I am single with no children. I didn’t even remember my aunt and two of my ex girlfriends I have been close with, this is additional evidence of a strong psychological influence put upon me.

The giant UFO I have to work in is a “cargo ship”. The crew, except those humans which were captured just like me, are 2-3 aliens. All belong to a civilization located in the Pleiades constellation and represent an interplanetary organization with 6 civilizations from Orion, Swan and the Big Dog constellation; our Solar system is also part of it.

Like us they’re also albumen organic entities, breathing oxygen and of similar body build.

Answering such questions like, what are they doing here, they stated on numerous occasions that they were engaged in research work. But according to my own observations that is only a mere screen covering their “real” activities and to calm the conscience of other earthlings who signed such compelling contacts like mine.

Our basic load from Earth---is liquid oxygen obtained from plants installed onboard the ship. These “researchers” impudently steal the most valuable part of Earthly atmosphere. And idiots like me are actively helping them in this. The main route of our craft—Earth and Jupiter’s satellite Callisto where a huge constantly operating base is located.

Oxygen is loaded into balloons made of plastic-metal. Volume can be estimated in weight---the large balloon weighs no less than 110 pounds, the smaller ones—2 times less than that. The maximum quantity of balloons that our ship has taken for one flight to Callisto is more than 12,000 large and 5k small balloons. Imagine how much oxygen they take from Earth! We make 2 flights per week sometimes. God help me and those who find this letter! Russian or Chinese---I ask to give this capsule to the Australian embassy and to the representatives of our embassy, give it to scientists for further study.

I can almost laugh at this $%t. It's an insult to Frederick's memory.

[XCalibur]

Originally Posted by zack007attack

I can almost laugh at this $%t. It's an insult to Frederick's memory.

I agree its very far fetched, highly likely its nothing more than a hoax by someone with a lot more imagination and time on their hands than sensitivity.

But you have to remember, the circumstances under which Frederick dissapeared are pretty extraordinary as well. So its hard to rule anything completely out.

Still I'd say 99-1 its a hoax. It makes little sense, why would Aliens need humans to pilot their crafts to help them smuggle oxygen?

And if Frederick sent this back to Earth in some sort of tube, then the tube itself should be evidence if it came from an Alien craft. Why didn't the writer provide this?

Not only that, but his use of constellations as star locations for the Aliens is highly suspicous. Constellations are nothing more than a way of mapping stars as they are seen from earth, they are not absoloute locations of stars or exact groupings of stars based on how close they are to one another like Galaxies or clusters. That he used them to tell the location of the aliens sounds more like a location description from an Amateur astronomer on Earth than it does someone with a star traveler's knowledge of the nearby galaxy.

[RobinW]

That was a cool find, Crystaldawn. I believe in another thread here relating to this, I saw people saying they heard rumours that Valentich survived and became a UFO aircraft pilot and I wondered how the hell anyone could even FIND OUT that information! I guess those writings in the tube explain where the rumour originated from. Of course, I don't put much stock into them and think that whoever wrote them was probably inspired by "Close Encounters in the Third Kind", where WWII pilots are kidnapped by UFOs and returned 30 years later without having aged.

That said, this is definitely one of the two or three most convincing UFO stories out there, which even makes skeptics do a double-take. What's ironic is that Valentich's disappearance has one of the most believable and rational explanations. You can easily write this off as a simple case of him crashing into the ocean and never being found, but his last mysterious radio transmission and the UFO sightings in the area are just such compelling evidence for something more otherworldly.

Of course, I have a major soft spot for this story since October 21, 1978 is my birthdate. It seems only appropriate that the most famous event that occurred in the world on the day I was a born would be an unsolved mystery .

[mozartpc27]

Originally Posted by crystaldawn

Could possibly be a hoax

Possibly?

[TheCars1986]

That post is definitely a hoax. It makes a mention of Valentich never aging past 25 years of age, but he was only twenty when he disappeared. It also makes no mention of his father, whom I'm assume was close with him since he was interviewed on UM.

As to what happened to him? I think the most logical explanation would be Valentich's aircraft began to malfunction, he began to panic and started suffering some sort of break down. He began to see an "aircraft" that wasn't really there, and eventually crashed into the ocean. It's interesting that these witnesses who saw the green light hovering over Valentich's aircraft did not come forward until after his disappearance was public. There's also the possibility that this could have been a very elaborate suicide, although this seems unlikely. However, if you read the transcript of Valentich's last message, the dispatch (Steve Robey who was on UM) repeatedly asks Valentich to describe the aircraft and he never really does in full detail. At one point he says, "It's not an aircraft it is..." and then there's silence. He never really directly responds to Robey's questions. He simply could have been in a panic (as any rational human being would be in Valentich's situation), or he could have been making the whole episode up which is why he never adequately described the aircraft. I still don't believe it was suicide, but I don't think it was anything extraterrestrial either.

[zack007attack]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

That post is definitely a hoax. It makes a mention of Valentich never aging past 25 years of age, but he was only twenty when he disappeared. It also makes no mention of his father, whom I'm assume was close with him since he was interviewed on UM.

As to what happened to him? I think the most logical explanation would be Valentich's aircraft began to malfunction, he began to panic and started suffering some sort of break down. He began to see an "aircraft" that wasn't really there, and eventually crashed into the ocean. It's interesting that these witnesses who saw the green light hovering over Valentich's aircraft did not come forward until after his disappearance was public. There's also the possibility that this could have been a very elaborate suicide, although this seems unlikely. However, if you read the transcript of Valentich's last message, the dispatch (Steve Robey who was on UM) repeatedly asks Valentich to describe the aircraft and he never really does in full detail. At one point he says, "It's not an aircraft it is..." and then there's silence. He never really directly responds to Robey's questions. He simply could have been in a panic (as any rational human being would be in Valentich's situation), or he could have been making the whole episode up which is why he never adequately described the aircraft. I still don't believe it was suicide, but I don't think it was anything extraterrestrial either.

Obviously, the witnesses didn't come forward because they didn't think there was anything remarkably strange about that green light until they learned it was probably involved in someone's disappearance.

Frederick was in panic because something strange was surrounding him and he couldn't tell exactly what it was. He was only able to tell that it certainly wasn't an airplane, chopper, or any other kind of aircraft he was familiar with. He never directly responded to the questions over his radio because he was struggling to make sense of his whole ordeal.

[cordwainer1453]

It's also highly doubtful that if you were in an alien space ship, you'd refer to it as a "UFO"

[XCalibur]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

That post is definitely a hoax. It makes a mention of Valentich never aging past 25 years of age, but he was only twenty when he disappeared. It also makes no mention of his father, whom I'm assume was close with him since he was interviewed on UM.

As to what happened to him? I think the most logical explanation would be Valentich's aircraft began to malfunction, he began to panic and started suffering some sort of break down. He began to see an "aircraft" that wasn't really there, and eventually crashed into the ocean. It's interesting that these witnesses who saw the green light hovering over Valentich's aircraft did not come forward until after his disappearance was public. There's also the possibility that this could have been a very elaborate suicide, although this seems unlikely. However, if you read the transcript of Valentich's last message, the dispatch (Steve Robey who was on UM) repeatedly asks Valentich to describe the aircraft and he never really does in full detail. At one point he says, "It's not an aircraft it is..." and then there's silence. He never really directly responds to Robey's questions. He simply could have been in a panic (as any rational human being would be in Valentich's situation), or he could have been making the whole episode up which is why he never adequately described the aircraft. I still don't believe it was suicide, but I don't think it was anything extraterrestrial either.

I don't think you can really even begin to consider suicide with no body and no plane.

And if the UFO sightings by people on the ground were hoaxes, then how do you explain that photograph?

Like I said I really have no idea what happened to Frederick, but this is definitely one of those cases you have to think outside the box. I'm not ready to say it wa san extraterrestrial abduction, but still its hard to rule anything.

I can't imagine an apparently level headed young pilot having hallucinations because his craft was malfunctioning, just no evidence for it.

[crystaldawn]

Does anyone think Valentich may have crashed but somehow survived and maybe was out of his head when he wrote that? Probably farfetched but another theory to throw out there.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by crystaldawn

Does anyone think Valentich may have crashed but somehow survived and maybe was out of his head when he wrote that? Probably farfetched but another theory to throw out there.

Another theory is that he staged his disappearance to start a new life. There were even reports of an unidentified plane landing not far from where Valentich claimed to be, shortly after his last transmission.

Originally Posted by XCalibur

I don't think you can really even begin to consider suicide with no body and no plane.

And if the UFO sightings by people on the ground were hoaxes, then how do you explain that photograph?

Anything's possible in this case, regardless if there's no plane or no body. And even if they did find the plane at the bottom of the sea (and possibly Valentich's remains) they still could never rule out suicide, since he could have simply nosedived into the sea to kill himself. As to the UFO sightings, what photograph are you referring to?

[cordwainer1453]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

As to the UFO sightings, what photograph are you referring to?

There was a picture some guy randomly took that some claimed had a shot of the alien spacecraft on it. But even the UM segment acknowledged that the spot in the picture was most likely a development error.

[Corkys-Place]

The Blonde Haired Girl in the Re-enactment is Lisa McCune who has gone on to become a pretty famous Actress and Host of shows like "Forensic Investigators" here in Australia.